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NYC - Party - To the memory of COSMA - 08/16/03
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PsyFire
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 17:38
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Isn't this topic supposed to be about a party in memory of Cosma??
I'm begining to question the sincerity of the event. Not one person has taken the time to talk about Cosma, what he stood for, or how this event is any kind of memorial for him...and this thread has been going on for 3 pages. And let me remind you that most of the people who have posted here are somehow connected to this production or at least support it.
From what I understand Cosma was a unique individual who wanted to bring people together with his music.
I don't think he spent any of his time thinking about Tsunami serving water or closing at a specific time...
Let's just rename this thread "Hommega vs. Tsunami" or "Alien Project VS. Talamasca & Xerox" and leave Cosma out of this.
This thread is living proof of why the New York scene looks the way it does. Bad vibes, bad vibes and more bad vibes. I'm already used to it but I think we have crossed every ethical boundary with this exploitation of an artist's death and personally I think we should all be ashamed.
Saying all of this I still hope it will be a good party but I think that it would add to the integrity of this forum if we stuck to what this event is really supposed to be about.
Peace Love Light Respect
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arrya
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 17:41
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A little addition to the info on this party already - for those of you who have continually been pissed off by bad locations, crammed dancefloors and awful clubs ( think estate - astral and parasense party ) it looks like the talamasca/ xerox party is going to be different.. i had a look at the pictures of the location, and they look pretty incredible - go over to http://www.daylightstudios.com ... obviously, most of the pictures up there arent of the location - but the few that are are pretty interesting ..
hoping this will be a great party - and i know im gonna be there !!! .. im going to bed now, to save some energy for sat night ... someone please wake me up in time for it ..
     
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 18:01
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Well, just to mention something, Liran was a close friend of Avihen, and was supposed to bring him here about a month after his death, according to his past plans... for him it is like closing a loop, this party means alot to him. I dont see why not to discuss this here, why not mention what's going with Tsunami, it is happening for a fact, it is very frustrating to Hommega and NYC trancers to even be bothered with a split scene choice like this... as SmokedSalmon said, the scene here is not big enough for 2 bigtime parties on the same night... PsyFire, i see your frustration as a party goer and trancer. I dont think this thread should be renamed Hommega Vs Tsuanmi...
i please ask and advise together SmokedSalmon and liat to try to avoid slanderous remarks since it is against our forum guidelines regarding any entity or person. but i do beleive we can have a discussion about this without letting thread spin out of control...
with that being said, i will now look for the tsunami personal response email i got from JEG and post it soon...
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liat
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 18:19
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psyfire where are you from space?
Do you even live in nyc?
have you been to the parties fakenami has been throwing?
Fakenami is bent on ruining other peoples parties. They do not co-operate. he does not announce one date but four or six dates, just so thers cant make a party.
This post was supposed to be about the event, which it is, indirectly.
It is about how fakenami throws "get togethers" when others do, just to try and put them out of business. (yeah thats kosher.)
This post is a history to inform others "Hey don't go there!" so lets rename it that!
Just because no one read a eulogy about Cosma here is no reason to grant legitamacy to fakenamis production. They have no decorations, rarely have blacklights, and you are lucky if the "talent" shows up, and if they do, is it live? or is it memorex?
Yes this thread has spiralled away from the perfect, clean post.
But here's the reality check:
Can you channel energy from the unknown to possibly know what cosma would do?
<I don't think he spent any of his time thinking about Tsunami serving water or closing at a specific time...
Let's just rename this thread "Hommega vs. Tsunami" or "Alien Project VS. Talamasca & Xerox" and leave Cosma out of this. >
(we know the answer is no, despite your guessing)
And I have *NOTHING* to do with Hommega.
*NOTHING*
I just loathe fakenami, and his evil motives.
I am sorry that this thread could not be "clean" and sterile. But yes, nyc is a dirty place. And I have a right to free speech. (and to be filtered be moderators)
And fakenami is proof that their parties will continue to suck when they don't listen to the people who actually attended their parties.
HELLO! Here it is fakenami! here is the blueprint of what you need to change!
Someone forward this thread. Maybe overnight they will do a 180 degrees, and make a good party.
But we know the truth will be that will never happen.
I just wish that ALL would never go to a faknami production. I encourage that people go to hommegas party, but that is because it will be a BETTER PRODUCTION, HANDS DOWN. |
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Surrender
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 18:48
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liat, please refrain from using slanderous remarks. i.e: Fakenami.
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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grguy
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 19:37
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On 2003-08-13 17:41, arrya wrote:
it looks like the talamasca/ xerox party is going to be different.. i had a look at the pictures of the location, and they look pretty incredible - go over to http://www.daylightstudios.com ... obviously, most of the pictures up there arent of the location - but the few that are are pretty interesting ..
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non of hte pics is from New York location all of the pics from Madrid
now i'm sure it will be a good one but if someone know more about the location it will be nice 2 know Ya ! |
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Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 19:50
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Liat,
Correct me if I am wrong but you are from Home of Trance.
Now, this party is being organized by Hommega. You are not really helping out HOT's cause here by slamming Tsunami, you are actually doing exactly the opposite. I think you should let them speak for themselves, especially since you guys are selling tickets for Tsunami's party and there clearly seems to be a conflict of intrest here.
Smoked Salmon, I really don't understand your last post on this thread. You are trying to tell people to come to your party and not Tsunami's based on the fact that yours is being done for the memory of Cosma. Yet you still haven't told us how exactly is this party connected to him. To use a the death of such a respected person as a way to promote your party (without explaining why or how) is unethical in my opinion. Especially with all this shit being thrown around in this thread and especially on ISRAtrance.
If someone disagrees with me then please tell me why I am wrong. I feel like Hommega isn't doing a very good job explaining themselves so far.
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liat
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 20:23
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You are wrong, I do not work for, or organize with Global Trance.
Alex would be pissed if word got out that I misled people to believe that. So once again, I do not represent Global Trance.
I stand before you as a person that once rep'd unami, and because we got sick of all of his lies, we abandoned him. Thats why his flyer came out late. we left him hanging in the wind.
Someone else posted info about unamis party here, on the cosma thread.
That started this snowball.
As for helping unami, how is that possible?
The more people who know the truth, the less people that show up.
We recieved over 500 complaints from the last party, because of unamis shenanigans.
I asked before that we let it rest, but to no avail.
Will someone please close this thread and start a new one???
As for someone explaining how the party is connected to Cosma, read surrenders post from 2003-08-13 18:01
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PsyFire
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 20:46
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I can only assume that Alex is now extremely pissed off because previously in this thread you acknoledged the fact that you were involved in the Neormotor production and the Disco Futuro in another thread. You kept using the terms "we" so i don't see how suddenly you have nothing to do with Global Trance. Now I don't know if you were lying to us then or your're lying to us now.
Yes, Somebody had brought up the fact that there are two events on the same night earliar in the thread but then you caused the discussion about it to spiral out of control focusing on hatred rather than talking about why the event is important. After It was brought to your attention that you were over the line you said, "he's right, I'm just venting..I should have PM this...This thread should be about Cosma, somebody take it there." Good advice but unfortunately you didn't implement it. So once again you are being a hypacrite. Finally the issue isn't Tsunami. Most of what you're saying is probably true but why don't you just open a new thread called "I hate Tsunami" rather than us closing this one which is supposed to be about Cosma. |
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SmokedSalmon
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 21:47
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Dudes.... Too much talking. I wonder if there will be any action though... The text I posted the last time is what I received from Liran. I am just a friend who wants to help that's all. If things get out of control and if things are taking a different direction it's all good. No need to worry about it. We are just discussing. Right?
It is REALLY amazing to see that, 2 one night events bring more noise than BURNING MAN FESTIVAL on this FORUM. THAT IS QUITE REMARKABLE. Don't you think?
As to questions about how this party related to COSMA by <APOCALYPSE NOW>
PLEASE read the posting by SURRENDER that explains a lot.
And on top of that COSMA's family is acknowledged about this party by Liran. And Liran also said he will be donating money to his family if they need or ask. Liran will be visiting Israel and is going to meet Cosma's mom. So I hope he is going to have good things to tell her about this party.
I am just a psy-trance fan from NYC . That's all. I don't care who organizes or who plays or where it takes place. I just want to dance, trance, see my friends ,have a good time. The fact that I won't be seeing half of the people I like to see dancing with me is SAD.
I WISH THESE TWO ORGANIZATORS AND EVERYBODY ELSE COULD PUT ALL THEIR EFFORT JUST ONCE IN UNITING AND BRINGING PEOPLE TOGETHER AS IT WAS IN A SYNTHETIC SADHUS PARTY> THAT COULD HAVE BEEN SPECTACULAR>
***** BY THE WAY, DEAR APOCALYPSE NOW, your signature says "If you can do a half-assed job of anything, you're a one-eyed man in a kingdom of the blind"
Would this be the driving force in making half ass productions? |
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SmokedSalmon
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 22:26
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And COSMA says from high above: "LOOK AT THOSE FOOLS DOWN THERE"
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PsyBisli
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 23:28
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Psyfire, FYI:
1. Alex=Globaltrance/(formerly H.O.T)
2. Neuromotor production has nothing to do with Alex... sure his store supported the party and online just like this tsunami event, but he has had no active part in this as Globaltrance.
3. Alladin Project is the one who set this party up and same with Disco Future.. read your flyers better before you try to accuse others of being liars. the fact that they are friends has probably led to the confusion.
4. Liran is also friends with Globaltrance, does that make him part of the crew too? |
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SmokedSalmon
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 23:30
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BUT THEN AGAIN... If I was a dead Dj and mortals would be throwing a party in my name in today's USA, I would want the money to go to ELECTRONIC MUSIC DEFENSE FOUNDATION. |
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liat
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Posted : Aug 14, 2003 01:56
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STAY ON THE BALL!!!
I AM NOT ON THE DEFENSE HERE!!!
Hold on, what do I see here??
OH, SPIN CONTROL!!!!
See if you can afford to pay attention for longer than a second.
The subject was COSMA. Someone rudely said unami, and the subject shifted to bashing.
ARE YOU WITH ME??? TRY TO STAY ON THE BALL, NO SPIN HERE!!!
Try to dispute the FACTS stated in pages 1,2, or 3.
You can't.
Because you don't know anything about anything.
I STATED THE FACTS EARLIER.
And you choose a simpleminded approach to attack a debatable question like "Is she friends with alex?" she said she was, oh we got you now!!!
No you don't. I know of him. we don't hang out. I barely remember what he looks like? Is he bald? Do I care?? Do you?
And yes, I asked we ALL leave it alone, yet here we BOTH are, just like in kindergarten.
We both want the last word. But you know what? Im on vacation, and I like letting people know things about unami.
So each time you reply to me with unfounded retorts (www.dictionary.com), I will post one new fun fact about unami.
Like, <JEG was forcefully evicted from the old offices by the police because he did not pay rent. He lost money at more than 40 parties, so his primary investor insisted that all income go to him first.>
So please no longer refer to me, as you are the unofficial "unami defense fund" chairman.
I wouldnt be surprised if john emails you what to write.
You sound like a public relations person.
Thats what we did, we believed his lies, and tried to make him look good.
We did his design, and flashnet work,
but now we know the truth.
We have been *enlightened*
I guess you too will see the light, but I can't take you there.
I'm sure through trial and error you will find it on your own.
- i am leaving this post behind, do not quote me anymore, unless someone wants to contest the facts posted on pages 1,2, and 3....
C YA @ COSMA!
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On 2003-08-13 20:46, PsyFire wrote:
I can only assume that Alex is now extremely pissed off because previously in this thread you acknoledged the fact that you were involved in the Neormotor production and the Disco Futuro in another thread. You kept using the terms "we" so i don't see how suddenly you have nothing to do with Global Trance. Now I don't know if you were lying to us then or your're lying to us now.
Yes, Somebody had brought up the fact that there are two events on the same night earliar in the thread but then you caused the discussion about it to spiral out of control focusing on hatred rather than talking about why the event is important. After It was brought to your attention that you were over the line you said, "he's right, I'm just venting..I should have PM this...This thread should be about Cosma, somebody take it there." Good advice but unfortunately you didn't implement it. So once again you are being a hypacrite. Finally the issue isn't Tsunami. Most of what you're saying is probably true but why don't you just open a new thread called "I hate Tsunami" rather than us closing this one which is supposed to be about Cosma.
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Posted : Aug 14, 2003 03:10
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Ok, although this isn't O'Reily's Show, The Spin stops here... I've had enough from everyone, including myself. I'm disappointed in us, the fact that we cant have a discussion like normal people and try to shift attentions to various agendas... our truths seem to be relative to our points of view (as usual) with not even a try to compromise and understand each other.
What's gonna happen now is this: I'm going to lock this thread and leave it like this, raw and disguisting. This thread has reached a point where it is no longer positive in any way. So I'm going to open up 2 new threads about the 2 parties. I will keep a strict eye on both threads and make sure we dont shift, sway or get off target, which is: the parties. This forum is not about personal fights, we do not want it here! There is no reason for this, i know we are all better then this, i know it! NYC, let's take a deep breath..... exhale, relax and do this right. see you at the parties.
edit: please read Shahars reply to another thread, the answer applies here as well.
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php?topic=20043&forum=1
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