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psydubient
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 17:39
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I see I see!You love this conversation guys!
You want from me to tell more things!
Ok every time I’ll have time I’ll write something to wake you up sleepy loosers.
Yes you should not be angry,you really don’t have any interesting things to do so you want to answer my topics with ironic comments.
Ok I help you with this!But I must find time!
All my love to you guys,I am also having fun.
About the drugs again I’ll say I don’t take any of them.
Only natural psychoactives.
And for sure I don’t give my money or anything else to any dealer to buy drugs as you do my sweet!
And finally yes I do a lot of good house keeping because I live alone and not with my parents as you my sweet little 14-year old e-tard.
So from now on start shooting!
Hope will have a great time!
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 17:47
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On 2005-01-18 15:06, psydubient wrote:
14-year old e-tard mate I won’t answer your post.
But I’ll tell you that from the post that I made I met some very interesting persons to have conversations in which you would maybe unable to participate.
Don't mean any disrespect to you mate.(from your words)
And please tell me my friend which are your favourites artists?
Or you are changing every month music tastes as your boyfriends?
Don't mean any disrespect to you mate.
Anyway if you can’t understand why I wrote the last post sorry man but I won’t tell you.You should search it by yourself.
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You missed my point completely mate. Again, I am not trying to make a fool out of you neither am I interested in doing so. You started posting from a high horse and as soon as someone pointed out that you did so, you started getting all defensive, saying that you will not answer to me or anyone else you did not find suit and started acting like a primadona that just got her arse pinched.
All I am saying is, don't turn up the heat if you can't take it your self.
You did come across as another typically narrow minded, self righteous and "spiritually correct" hippy/trancer that had one drop too many during a slamming morning set.
But then you admitted you were coming across as one and apologised. That says something good about your self, so good on you for doing so, chill out!
I've been going to parties for 12 years (don't let the username fool you, not everyone is really what they appear to be on the internet  ) and have met loads of people like that and last time I checked there was a new generation of "oh-so wise", self righteous trancers with absolute views about life and the way people should taste it, even tho they were only 16!
I am not dissing the new generation, God knows they can enjoy them selves on today's trance dancefloors 100x more than I do, so who am I to tell them that they're not really tasting true psychedelia until they understand that Juan Atkins is the godfather of psy-trance?
Dunno if it makes any difference to you, but to answer your question, my favourite psy-trance artists are Kox-Box, Tristan, X-Dream, MWNN, Man Made Man, Slinky Wizard, Ayahuasca, Cydonia, Total Eclipse, Transwave, Bubling Loons, Bus, Etnica, Eat Static, Dado, Serge, GBU, Shakta, Spirallianz, Midimilliz, The Delta, Hallucinogen, Planet Ben, Joti, Steve Ronan, Biscaya, Son Kite, Ticon, SBK...you get the idea.
Let me know about my psychedelic evaluation and "psy-trancer status" when you process this data.
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 18:02
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On 2005-01-18 17:39, psydubient wrote:
Ok every time I’ll have time I’ll write something to wake you up sleepy loosers.
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You were doing fine up till a few minutes ago....and then you started talking like a Jehova's witness...
Climb down from your high horse and talk to people on the same level if you want them to take you seriously...otherwise people will take the piss out of you...and rightfully so.
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On 2005-01-18 17:39, psydubient wrote:
And finally yes I do a lot of good house keeping because I live alone and not with my parents as you my sweet little 14-year old e-tard.
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Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, yet you missed it.
Read again and try to pick it up.
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psydubient
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 18:30
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Dear 14-year old e-tard,
Why I should recycle what I said?!
If you find most of what I said stupid just answer my serious question.
Is it or not unfair and bad for us to hearing every weekend the same artists when there are others that make much more inspired music?
And why don’t you agree that the promoters and organizers decide which artist they’ll bring?
And how they decide?
By which artist brings the more crowd at the dancefloor!
What the most people hearing in Greece?
Full on and progressive.
So who will bring?
Skazi,skazi,skazi.gms etc and some progressive artists not the best.
So am I wrong?
I don’t think so.And also I don’t think that what I’m hearing are old.
All the artists and labels that I mention released great albums in 2004.
Please answer to this and not to my hysteric post as you think for my first.
Finally do you have problem with women and smaller people?
Because this I can see from your posts…
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 21:11
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CRX(HSS Records)
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 23:36
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in my opinion,you should go to a full on event to see what is happening in there.then go to a progressive event to also check out what's happening in there.then go to your local record shop and buy some compilations 4 a start . then go to your home and listen to them and then connect to the internet ,sign in to forum.ISRATRANCE.com,get to the topic,read it from the start-I hope to remember what I wrote to you 2 days ago and they were deleted because I was offensive and stuff-,c how many times u have changed your opinions in order to be popular and pollitically correct and how many megatons of crap you have released in the atmosphere and apologise for everything.
with respect,
CRX
ps.the only person that mentioned that is a psychoactive substances consumer and goes to parties in this topic is you...
since they are messing with your mind , why are you taking them?(this is greeklish 2,call the moderator to delete the post:))
you maybe assume that you listen to psychedelic but psychedelic does not listen to you.
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Sepal
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Posted : Jan 19, 2005 09:47
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dear psydubient just show your call to me..psychedelic thing is far from words , far from any critic you can put in any topic.
psychedelic and trance are a state of mind and even drugs cannot make psychedelic what was supposed to be.psychedelic sound can be found anywhere , and it depends on the mood of the specific person.psychedelic is not a style of music.Remember that "goa" trance started back then in the India land with music from acid to early tekno.This is the truth and nobody can change it.The roots are important and when back then peter z [CEIBA/KODE IV] with Goa Gill , Ray Castle and others played in goa that nu sound [for that years]the people dance , when SFX aka Astral Projection or Har El played the early ebmish electro sound before even they release an album the did not even knew what will happen!That melody ...oh!That melody changed our lives.
The psychedelic trance scene regarding releases and label thing in my opinion has awaken up again the last 2 years.And i do not mean the new projects or the new music.
Many of you can say that they do that for profit only but the re releasing thing with indoor , retrodelica 2 [masaray e.t.c.inside..], orion e.t.c.and many old releases that will be on the record selves again is something IMPORTANT.not only for us all to see the evolution through years but to re support our scene and artists to re inspire from melody and quality synthesis again.The truth is that a good psy trance release now days can sell up to 2000-3000 copies worldwide with big advertising support , interviews e.t.c....how you believe a label can survive??i tell you 5-6 releases with loss of money and then end.The most psychedelic thing that happens here in this forum is that we all talk and we do not do nothing for years now!
The scene is Greece is what we all make it!!!
There was never a community thing,and for me community is not a gathering to smoke some joint but to make something for the people that years now do not talk , do not go to parties , for those who escape the drug hell and need to re enter that holy thing of a "lost" party just to believe in themselves again and see they can be in trance without psycho active substitutes!!!
There is no old and new regarding the oldest of us that were there those goa days .This is not Fucking Army .This is music !!!
There is no point at all to fight for nothing in this forum and outside .There is no point to take a pill and do not understand even a sound or a specific moment of a party!Psychedelic trance is a weird thing to deal with...90% believe that to understand or to be part of this music by being a musician you have to smoke , drink or whatever...psychedelic rock music and avant garde came out of the need of the human to escape the every day reality.Being eccentric or a hippy did not mean to be a drug addict but a thinker !Untill woodstock ...where authorities started to control the mind of the new generation and the next to come and that experiment follow us all untill now. Theories of a crazy mind you may say and possibly you are right ...but the greatest gift God gave to human beings is music[in my opinion] and the need of a human to reach the highest state of consiousness can make a party look like a fairytale myth , no matter music .Ofcourse pysdubient i do not like skazi , gms [of last years] and i am sure you all know it BUT Psy trance for me as i said is not a style [specific] but a state of mind and a set of ornament , this morn omina , zodiac youth , amon tobin , klinik , snog , man with no name , kris kylven can bring me to that thing...There is a possibility that a set with skazi , gms , seroxat , grapes of wrath do the same .But it has to do with ME and the specific person , each one of us and that specific day,moments of the party...there is no old trance heads and new ones we are the same in that.No matter clothes , financial situation...we have to support good efforts and judge those who are into it for their EGO and for the PROFIT only!!!
maybe somethings here are out of topic but thats how i felt and i post them.
psychedelic trance thing is out of the normal.It is the eccentricity of a human and the discovering of a state for each one of us that leads to a personal joy.We are in need for this kind of thing as humans ... liberate ourselves and forget the difficulties of today.I have seen my self feeling that back then , last week , today and next week[possibly].
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Jan 19, 2005 12:45
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On 2005-01-18 18:30, psydubient wrote:
Dear 14-year old e-tard,
Why I should recycle what I said?!
If you find most of what I said stupid just answer my serious question.
Is it or not unfair and bad for us to hearing every weekend the same artists when there are others that make much more inspired music?
And why don’t you agree that the promoters and organizers decide which artist they’ll bring?
And how they decide?
By which artist brings the more crowd at the dancefloor!
What the most people hearing in Greece?
Full on and progressive.
So who will bring?
Skazi,skazi,skazi.gms etc and some progressive artists not the best.
So am I wrong?
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You have just answered your self psydubient. From your point of view, you are not wrong at all when you say that Skazi and GMS are not the best, I am with you on that one.
But you are wrong to blame the organisers and promoters. Party organisers simply wanna put on succefull parties and if they do that by bringing Skazi (personally I do not like his music at all) to Greece every weekend, then the promoters will do just that. Why do you think the promoters book Skazi and GMS everytime? Because every one goes to see them. You see mate, it comes down to each individual, you, me, everyone. If everyone in Greece wanted something more than Skazi and GMS, they simply would not go to the same parties over and over again, forcing the organisers to change their stance on booking the same artists almost every weekend. We are the root of the problem, not the party organisers. They simply book the artists that the majority of people (like you correctly pointed out) want to see play out.
If you do not like the situation in Greece, start putting up your own parties and book the artists you love, start making your own music if you do not like the music today, do somehing about it!
Don't forget that Greece is not the whole world, get some cash together and go to parties abroad that do book your favourite artists. There's a big variety of psy-trance artists getting booked over here in the UK (for example) and the flight tickets are very cheap.
There are some fantastic non psy-trance parties over here as well and you never know...just like a few people left Greece in the late 80's/early 90's to discover a new electronic and psychedelic sound that defined and changed their lives for good, maybe you will find something new that will change yours for good too.
At the end of the day, if you are so fed up with the situation in Greece, cash in your chips and get out of there while there's still time.
Start a new life in a new city where Skazi is not the mayor lol!
As you can see, there are so many things you can do to change things, but complaining on isratrance, or any internet message board about the situation in Greece, is not one of them.
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On 2005-01-18 18:30, psydubient wrote:
And also I don’t think that what I’m hearing are old.
All the artists and labels that I mention released great albums in 2004.
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Again, according to your taste they did, but not everyone thinks that.
Although I appreciate Infected Mushroom as artists, I do not like their music at all. Same with Ozric Tentacles, Ubar and Rip Van Hippy.
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On 2005-01-18 18:30, psydubient wrote:
Finally do you have problem with women and smaller people?
Because this I can see from your posts…
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Lol!
Don't know how you saw that from my posts.
I have a woman that I am very much in love with and do not have a problem with smaller people at all. I used to be small when I was a kid once and you know the saying "expensive perfumes come in small packages" and all that jazz, so there you go.
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psydubient
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Posted : Jan 19, 2005 13:12
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First of all to answer to you CRX.
I am not consuming psychoactives.I taste psychoactives in very special occasions.Really I can’t and I don’t want to tell you why or when.
Also I don’t go to parties to consum psychoactives.(Also I don’t go to parties.)
I don’t need psychoactives to dance!!
SO DON’T OFFEND ME LIKE THAT IN A FORUM!
I just support the free will for anyone to make decisions.
And that’s the reason that I changed my opinion so many times.
I thought that who am I to tell them what to hear,let them decide.
But I have a problem.I can’t decide.Why?
Because I don’t have choices!I don’t have the opportunity to see just one of my favorite artists on stage!
That’s the difference!
You are stuck in a kind of music so I don’t have the opportunity to hear what I like.
I have done it a lot,to go to full on and progressive parties but I don’t like them!
You people you never had the opportunity to attend at an event of the artists that I mentioned(And so do I) so you don’t know for what I am speaking about.
If they come then we can discuss with facts what is psychedelic and what it isn’t.
But to happen something like this you should want it and as I can see nobody answered to my topic positive that would be good to give the chance to these people to come.
Sepal thank you for your answer.
To tell you the truth I find it a bit cool(with the bad meaning of the word).
What I mean?
That I would like from you to tell something more about the scene in Greece.
How do you find the parties,the people and the music that is listened mostly?
I would like from you to become more specific.
Do you think that all the artists from abroad have equal chances to come to Greece?
And if not why this happens?
Anyway maybe I became very aggravating but I think that it isn’t bad. ;-)
Finally 14-year old e-tard you spoke right!
But this is the easy solution.
Yes I can solve my problem by going abroad!(maybe in Japan or Australia lol ;-))
I know that!
But I said it already that Greece has such beautiful places with so much energy that I want so much to hear great artists there!
Also why should we always think about ourselves?
Finally I believe in conversation.
I am sure that are some people who didn’t know the artists that I mentioned.Hope they’ll search about them.Not only about their music but their bios and will understand about what I am talking about.
Peace
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psy-vibe
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first of all i have to say that this is one of the best threads...so many opinions and arguments...and i say argument without mean a quarell...
i dont think that we can't define the word "Psychedelic" because nobody really knows what a psychedelic expirience is...and for me that's many things which come close to the feeling that ppl have when the are in front of a situation that is new and outside the typical explanation they have for this world...when a baby is born and comes out to the light and breaths oxygen it has the first psychedelic experience because until the time of birth it was in a totaly different situation...if you take a native amazon tribe-man or an aboriginal from australia and place him in New York during the rush hour,wouldn't he have a psychedelic experience?...or yet if you use psychoactives you will have a psychedelic experience too...so for me psychedelic is an altered state of mind and conciousness outside the typical rules and knowledge that i have for this world...when i understand the true meaning of myself and everything around me,which i am part of that everything the same time,then i will have my last psychedelic experience...but now i am far far away from that coz i guess i am just another fool...
as for others i dont mind in what way they have their experiences and understanding of things and i dont judge them because i dont know what is right and what is wrong...Skazi and Gms might be good or might be not,Progressive music in any form might be nice or not,drugs may hurm you ot may not...in any case all these excists and are part of everything around us...and i thing that is good that tere are bad things because i learn how to regognise them,i learn myself...
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Jan 19, 2005 14:18
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On 2005-01-19 13:12, psydubient wrote:
But this is the easy solution.
Yes I can solve my problem by going abroad!(maybe in Japan or Australia lol ;-))
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Sometimes the easy solution is the best one. If you can solve your problems easily, why did you even bother with this thread in the first place?
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But I said it already that Greece has such beautiful places with so much energy that I want so much to hear great artists there! |
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What we want and what we get in life are two entirely different things. If you wanna party at those full of energy places in Greece, Quote:
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Be active and organise your dream party. Don't be passive and complain on the web.
Besides there are a lot of beautifull and full of energy places in the world were parties do take place. Goa season is around the corner, it's summertime in Australia and Brazil right now and if you don't want to fly very far out, there's also the beautifull north part of Ibiza when the weather gets a bit warmer.
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Everyone can take care of them selves mate. They don't need you or me to take care of them and choose the "right" parties for them. Seems like (unfortunately for me and mostly you, because I left Greece 5 years ago) most people have no problem listening to Skazi every weekend anyway.
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On 2005-01-19 13:12, psydubient wrote:
Finally I believe in conversation.
I am sure that are some people who didn’t know the artists that I mentioned.Hope they’ll search about them.Not only about their music but their bios and will understand about what I am talking about.
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You seem to be in denial.
You simply do not want to realise that some, or most people do not like your favourite artists, simply because their music does not appeal to them. Diverse taste is not a bad thing, it's one of the things that makes us all different.
Peace out.
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