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Old School Trance

Xtra Vibes

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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 00:14
the goverment of psy speaks(eleos poia).... shame shame shame..
the topic is Old School Trance some people don't have respect to others users who want to speak for old school trance....

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xtra vibes da BoOm


DETOX
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 00:31
Uforica noone is offtopic around here,we are talking about how things were in the past and how things are now,what do you want us all to say here?That things are not like they used to be?That parties are not the same like they used to be?That music is not like it used to be?We said that and we didnt even need to say it because that is commong knowledge so what exactly you expect us to talk about?

Allow me as probably the oldest member in the greek section and an ex moderator for many years to know when i am offtopic and when i am not and if you got any problem with what we say feel free to contact the current moderator and allow him to decide if we are offtopic or not.

Whoever wants to speak about old school trance he is free to do so,noone prohibited anyone from doing so,but in order to speak about oldschool trance you must be an oldschool listener yourself right Xtra Vibes?And please leave the "shame shame and government of psy" comments aside especially behind a computer.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
Xtra Vibes

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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 00:42
right right right!!!!i am one of the oldschool listener
''mr'' detox believe me but you don't know me what i am.... and believe me i don't say it ONLY behind a computer so please.. . . . .
i don't want to fight to international forum like you do ok?if you want to say something come private no public for once respect the other users
i don't answer again
i am sorry to the other users for this. . . .

xtra vibes da boom
MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records

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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 01:01
guys i opened this topic as people dont respect the older artists so much as the sould this has nothing to do with promoting or who is older or newer in the sceene , i dont mind if u like to talk about it ,but
the truth is i feel people should learn there history on
trance how it started and focus a bit there 1st cose it is
a style of music which has its history , im sorry to see
arguments here , i understand some people are more years and know 2-3 things more and have done things
but my focus is trance history and Artists here who they are what they have done and why we forget them when they disapear for some time. so please if
any 1 likes he can give as some reasons on this ....thx
TenTen




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Posted: Nov 30, 2007
Skazi rules
MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records

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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 02:01
i dont think skazi is an old school artist he might be a pop start today but i dont think that he has any thing to do with this topic.
CLAW
CLAW

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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 02:01
If you feel nostalgic and you have something to add in this topic then do it, avoid opening personal conversations in public because probably most ppl do not really care...

And plz, avoid using greek words and whatever is what you are trying to write since a non greek speaker will have NO idea what the hell are you saying...

At least respect that and stop doing it...


Now, just to add my opinion and view in this topic, yes old is old, but new is new... We will never forget the oldies and the '1st' melodies and journeys that some artists and parties have offered to us, but since everything is moving, we have to move also...

Yes, be a fan of old school music, keep your cds and tapes or whatever is that that you have, but dont forget that you have to move on... Is like having an old car of 64 and saying that you dont like all the new technology and old is better and stuff... Hmmm i think you will not manage to stay just with the old car, at some point you have to get yourself something new...

If this new style of psy is not accepted and the majority of the new releases do not fit to someones style and believes that all is shit....?? Then i think he/she has to start listening to something else, open the eyes and look around, have your ears open and believe me, something is out there for you, for me, and for all of us to enjoy!!!


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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records

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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 02:09
yes but a car of 64 will have made its name and
have been many years know till 2007 , in 2007 how many people know who and in 3020 will people remeber them that is the piont, the begining of something anything is the idea made for other to continue ,right corect me if im wrong,my piont is
quality and respect u cannot put the cd of 1995 away cose its old and listen to 2007 because we live it,its like saying ,move on and forget the people that gave us this music to continue ,cose if they didnt start it none of us would be here today?right... any way i say read the begging of a book and on the way ul see the end ,but the start will give u the suspence and light of the story....
other_reality
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 03:05
Trance was sometime awesome. Now its almost boring.

Back then we had labels like Dragonfly, Blue room, Matsuri, T.I.P (the old one), Flying Rhino , releasing music from artists like Green nuns of the revolution, Infinity Project, Darshan, Prana, Pleiadians, Syb Unity Nettwerk, Technossomy, UX, Process, Orichalcum, The Deviant, Slinky Wizard, Doof, Hallucinogen, Juno Reactor, Man with no name, Eat Static, Transwave, KoxBox (Psychopod), Tristan, Kailum, Quirk, MFG, Astral Projection, Shiva Chandra, X-Dream, Cwithe, Noosphere...

I feel nostalgic about trance since the moment the deep, spiritual, complex and evolving mastery of synths and music making from guys like the aforementioned made, were replaced in the greek club scene, slowly but steadily, by incompetent dj's and "god please make me" artists. The "uplifting" phenomenon (outside greece it's rather completely unknown) made this happen. Once this, all negativities began. Soccer shirts accompanying fights, bad vibes and a really massive "alani" gathering. Parties before this stuff began were generally decent, and the music was satisfying, to say the least. And ofcourse it was, the people behind it were educated musicians, talented and willing to create something new and inspiring, they weren't a bunch of rip-off's with lame pc's running trackers, or even playstation 1's running "music" (Yeah, i've seen it in action).
As for the parties in Greece, yes, people were always complaining this is true. And how shouldn't they, when they were paying to see a live p.a that never took place, and babis would take their place, or they had to deal with pricks in security, getting asses kicked some times, or having to force themselves listen through some monstrous crap soundsystems used for panygiria when they were promised 40KW "Crystal Clear Sound System", or a laser show that somehow never happened. (But printed with bold letters on the high quality flyer). Or watching live p.a's with the cables of the synths lying unconnected on the floor (that was very funny) ...Ofcourse.
Anyway, I've had good times and bad times during these, what 12-13 years or so. But no one can tell me what is good music and what is not. I personally don't like to preach and say to someone that what they hear is good or bad. If they like it, and they dance to it, well, good for them. For myself though (and in my own humble opinion which only represents my little brain and nothing else) the music today sucks harder than a black hole.
Nothing in my mind can be described as good today, because what i've lived back then is by far a more complete and beautiful experience. The rest is yadda-yadda. Still, i'm going to the parties and having fun. Different kind of fun, but still, fun.And I'm also listening to music, making music, and whatever music. Why stop ? Some new stuff is very good, especially in the ambient, and the psy-progressive genres. It's not like mind-bending as it was the first time listening to Orichalcum, or Infinity Project's ambient pieces but...hey...that's past. Like Ozric Tentacles is past, like Camel, Gong and so many bands and artists. But in music, like in history, those who are ignorant will be the first to be surprised. The rest just know.
And, for the ones that don't know and also to the ones that do know, I recommend a good listen to "Malaka Dance" by Transwave. Explains things with the fewest words possible. Timeless track...


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DETOX
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 03:12
Dont confuse material things with art,this is what people confuse all the time.

The car example is a very bad example and doesnt apply in the comparison between oldschool music and the new stuff released in our days which might have better production quality but lacks seriously of inspiration and spirituality.

Some people (including myself) dont watch at all new movies and prefer to stick with the old ones,some others dont like modern literature and prefer to read the old classics,same with classical music fans that dont like the new modern music,the majority of theaters around the world are playing old classic plays and not new ones.The examples and the sections are countless.

Ofcourse if you got a car for 40 years you will have to change it because technology is different than music and technology advances and offers new aspects that make our life easier,once i had a video cassete player,now i got a dvd player and tomorrow i will have a blue ray player.Not only technology changes but it also gets worn you know,i mean a car gets destroyed with time no matter how good care you take of it so you got to change it after some time either you like it or not.

Music and art dont get affected by time for those that know how to appreciate good things,a painting by Dali will be amazing today and in 1000 years after today,Iliad by Homer is a classic for more than 2000 years already and will be a classic for the next 2000 years to come,the music of Mozart will be great in the next 1000 years too,same with the movies directed by Bergman and Hitchcock same with a thousand other works.

Old psytrance was great and unfortunately the majority of the new stuff in our days is not great at all not to mention psytrance at all.People have the right to believe in this if they like to and they also have the right to stick to listening to this kind of music and dont give a damn about the music that gets released in our days.

Music is not a car or a radio player or a kitchen or a computer to get affected by time and usage,music is art and art only gets better with time and since people cant find anything new as good as the old music they got the absolute right to stick with the oldschool stuff and listen to it all the time and ignore the music that gets released in our days if it doesnt match with their tastes.

Music is not a mobile phone that you change every couple of years,music is timeless.

Whoever says that "yes old music was good but we got to move on" then he doesnt have a clue about music and doesnt know how to treat music and appreciate it.

I guess the matter is covered.-

          Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records

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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 03:23
mike is right that music cannot be compaired
its like art in this i agree 100% but moving on is not 100% acuret some times,what i mean we can move on cose we have to but we need to know what was before
us to continue are future ,most of psytrance today
think skazi or parasence for example are top cose they bring people to parties, what is the magority of listening to 1 track and remebering it after 5 years from know i think none. fame goes faster than when u have it,when u disapear , i saw shiva shandra released a new album and very few people bothered to see what it is , same for some other that pop up after years ,chakra is in homemega and i havent seen 1 person in greece ask for him , tsuyoshi the same ,domino also
and my piont is we lose faith in the people that tought us this music , and younger people sould know all about how they got in , and not from when they got it , but the start.......
DETOX
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 03:28
Chakra will play in Greece really soon just for your info Nick,the retro parties i was talking about earlier           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 04:05
this is great news cose they are a big piece of trance history , aslo tsyoshi, domino , manmanmade, shiva york , shiva shandra , hallusinogen are nice artists to see here 1 day
CLAW
CLAW

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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 07:52
Quote:

On 2007-11-30 03:12, DETOX wrote:
Whoever says that "yes old music was good but we got to move on" then he doesnt have a clue about music and doesnt know how to treat music and appreciate it.

I guess the matter is covered.-





Then my friend and all the others who HAVE a clue and you are treating music like an art and you belong in a spiritual world and you have SOOO much appreciation about it, STOP arguing about old and new, stop accusing new artist, labels and ppl that might have started a few years later, and stick to your own preference and likings without bothering others and making others feel bad for not have SO much knowledge for 'old' music...

Nobody will disagree that nowadays with all the new technology and variation of music style, Im sure there are a few genres for each one to listen and enjoy...


Just because I decide to move and try to explore and have the need for more and new stuff for my ears and mind to enjoy, doesnt mean that i dont have 'a clue'... On the other hand for me somebody that sticks at a year, at a place, at a time, it means that he/she will not have a clue and doesnt respect music at all...


Wake up ppl... You are not 15 years old, that time has past... You need to grow up, explore...
Dont stop to enjoy your personal oldies, but try to listen to something new, not necesarely trance...


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aless
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Posted : Nov 30, 2007 09:57
Quote:

On 2007-11-30 07:52, CHP wrote:

Dont stop to enjoy your personal oldies, but try to listen to something new, not necesarely trance...




if we dont like the something new how we can listen to it? most of full on this time is crap, the dark psychedelic is still psychedelic but not all some with fast bpm ksefeugoun. psy sceene have lost hes magic
thx to god there is many djs old and new who still making good music
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