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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jun 8, 2005 18:43
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It is not about money IMHO. Lets take gratification out of the way.
In the past the music and the experience were closely tight together. Ppl only listened to music @ the parties and then the whole meaning of the experience was communicated. You learned about the ritual first hand, and then ppl brought it to different parts of the world recreated it.
Through P2P networks only part of the experience is communicated and then the ritual becomes partly duplicated. So yes we have the music @ an event, but the rest looks like another club party. Or it is another rave. Or it is a commercial massive, rock concert... more of the same.
I feel P2P networks are helping widespreading the music, but ppl are separating themselves with the spirit of the events and its original meaning.
Then yes we can argue about quality of sounds and the compression technology, the morals of downloading... but the truth is our experiece is becoming diluted into another selfish and hedonistic senseless party. |
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Pisces1979
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Posted: Jun 8, 2005
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As for the parties, I wish they could be selfish and hedonistic here in NYC. You have commercial psytrance promoter crews ruining the scene by throwing big commercial parties in overpriced tourist-trap clubs in manhattan. It seems like the more commercial a party gets in NYC, the less fun you can have.
I don't think the people from overseas understand that it costs 30 dollars to get into a club in New York City, you can't smoke anything inside, mixed drinks will cost 10 dollars, you can't drink until you are 21, many manhattan clubs that hold psytrance parties won't let in anyone under 21, you will be patted down by bouncers who will then harass anyone inside who they think is acting "suspicious", and many clubs have started shutting down there parties early at 4 am. Also, many of these clubs are filled with non-psytrance yuppies who are only there because it's a trendy club, and could care less about the music, and often don't even know that they are listening to psytrance music. Also, there is not much of chance of meeting someone on a romantic level, because there are always twice as many guys than girls at parties, because they won't let in girls under 21.
There are lots of underground psytrance parties in New York City where people have lots of fun. However, the big name acts like astral projection or hallucinogen never get to see those, they are only flown in to DJ a set at a manhattan club like avalon, or cielo, and they get the totally wrong impression of the psytrance scene.
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arrya
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Posted : Jun 8, 2005 23:10
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i tend to agree with gadi .. in fact, almost completely on this topic .. yes, there are the over-excited " listen to my unreleased killer set" blah blah, but for every three of them, there is one of us who could mix you a set with just shiva chandra, biotonic and a little droidlock , paps thrown in that would melt your skulls and carry you beyond ..
im not defending mp3 users, but there are plenty of people who are learning to piece stories together from the old wealth of psytrance, and who you will stand in front of some time and say - where the hell did he learn to mix like that ? - probably at home with some 128 k mp3s and a shitty little computer ..
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DJ Buju
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 00:12
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On 2005-06-08 23:10, arrya wrote:
there are plenty of people who are learning to piece stories together from the old wealth of psytrance, and who you will stand in front of some time and say - where the hell did he learn to mix like that ? - probably at home with some 128 k mp3s and a shitty little computer ..
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The old wealth of psytrance isn't on mp3, it's on old cds, minidisks, dats and maybe even cassetes.
They could learn to piece a story but for sure I would'nt have asked myself how they learned to mix like that as mixing isnt done with computers ( not proper mixing anyway imo & experience ).
Most of these people aren't into stories or into piecing a story telling set, they are into showing off who's got the latest unreleased killlleeerrrrrr! ( god I hate this word )
BUju
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Pisces1979
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 00:14
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Sorry about going off topic....you can delete that post, mr. moderator.
...I do agree that mp3s have crappy quality, however broadband connections have allowed people to post tracks in higher quality mp3s and .wav format.
Also, you can buy a CD, then burn it to a disc and trade it with your friends. |
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Janue
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 01:30
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Yeeaaap , The problem is not that much the Mp3, cause mp3 are just another way to carry music, a easy way...............but the thing is that we have kids at big parties playing and doing some stupid mistakes on stage, Kids that this people let play just because they have the f**king last unreleased shit.....but the quality leaves behind...people that live in mexico can undestand what im talking about(im shure in other places happend some things like this, but i want to talk about my local deal), but any way i still support legal music, Cd music quality ,no assholes behind the cd players,that the only thing that they do on stage is blow it and grow up their ego's 
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FaceHead
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 01:50
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mp3s arent completely bad i think its good that beginners can learn to spin with good music, I learned to beat match with a couple of shitty techno records from the early nineties, and when i got into psy spent all of my money on equipment so i couldnt shell out 100dollars for 5 cds so it was great to have the ability to download, but you cant truly call yourself a professional or perform at formal events when the music you are playing is stolen. yes mp3s sound bad live especially when the music has those "i stole this pops and clicks" what it is doing is making it seem as though there is nothing special about a dj anyone can stand up there and play some cd's i found that there are people getting breaks playing large events and cant even beat match even in a place like nyc where you think there would be ample talented people to choose from but no someone who has ametuer skill is up there screwing up the flow of several hours be it because they were to fucked up to spin correctly or they just cant do it it boggles my mind. and its frustrating for l many of us who spend a tremendous amount of time and effort in our basements practicing and then pay 60 dollars for a ticket to listen to someone who isnt a professional
sorry just a bit of a rant its just frustrating and these dj's are taking bookings from just because they have the connections oh well i think thats all of the music business not just trance
so i agree support the producers and bring your crowd the best possible experience you can this means best sound in our case whatever that takes. |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 03:31
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On 2005-06-09 00:12, DJ Buju wrote:
Most of these people aren't into stories or into piecing a story telling set, they are into showing off who's got the latest unreleased killlleeerrrrrr! ( god I hate this word ) |
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not really the case in the US, from what I've seen... maybe Mexico, Israel, all the other countries where psytrance is actually popular. Here there are maybe 30 or 40 psytrance DJs for 300 million people. not too many young kids wanting to show off their latest unreleased mp3s to their friends. in fact, most young kids I know think CDs, dats, minidisks are all ghey. Vinyl is still where it's at. <maybe> Final Cut. maybe.
also there are a lot of people in US who buy psy CDs, even when they already have downloaded a copy. just to support the scene. I don't really know anyone who just downloads without buying.
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DJ Buju
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Posted : Jun 9, 2005 14:33
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On 2005-06-09 03:31, DiMiTry wrote:
also there are a lot of people in US who buy psy CDs, even when they already have downloaded a copy. just to support the scene. I don't really know anyone who just downloads without buying.
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If thats the case in the US then way to go dudes !! 
I find it hard to belivie it is the case thogh.
BUju
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piXan
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Posted : Jun 10, 2005 02:12
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On 2005-06-09 03:31, DiMiTry wrote:
not really the case in the US, from what I've seen... maybe Mexico, Israel, all the other countries where psytrance is actually popular. Here there are maybe 30 or 40 psytrance DJs for 300 million people. not too many young kids wanting to show off their latest unreleased mp3s to their friends. in fact, most young kids I know think CDs, dats, minidisks are all ghey. Vinyl is still where it's at. <maybe> Final Cut. maybe.
also there are a lot of people in US who buy psy CDs, even when they already have downloaded a copy. just to support the scene. I don't really know anyone who just downloads without buying.
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yeah sure, nice pollss you pull out or ur pants...
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Meta
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Posted : Jun 10, 2005 02:45
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konflux
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Posted : Jun 10, 2005 07:27
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Liquid-Vision
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Posted : Jun 10, 2005 07:51
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guys this is bullshit. How long are we going to keep tolerating the oppression of Mp3-wielding semi-dj's? How long will we let them degrade us track after track of unreleased(read:STOLEN), clickyty-clackaty, shitty quality music. We cannot stand by and do nothing any longer, we must put an end to this tyranny and KILL ALL MP3-DJ's. That's right, we've tried the whole moral explanation thing, they didint even bother listening. Now, we will take away from them, what they try to take away from us....LIFE AS WE KNOW IT.
OT:Since this concerns pretty much the whole world, shouldn't this be in the trance section? Oh they've had this conversation already? A million times? Nevermind then
We are all visitors to this time, this place. We are just passing through. Our purpose here is to observe, to learn, to grow, to love... and then we return home. |
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[TDC] Mukti
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Posted : Jun 10, 2005 10:07
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i have many thoughts about this topic but i will give only few.
- 1. without mp3 and mp3 djs the trance scene would never be as big as it is today.
- 2. high quality mp3 like 320 sound the same as waves.
- 3. most places where djs are playing the sound system is so shitty that there is almost no difference.
- 4. when an artist sends an unreleased track it is a lot easier to transfer 16 mb file then 80 mb file over the internet. (not everybody has a high speed connection)
- 5. artist only gain popularity and are not effected by it. (labels most certainly are)
- 6. all most all dj started their carrier with ether mp3 cds or coppied cds from their friends.
- 7. since a lot of djs dont get paid for their playing and not a lot of djs are rich.
- 8. and most important idea, who gives a shit if the track is mp3 or a fucking wave.
oooooooooh almost forgot. when you include alohol or other substanses into the mix then the last thing on your mind is going to be is that dj is playing mp3 or a real bought cd.
and if you have money to buy cds is more power to you. i believe in buying cd and in mp3.
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DJ Buju
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Posted : Jun 10, 2005 14:54
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On 2005-06-10 10:07, [TDC] Mukti wrote:
i have many thoughts about this topic but i will give only few.
- 1. without mp3 and mp3 djs the trance scene would never be as big as it is today.
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It might not have reached that much of a wider crowd but still there are LEGAL mp3 downloads sites you can downloads your music from ( These people wouldn't want to pay for the music anyway)
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- 2. high quality mp3 like 320 sound the same as waves.
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Now thats toatlly wrong, Even a 320kbs doesn't sound as good as a WAV file. Thats A fact. Might be twice as good then a 128kbs mp3 but never as good as full bandwith.
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- 3. most places where djs are playing the sound system is so shitty that there is almost no difference.
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That could be true @ most times but I think as a Dj one should be loyal to himself, It's not about getting away with it, I like to think that when i play i give the crowd the best quality set i can. Sound & Music wise, Even if it's in crap place with a crap sound system.
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- 4. when an artist sends an unreleased track it is a lot easier to transfer 16 mb file then 80 mb file over the internet. (not everybody has a high speed connection)
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Yes most artists send their demos as mp3 to the label @ first as a generl idea but then they will send the full bandwith file. And really most labels head anchos wouldn't play those mp3's. they will play the unmastered wav files they been sent.
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- 5. artist only gain popularity and are not effected by it. (labels most certainly are)
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Thats true. The labels are mostly the ones who get effected by it but to a small degree the artists as well.
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- 6. all most all dj started their carrier with ether mp3 cds or coppied cds from their friends.
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If you'd copy a cd every now and then i don't think everyone would look @ you in a bad way. l never met anybody who has only original cd's but the point is that a lot of djs out there might have never bought a SINGLE cd in their life!!
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- 7. since a lot of djs dont get paid for their playing and not a lot of djs are rich.
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Thats a known fact and like any other thing you do in life some are more sucsessful then others.
But all these little brats who wanna show off they got they latest unreleased killarghhhhh  have got no respect to the industry, it's artists or it's lables.
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- 8. and most important idea, who gives a shit if the track is mp3 or a fucking wave.
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Well my friend many of us do  If you don't care then your cd case must be full with illegal downloaded music and I have no respect for such attitude @ all.
Thats a sentence people who have loads of mp3's are saying to themslves in order to convince them or other people that the quality is the same. As I said before it's for sure not.
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oooooooooh almost forgot. when you include alohol or other substanses into the mix then the last thing on your mind is going to be is that dj is playing mp3 or a real bought cd.
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Again it's not about what the people who @ the party taking drugs and drinking notice or not. It's about been true to yourself and trying to give the crowd the best quality gig you can. And you;d be suprised how many people do notice when a crap mp3 is being played.
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and if you have money to buy cds is more power to you. i believe in buying cd and in mp3.
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Agreed! people should buy both cd's and pay for their downloaded mp3s. It's a small scene we are in and we gotta help in supporting it
Bom BOm
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