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Electronic Bungalow
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 18:28
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A few remarks.
(1) – When Level Djs states that it is “The main agency for INTERNACIONAL ARTISTS in Brazil”, one is to suppose that Level has behind this statement FACTS to prove it. And to prove it, nothing better than to publish here at Isratrance, the full list of artists duly represented in Brazil by Level. By “represented” I mean those artists which have given their PRIOR and FULL CONSENT for Level to act on their behalf. Representing is not to sub-book artists that were brought to Brazil by other ppl or agencies, NOR “fishing”for artists that are planning to come to Brazil by their own means, or are already in Brazil in such a situation.. There’s a huge difference between resselling & representing. As there’s is a difference between an established fact and a promotional move.
(2) – As for CLUB A paying full fees. As far as I know, nothing could be further from reality. I will not be unpolite and release info which concern only some parts involved, but some I can. Recent info: Take Broken Toy’s act for instance: They got about HALF of their regular fee. Let me make one remark in here: I don’t consider it to be disrespectfull or else to bargain for a cheaper fee, its part of a regular business practice. Anyway there’s a huge line of foreign artists that received well less for playing at Club A, and if prompted to do so, I can release such info to any interested or accredited part, but in PVT plz.
(3) – As for the core issue. When LEVEL states that emails were sent to the crowd warning about the cancellation. Well, then there must have been some processing problems in doing so, for I myself have 4 different entries in such mailing list under 4 different names, (one of those is the one I use here at Isratrance), and in none of those accounts I’ve received any notification about such cancellation.
(4) – I think all of the foreign artists have heard about the names of brazilian artists such as Rica Amaral, Marcelo VOR, Gabe (Wrecked Machines), Mack and Du Serena. They do not belong to Level’s Cast; When in doubt about any club or agency here in Brazil, try and send an email to them asking for their opinion. They know everthing there is to know about the brazilian scene; And despite I did not ask for their permission to write these, I’m sure they’ll not refuse to hint you about playing in Brazil
5) – General & Continuing Behaviour: According to the promotion of CLUB A, MACK is due to play there TOMORROW, Saturday, at 3:00 AM. Problem is, according to MACK’S Agency, he has been booked to play in GOIANIA more than a month ago. So according to his agency, NO, MACK won’t play at CLUB A this Saturday, Probably CLUB A haven’t learned about this, for all its publicity material still lines up Mack, and at this time there’s less than 12 hours for his performance at Club A.
6) – People who are coming to Brazil could also talk to Paranormal Attack regarding his experience with agencies in here. And how he managed to get his ticket back. And about a certain phone call from Mexico, made by Asher (Skazi), regarding Paranormal’s issue.
And there’s plenty more. But that’s all for the moment folks.
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full_on
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 19:15
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On 2004-03-19 05:04, Fernanda Level wrote:
About the party that Full-On posted the link, we were just putting our djs to play on this party, so if there was this problem with only vodka to drink, it was a fault of the club owners, and by the way, at 5:00 am the party was almost finishing, and this problem started at 2:00am and at 3:00am people were already able to drink whatever they wanted to. So in this case Level Djs work was to bring the Djs so they could play at the time they were supposed to, and this happened, so our part of the job was done.
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Ohhh, yes...
And what about the flyer saying in CAPS LOCK letters:
SESTO SENTO LIVE!
Sesto Sento DJ set
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What we had? Less than an hour and half of a DJ set...
So it seems you're trying to manipulate the story... Not good at all...
I travelled from my city to Campinas to see their Live Act, that just didn't happened.
Respect!
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camis
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 20:24
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quoting E.B
" (3) – As for the core issue. When LEVEL states that emails were sent to the crowd warning about the cancellation. Well, then there must have been some processing problems in doing so, for I myself have 4 different entries in such mailing list under 4 different names, (one of those is the one I use here at Isratrance), and in none of those accounts I’ve received any notification about such cancellation. "
indeed... i ALWAYS receive promotional e-mails with line up and info from clubA or alki (same owner thus same mailing) and NEVER got those emails saying that charles was not going to play on any of the 2 nights he was booked (friday, march5th nor wednesday, march10th)
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the *funny* thing is... ´cuz there are 3 parts envolved it´s not hard to push te blame on somebody else´s back... than if camilo razuk does not show up here (but fernanda and charles do) *automatically* camilo takes all the blame... and i suppose he never will show up here since 90% of his is public ir far away from knowing that "isratrance" existis
and i´d say half of those who were there on that saturday not even know what "trypitich" or "sesto sento" is anyway... if they had "myself" playing some hits on the stage all the zoombie and drunk crowd would dance happy no matter what...
that means camilo can keep up with the same "strategies" that his club will be filled every friday, so as far as he is concerned we can keep this discussion 4ever but if his pocket does not feel the pressure he won´t change a bit...
as for fernanda (level agency) of course now she´s worried ´cuz she knows that the artists read isratrance and then her pocket (and reputation) are in danger by having those facts exposed here...
in fact, i hope this discussion starts to change some "bad habits" that this ppl seem to have in their commercial behaviors... |
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luje
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 21:00
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On 2004-03-19 05:04, Fernanda Level wrote:
...so this was between your manager and Club A (about this, Club A can xplain you better)
...it was a fault of the club owners...
So in this case Level Djs work was to bring the Djs so they could play at the time they were supposed to, and this happened, so our part of the job was done.
I hope this post can help to solve everybody's doubts, so from now on, people won't speak about what they don't know.
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How could this funny post solve anything at all if it only pushes it foward? |
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Mauricio
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 21:46
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Well guys, I'm a part of Level Djs so I'd like to make some things clear here.
Well, about Triptych what I can say is the same thing as Fernanda said, but now I have one more question to ask: What is the reason to cancell him, since he was booked to play, with the name on the flyer? For sure it wasn't because of money, since everybody that played there received what they were supposed to (including myself)? Maybe club A organizers are crazy people and suddenly they decided to "use" Charles name to "make the party bigger".....I don't think so...
And Charles, you weren't replaced for Apocalypse, cause I went there with him on Wednesday to play, and nor him nor me played/receive as well.
E.B, if you're saying so much about Paranormal Attack, maybe you should ask them for who did they called on the day they were supposed to fly back to Portugal, to pick them up on the bus station, drive them to the flight company office and borrow money to pay they're ticket transfer and drive them later to the airport. Sometimes it's better to search for the truth before start saying about what you don't know, or what you heard from someone.
And about Level working with artists that other organizers bring to Brazil, you should try to get in touch with the artists that worked recently with us, and ask them if they called us to help them with gigs, or if suddenly we decided to sell everybody like if they were a bunch of bananas.
By the way, about this party Full On is talking about, it's kinda impossible to make a live act without a NordLead, and this is full responsability of the club to arrange this, so since Sesto Sento didn't want to make a FAKE live, and than threat the public as stupid, they made only a dj set, if you still have such a big problem with this, you should get in contact with the organanizers and ask for your money back.
Sorry to keep on "washing the dirty loundry" here, but there are things that should be explained.
Well, if I can help with something else, pvt me.
Cheers.
Mauricio@Com.Pact Records
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slave2rave
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 22:30
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Already read all, already knew about the facts stated before, and not the first time i hear some obscure news coming from that people.
IMHO, it's obvious who gives clear infos and the ones who give crossed and/or missinformations.
Make your own judgement.
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Brentel
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 22:59
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Indeed Lotus,we all know that this kinda thing keeps happening here,and always with this ppl from Level/Club OzzO.....
This is not the first time(and im afraid it wont be the last,unfortunally),that this ppl fucks serious artists and the crowd that pays for something and dont get what they paid for.
I really really hope that ppl learn something with this,and stop atteding to this ppl parties,and ARTISTS,pls pay attention and stop dealing with them!
I also have a list of artists that had problems with them........if someone is interested on knowing,pvt me...
This is all......for this moment......i´ll come up again later..
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charles
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 23:06
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Hello Mauricio,
Ok, so you start by saying "the same thing as Fernanda"...
Cool, so i'm still waiting for THE PROOF that what she said about exclusivity is true! Do you have this PROOF????
Well, after you ask a very funny question:
Mauricio ---> "What is the reason to cancell him, since he was booked to play, with the name on the flyer? For sure it wasn't because of money, since everybody that played there received what they were supposed to (including myself)? "
The answer is in your question!!
YOU RECEIVED MONEY BUT NOT ME.
So maybe they cancelled me because they didn' t want to spend money again for another artist!
THE LESS MONEY "CLUB A" SPEND, THE MORE MONEY THEY KEEP FOR THEM!
The real question is :
"Why they cancelled me if they had so much money to give????????"
And about your sentence : "Maybe club A organizers are crazy people and suddenly they decided to "use" Charles name to "make the party bigger".....I don't think so..."
Does it mean for you than putting my name on a flyer doesn't make some entries??? If yes, thanx for the compliment!...i hope i read wrong...(just a question)
Mauricio ---->"And Charles, you weren't replaced for Apocalypse, cause I went there with him on Wednesday to play, and nor him nor me played/receive as well. "
And????
you went there and???
you didn't play and???
This have nothing to do with the fact than Camillo and Fernanda told me i will be the only Live to play on wednesday...and then wednesday afternoon, just before the party, on forum we could read "Triptych CANCELADO" and just above an adverstising with "APOCALYPSE LIVE ACT FIRST TIME IN BRAZIL"
...No comment...
Mauricio ---->Sorry to keep on "washing the dirty loundry" here, but there are things that should be explained.
I think the loundry is dirty because of this kind of explanations...
Look to all the others post, a lot of people seem to complain about a lot of things concerning Club A and Fernanda.
And as Aviram said, everyone make mistake... and Fernanda did one with Camillo from Club A by cancelling me...
Cheers
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NeutroN
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Posted : Mar 19, 2004 23:10
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why when people get 'big' (this is a veeeeery small scene, maybe in brazil it is the latest thing which as always will be nothing in a couple of years time, and just some will still like it  ) think that they are the king of the world (or as in portugues the queen of the cocada preta)?
If you guys call yourself 'professionals' you should act like such.
I really do feel for charles, the public thinks that the international artists are the best whereas the people behind the scene (not all but some for sure) just think as them as the 'gringos' and take full advantage of this, trying to be the wise guys.
from what i can see here their is a lot of jealousy and greediness going on their. As a friend said to me, this business in brasil is really getting dirty, people doing everything they can do to take you down. please watch out for the rats
as for artists going to brazil my only advice as EB said talk to other artists who live their, they are people like you (artists)
I really feel sad when i have to read stuff like this. IMO their are toooo many 'business man's' involved in trance nowdays, who would've guessed 5 years ago that their would be a club just for trance in brazil? hunf what a stupid idea if you ask me lol
Charles, i really feel sorry for what happened to you man, sometimes this is good sot that we can be more aware of things next time. best of luck to you dude  and thanks god nothing more serious happened to you. e.g. not being able to get back home.
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Gui Milani
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Posted : Mar 20, 2004 00:28
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Hello all, I couldn´t be away from this thread at all.
FIRST OF ALL: PLEASE, PATIENCE WHILE READING ALL POSTS HERE, THEY ARE ALL VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT AND MUST BE READ TO COMPREHEND WHAT´S GOING ON AND WHO IS THE IMPOSTOR OF ALL THIS SITUATION !!!
1- I want to ask SORRY personally for Camilo Razuk for everything I´ve said before about Club A (or hiself) because it´s more then clear that FERNANDA made all mistakes;
2- About TRIPTYCH perfomance, it´s (once more) evident that Fernanda made all mistakes. And I can´t call those acts ONLY mistakes, it´s something that can be solved as a crime act, since she made a false promotion of the party, cancelled the artist with no plausible reason, didn´t pay the artist correctly, DECEIVED MILLION OF PPL IN MY CITY and everyelse you guys already know;
3- I asked to Fernanda on MSN to give me plausible explanations about what happened, but unfortunately she acted like a child and could not give me even ONE plausible answer... ON THE OTHER HAND, SHE INSULTED ME SAYING THINGS LIKE ´´IF I KEEP SPREADING HER SHITS ON THE NET, I WILL LOST MY TEETH...´´ ...
Oh, are you scared ? Or you don´t believe ? I can proove this for anyone, just ask me, ok ?
WHAT DO I HAVE TO DO WITH ALL THIS SITUATION:
4- On October 2003 I brought with 2 partners Melicia (Aviram Iluz) to Brazil. Unfortunately I have some problems with him here, not about his fault, BUT guess who was the problem ???
BINGO: FERNANDA (LEVEL AGENCY).
5- MELICIA / FERNANDA´s FAKE PROMOTION:
Fernanda called me dealing the perfomance of Melicia in Club A one week after his perfomance at my rave;
I said to her that NOTHING WAS CLOSED YET, because I would have to negociate the possibilities with my partners... Guess what ? JUST ON THE OTHER DAY, ONE DAY AFTER SHE PHONED ME, MELICIA´S NAME WAS PUBLISHED IN ABOUT 40.000 FLYERS AND A HUGE MAILING LIST !!!
I was shocked with the situation, and when I asked Aviram about that he told me he didn´t have a clue about it. I also phoned Oren Kristal (Phonokól´s International Manager) and he was too angry and also didn´t know why Fernanda did such a bullshit since nothing was closed yet...
Conclusion: Melicia closed a Dj Set Perfomance into Club A (in the Level Djs & Compact Party that happens all months! hehe) because my rave wasn´t full and he needed to publish his work (I can comprehend his situation). And he also told me he would play there to not ´´burn´´ his image as a dj that don´t present to the gig when booked (since everybody thought he was booked!)...
6- ANYWAY... I RESPECT SESTO SHENTOV´S OPINION AND ALSO AGREE: EVERYONE MAKES MISTAKES... but:
- DOES EVERYONE DECEIVE OTHERS MANY TIMES IN A ROW ?
- DOES EVERYBODY HIDE THE TRUTH WHEN ASKED ABOUT THE SITUATION ?
- DOES EVERYBODY GIVE FAKE ANSWERS TO TRY TO BE THE INNOCENT OF THE HISTORY ?
7- Finally, I don´t wanna get ANYTHING from Fernanda or Level with this... If I wanted, I would take the legal ways... I JUST WANNA TRY TO ALARM DJS/PRODUCERS, SPECIALLY THOSE FROM OUTSIDE BRAZIL THAT DON´T KNOW THE OBSCURE PART OF THOSE KIND OF SITUATIONS, ABOUT WHO LIKES TO PLAY WITH OUR FACES OVERHERE...
8- MY advice: TO BOYCOTT ! COERCE! REPRESS PEOPLE LIKE THAT !
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Posted : Mar 20, 2004 01:55
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What a shame !!!!
I thought about writing here, then decided not to, then thought again, and you know what ? To hell with it... this is a forum, a world wide one, and im sure many of my fellow citizens will agree with me on this matter.
I hope Tryptich will not carry this bad impression of the country, and Im SURE they WONT, because they have worked for SERIOUS people during carnival , they have seen what brazilians producers and crowd can be like, so ...
I hope them, as well as other serious artists know which producers are NOT as serious as this last one wasnt.
I just cant belive that stuff like that is still happening, specially at a club, a famous one, in SAO PAULO, which is considered ´´the`` town for labels, djs, agencies and so on.
just a big embarassement !
my sincere apologees.
Branca.
ps: there will be bad ppl everywhere, and good ppl too... but remember, not everyone can be bad/good 100% of the times... we´re humans, we´ll go on making mistakes, but they can be like THIS type of mistakes.
we´ll get there...
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Hg
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Posted : Mar 20, 2004 03:30
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NeutroN imagine having coffee, milk, chocolate, tea, chai, coke, water, juice and pee in an Orange Bowl... the MIXER'S mix in a mix-mixture... chaos in order... just is it here in Brazil! gr8 country indeed but you know, shit happens everywhere! Artists must understand! Someone must be sorry! Everyone must cooperate and fight! just is it... and history keeps the events safe for further bussiness (if you wanna name it) and further psychedelic trance!
peace people... there's always a better way to solve it without breaking it!
working out 
love, light and laughter (in-port-ante)
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Mauricio
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Posted : Mar 20, 2004 20:14
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Well Charles lets make some things clear here:
I'm really not on your side or Club A side, but the only thing that I want to make clear is that I know Club A organizers, and with me, and with all the artists I know, this kind of things never happened with us, actually, every time we played there, everything worked on the better way as possible. IT'S A REALLY BIG SHAME THAT THIS HAPPENED TO YOU HERE, but for what I can guarantee you is that Level Djs didn't had nothing to do with it, the agency was only the "bridge" between your manager and Club A, since they didn't had your contact, so we did this for them, and as it seems it a really big mistake, and one thing that you can be sure is that if we knew that all of this thing of cancellation would happen we wouldn't be involved on it. I think you have your reasons to be angry with it and Club A have their reasons to cancell you as well, so the best thing to do, in my opinion, is that your manager should get in touch with Club A and try to solve this on the best way for both of you. And by the way, you were on the line up because we really think that you would be MORE on the line up, so if you misandertood this, you were supposed to play cause you would be interesting for the party and for the crowd. About the cancellation, as I said, it REALLY wasn't our fault.
Well form my side, what I can say is sorry 4 cause all of this disrespect that Club A made to you, and unfortunatelly maybe you and some other posts here made a bad opinion about the agency.
But I really would like to make something clear here: Club A is one thing and Level Djs is a completely different thing, so you guys should try to separate the things and than make your opinion of the 2 diferent things.
When we make our parties, we want to develop our name, so if its interesting to do in Club A, we do it, if it's interesting to do somewhere else, for sure we will do it.
Well I hope you don't take this as another of "this kind of xpalnations", and maybe try to get my point.
About Neutron's post, you can be really sure that we don't think and act as we're the queen of cocada preta or something like this, we only do our job on the better way as possible, if some people don't want to like this...well it's everybodys right to have their own opinion about things.
Cheers
Mauricio@Com.Pact Records
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For what I realize, this is not more only a regular post about warning artists about brazil as it should be, actually it's really becoming something personal with me and my agency, since its always the same persons that are talking the same things, or here or in brazilian forums.
Well Charles, Mauricio said the same opinion as I have, so if you still have some doubts about my work, you have my contact, so if I can help you with something you can be sure I will.
Giu milani, you know the story that really happened, and if you still have any questions about it, i'll xplain you everything again if you want, pvt me.
If someone still have some doubts about my work, send me an e-mail or contact this artists that worked/work with me with FULL concent, and not as E.B. questioned:
Visual Paradox (Com.Pact Recs)
Sesto Sento (Com.Pact Recs)
Ultravoice (Com.Pact Recs)
Apocalypse (Com.Pact Recs)
Mauricio (Com.Pact Recs)
F-Rat (Com.Pact Recs)
Melicia (Phonokol recs)
Oren (manager-Phonokol recs)
Protoculture (Nano Recs)
Regan (manager-Nano Recs)
Akasha (Alchemy Recs)
Skulptor/Oracle (High-End Recs)
Paranormal Attack (Chemichal Crew)
and others that unfortunatelly I can't remember now....
This is the only way I found to finish with the personal story and again become a regular topic. |
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Electronic Bungalow
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Posted : Mar 20, 2004 23:09
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Maybe I didn’t make myself clear enough; Really, I’ve got to agree this thread is drifting towards some loose end. This should not be a topic for ppl to make their accounts up with nobody.
The idea here should be to avoid the type of thing the happenned to Charles from ever ocurring again. Now, to be really focused & serious about such prospect, one has to reckon the fact that such improvement DOES NOT LIE over the hands of the public, which in its large majority is alienated, misinformed, and doesn’t know nothing what’s going on backstage, and NOR lies over the hands of many organizers, whose sole interest is to make as much money as possible, and as far as some organizers are concerned, they’ll only supply their public with as much quality as it is strictly needed to have their clubs/parties filled up with masses. If CLUB A had a full house without Charles, why spend some more bucks to have him playing ?
Do not come and bulshit the owners of those clubs with words like respect, artistic content etc etc etc. That’s a shitty nuisance for some of them, and surely won’t lead to a more profitable evening.
Where I’m leading to ? To the fact that a real and solid improvement to such a situation here in Brazil can only be solved by the artists themselves, the foreign ones specially; Do NOT come and play anywhere in Brazil (unless you know the organizer pretty well, have succesfully worked with him, or have superb references on him). If you do not have any of those conditions fulfilled, but still want to give it a go, DO DEMAND at least 50% of your fee before living your country, and DO DEMAND a non-restricted return ticket delivered to your home before even thinking about going to the airport. And only allow to have your name printed over flyers and publicity material after part of the money and the tickets are in your hands.
If you're already in Brazil, the same thing applies: If someone wants you to play, DO DEMAND the same 50% at booking time, and the remaining 50% BEFORE the performance. Again, do not allow your name to be printed over flyers before receiving your down payment.
And if possible, have all negotiations done by email.
A written contract is much more like some sort of a moral bond between the artist and the organizer than a practical instrument to make your rights worth. They are not much valuable down here.
When you think about the original Idea of a trance party, this all only sums up for one to realize how mercantile-like it has become, and it is sad in a sense.
But it is exactly like that. So, to avoid headaches, unexpected cancellations, bad feelings and a distastefull experience outside your country, the answer is to be (or become) strictly professional when dealing with your interests for any planned performance here in Brazil.
Acting this way, you will have a good time down here, will show your work to an audience more than avid for good music, and will not suffer the consequences of an ill planned trip, nor be subject to bad behaved organizers.
Remember: It is in YOUR hands EXCLUSIVELY, not in everybody's else, the guarantee of not getting ripped off, mugged or mislead by bad organizers,
And as a side benefit, will help the brazilian trance scene grow more mature and professional.
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