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Jeto
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 21:32
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So I decided to continue this discussion here.
This was after the TimeSpell party by Mindfull productions. Some people complaining about a pause between music.
Sure it might break the flow, but sometimes its hard to mix into a track the other DJ is playing. What if you have an intro in mind that you want to play. In this case it would be best to let the track play-out. Also when playing LIVE its kind of hard to mix your lvie set into a track the other Dj is playing.
I honestly dont see a problem with it.
Would like to see your opinions.
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Mistress of Evil
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 23:35
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Sure it might break the flow,
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I guess that sums it up for me. It breaks up the flow. When it comes down to it maintaining the flow of music as we are headed for higher and higher states of consciousness (which is what the trance dance does, am i right?) is more important than sacrificing that flow to give applause. I like to think of a lineup and a party as one continuous musical journey, and not a fragmented collection of djs. I like the emphasis to be on the entire journey from beginning to end. Its a collaborative effort that all the djs contribute to. We show our gratitude with the dance. and if you like what is played feel free to show it anyway you desire at any time you desire. but the official stopping between artists really disrupts the flow, takes you out of the trance (i really like jyoti's example of answering the phone during sex!!)
i prefer to hold my applause til the end, so to speak.
just my opinion...
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FaceHead
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 23:44
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OR applaud during (shreiks of joy)
Reall I think it all comes down to the next in line Id rather hear a stop and start than a noisey wreck because the next in line was un familiar with the end of the track they were going into. If it can be done then do it.
I personally would rather not get the individually directed applause. The focus it brings makes me feel more awkward than I already am.
but we arent the council of rule makers for psytrance party conduct so whatever was gonna happen will happen anyway.
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SpaceShark
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Posted : Nov 10, 2006 23:57
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On 2006-11-10 23:35, Mistress of Evil wrote:
...I like to think of a lineup and a party as one continuous musical journey, and not a fragmented collection of djs. I like the emphasis to be on the entire journey from beginning to end. Its a collaborative effort that all the djs contribute to.....
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Completely agreed. I don't wanna see any silent gaps between the music when I'm dancing. It totally destroys the flow. There were times when I couldn't get back to the flow after a 30 or 60 second pause.
So in my opinion a pause between the dj's is a big NO NO.
Btw, there are big parties in Russia, where not only do they have pauses between the dj's, they have announcers who come up on stage and present the next dj...how fucked up is that? "Please put your hands together for ....." 
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Meta
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Posted : Nov 11, 2006 00:10
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Weren't there at least 3 live sets at the party in question that sparked this debate? I know the average dancer isn't familiar with all the technical aspects, but I can assure you that it is not possible to beatmatch a live set into the end of someone's DJ set.
I wasn't at this particular one so I can't comment on the specifics - If the music totally stopped to complete silence, people start applauding, and the next artist/DJ waits for applause to start up and fade away before they even start the ambient intro of the next song... yeah, I can see that being a mood killer.
I've seen this happen at parties with one huge headliner that everyone came to see and it was not really an issue as it was clear that there was one "main event" or whatever that many people had traveled specifically to see, and the completion of that was an emotional thing people acknowledged, but at a party with 3 live sets, that means stopping and applauding every 90 minutes, yeah that kinda sucks.
But barring development of some DJ booth MIDI clock interface... intro/outro fades and some momentary dip in energy/timing is always going to be mandatory for parties with live sets.
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Yidam
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Posted : Nov 11, 2006 00:14
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Would be fun the the next act started their set with 'Terminator - Applause' 
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Gringoqueto
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Posted : Nov 11, 2006 01:57
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Ok, I'm not a DJ (and everyone that knows me, knows I'm not even close to being an amateur one!), but...
Aren't there other ways to mix in a new track other than beatmatching? Like isn't it possible to drop the beat on a live set while maintaining the trance with some head noise and then fade in a new beat...or just drop in a new beat? Or just a full on drop from the live set right into the new set?
Perhaps this requires a little planing ahead of time but isn't that part of putting together a solid line up that flows appropriately from one artist to the next?
Personally, I love it when I'm reaching higher levels of trance and the beat drops out while suspending me in time/space equilibrium with some pulsating or floating pads as the old beat keeps pumping in my body.
On the other hand, if a dj is struggling to connect with the dancers, perhaps it is best to do a full shut down, applause and restart with the hopes of the next dj gaining the hearts and minds of the crowd.
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Positive Reaction
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Posted : Nov 11, 2006 03:40
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I enjoy the small outro for each dj. I believe they are each telling their own story. |
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saintcarl
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Posted : Nov 11, 2006 05:47
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Well I am not a DJ or at the party either, but I think there are different times and ways for people to show there appreciation. It does seem a little rock-star. Of course Mistress of Evil most likey has label regulation of:
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ohmy
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Posted : Nov 11, 2006 08:49
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On 2006-11-11 00:10, Aeon wrote:
but I can assure you that it is not possible to beatmatch a live set into the end of someone's DJ set.
no, but beatmatching isn't the old way to introduce two sounds together.so don't think it terms of just beatmatching
I think the party organizers can suggest to the artists how they want it to flow...
it is technically VERY easy to not have pauses between live and dj...
I personally like the "no silence" between sets rule... they can be interpreted however the dj's want... if the organizers put it out there, then you won't have these awkward moments of silence.
i mean, it'd be easy to organize something like, if you don't like the silence, sit down and protest...
i was at a concert in portugal once, and the crowd didn't like what was going on, on stage, so they took dirt and grass chunks out of the ground, lit it on fire, and threw it at the performers...
i guess this brings up the next question... about playing with grapes on a dancefloor...
is it ok to throw grapes at people on the dancefloor... there is this game that some people play, where they throw a grape, and try to hit multiple people with one grape toss, and there seems to be some kind of points system...
this behavious is dissapointing.
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paradigm
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Posted : Nov 11, 2006 10:23
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The sound should never drop longer than a period of 5 seconds unless its because of technical problems.....(this is really an edict from way old skool rave days, when all it was, was djs andn live acts)
when i am following a good performer, i will let the sound drop for a 1000-1, 1000-2 count, and come in with an atmospheric intro or sample. This i feel is a short enough time to maintain dance floor attention, but also allow the previous performer a moment aknowledgement. If the applause continues past that brief pause, so be it, the sound is now back and they can clap over the 30 seconds of intro if they want.....
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rajatrao5
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Posted : Nov 11, 2006 16:58
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I tend to lean towards Positive Reaction's opinion. Each DJ tells his/her own story and guides the dancer into a different place, with different meaning and purpose. A 10 second gap between sets wouldnt do harm, its a good feeling when applause and whistles come from the crowd once your done with your set. Its about mutual appreciation between dancer and DJ.
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Eklypz
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Posted : Nov 12, 2006 08:26
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If I hear anything longer than 5 seconds between sets, my rave instincts kick in and I think either:
1) There is a sound problem
2) It's busted
3) The DJ is too fucked up to play
Some kind of problem basically. In my 15+ years of electronic music gatherings I cannot recollect any event with pauses intentionally. Of course they are out there but very rare. Maybe a quick intro of "give it up for blah blah blah, here is" but nothing more than that.
Besides no need to give acts more ego than some already have 
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alfreak
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Posted : Nov 13, 2006 08:42
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On 2006-11-12 08:26, Eklypz wrote:
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this is not rave, rave were in warehouse and techno was played at those kind of parties, and that was in the 90's man....
and about going into trance??? im there just to have fun and sometimes i need a little break so the break between the djs is like a cigarrete after sex, just perfect (if u smoke).
about the beat matching, i think all depends in the dj and in his style of music and most important if its gonna sound good....
i dont know what r u guys complaining about....seriously im from mexico and hell no i would of clap for nothing over there but here in Cali we all know each other, u know the dj, the promoter, u know everyone its like a big family, why not show some love to the people that make u had fun for two hours?????
what ego???? go ahead try to make a convesation with the Dj im sure he will be happy to talk to you.... please i love the scene in CAli just for what it is , a bunch of friends having fun ....
also i didnt wanna say this but i feel like this has to be with difference between LA and SF, why???? is it the music?? promoters???dj???
i love u guys but please dont make a big deal out of some respect......
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KINOUX
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Posted : Nov 13, 2006 09:34
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Well I think the pauses in trax are important
part of trax in any music. Every genre of
music has pauses with their own style. The music slows down and then starts again,
which I think is cool. Its sort of transition
and I think its necessary. The great part about it is that it builds anticipation.when the music stops and ur waiting for something to come and when the kick does come, it make me go crazy, its exciting, I think. L.S.Dance ur ass off!! |
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