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NYC - Party - To the memory of COSMA - 08/16/03
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PsyFire
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Posted : Aug 5, 2003 07:04
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Surrender, I looked at the sythetic site and didn't find what you were talking about. Tsunami may not be trustworthy but i still have a good opinion about Alien Project.
I don't know if i'm going to be at the Arc myself but i think it's too soon to start smothering Hommega with too many compliments, especially after their falsly advertised - Logic Bomb/Oforia.
I hope that the emerging cooperation you were talking about works out well but i guess i'll have to see it to believe it...Because beyond one or two events... true cooperation must withstand the test of time....
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Surrender
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Posted : Aug 5, 2003 10:09
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Psyfire, what i was talking about from the synthetic site if i recall correctly or maybe it was a personal conversation with gilles, i dont remember anymore but, Alien Project was used for an example how he made syn-sad rent out all this equip for a live show and at the party itself used none of for actuall playing and all of it for show of his large instruments... you are right, seeing is beleiving, we can only hope for the best.
ps. where have you seen in my writing a "smothering" of hommega with compliments?
 "On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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Surrender
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Posted : Aug 5, 2003 10:27
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On 2003-08-05 05:44, PsyFire wrote:
.....If you're still looking for one that that has love for trance or believes in anything except for himself i'd say you were on a useless crusade.....
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do u love and believe in true trance in NYC? why dont you give it a try? or have you already? 
"On the other hand, you have different fingers."
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sage2012
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Posted : Aug 5, 2003 10:55
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On 2003-08-05 07:04, PsyFire wrote:
Surrender, I looked at the sythetic site and didn't find what you were talking about. |
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you can still read the text from gilles here...
http://psytrance.us/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=12&mode=nested&order=0&thold=0
it reads...
"To all of you Dreamers, Wonderers and Believers, To my Friends, Brothers and Sisters,
I have to announce an important news, the Saturday November 23 party was the last chapter of the Synthetic Sadhus' four years Saga. The New Yearıs Eve is cancelled as well as ALL the upcoming parties. It is the conclusion of a beautiful and unforgettable adventure, the conclusion of 10 amazing years devoted to the Trance culture and 28 magical gatherings in the Big Apple. I ran out of strenght, out of money and I worked to the bone for way too long...
As you guys know, this music is my heartbeat and the trance scene surely remains an authentic way of life that I embraced with passion, but I simply can not continue to sacrifice all my energy and my love for gatherings that people chose not attend anymore. I have been patient and offered all I could give, but I am extremely tired. It is always better to stop on a beautiful party than to wait for things to turn real ugly, It is time to accept reality and to accept that the trance culture did not prevail in New York City. Of course it was a great challenge, to offer an alternative artistic way of life in the capital of the money-driven wild capitalist world was one hell of a challenge and We, dreamers, managed to dream in a world that does not allow dreams for the last Four years! But today, while records shops are either closing, either refusing to distribute Trance any longer, while trance distributors are moving away from New York, while other productions are completely bankrupt, while legendary labels are disapearing or reconverting in Tech-House or progressive, we have to look at reality and accept that the Psy-Trance in U.S.A is really in a dead-end situation. There is a beautiful small family that I will miss to gather, but there are NO scene, no scene allowing us to survive independently, no Americans while we are in America, they did not embrace our revendications, our dreams, our music...
I guess in America they are too used to sugar-coated suppository music, they just want easy to swallow sounds to relax from their 10 hours a day work week. Because the quest in this country is not spiritual but material, which explains why in 5 years of trance in New York, we still don't have any electronic radio, any kind of sponsoring, no means of distribution and information, no specialized press, barely a spot to put flyers in the few shops there is, cops ready for action outside the parties if we distribute flyers in the street, etc...etc...etc... It cost too much for a too small audience, in other words it is a dead end ! Because no one had the balls to take a risk, people want sure money and as fast as possible. And for the very few who took risks such as Us or Tsunami or Spectra, well at the last Tsunami, the artist refused to play because of the lack of attendance, then the last Spectra, the artist did not show up and the venue closed its doors, about us at the last Synthetic, we barely reached 500 souls while we had more than double last year at the same date. The New York crowd is before all a club crowd, they are not interested in the underground, they are not even curious. In despite of all the amazing painters and deco artists we brang, in despite of stunning international line-ups, and a truly beautiful international crowd, in despite of venues with security that join us on the dancefloors, they are not curious. It is in a way the same mentality towards foreign subtitled movies, New Yorkers are lazy, it is too much work to read subtitles. Therefore there is only three or four independant movie theater in the pretendously capital of the world ! There is such a lack of artistic motivation, of spiritual communication...And even the rave productions are falling apart one after the other, the entire electronic culture is in decline in this country, only the VERY commercial, clubby house music still drive crowds today, but that's the way it is ! Personnally, Trance is too important in my life for me to reconvert myself with more commercial productions, I would never find the motivation if it is only about making some dough...I'd rather do something else, I have other ressources, other passions....I will miss it, I will miss all of you, but I retire with no regrets, I met so many great individuals, I have so many beautiful souvenirs and I found so much inspiration, these last ten years have been unforgettable....
And thanks to you guys who supported us, who believed in the Sadhus and shared this adventure with so much love... Thanks for all the smiles, for all your mails and for all your support, it is what kept me going for so long ! But Trance culture beliefs represents the antagonist concept of New York City's mentality, we represented a small knot of resistance in front of the ever growing sins of never ending greed, we proposed an other look on life, another approach to perceive and to feel, another way to love, a TRUE way and a REAL look, but then again it does not seem that human nature instinctively bends towards these directions, it requires thinking and efforts, will and determination, frankness versus fakeness, etc... Also and most importantly, the artists did change, the true pioneers, the unavoidable ones, the ones who guided us , who made us believe, really believe became an endangered species today, some of the new comers are arrogant, pretentious, greedy and a torture to work with and I feel relieve to know that I wonıt have to deal with those no more, those artists that pretend to embrace and to represent the trance culture but that want to travel only in Business class, cry because they stay in 200 $ a night hotels, are paid Thousands of dollars for a 2 hour set, make me rent thousands of $ of equipment they fake to use on stage, require to have as many hotel nights as they feel for their "holidays" in New york, sometimes even asking me to pay for their nights out before or after the party...I mean it is NEVER enough, artists like Alien "Reject" that could disguss any trance lovers from ever listening to this music again, cheap crooks....Thanks God I am only talking of a minority, because most of the talents I brang were great guys, passionate and humble, inspiring people that gave a face to the amazing tracks we heard...
I mean if you consider yourself as Madonna, go in the fucking show Business and do not pronounce the word underground, it is forbidden on Arsimıs lips...Just stay away from people who try to share a dream, because WE are true visionnaries a little too much in advance on their time... Anyway the Sadhus will always stay alive in our memories and who knows one of these days, on a magical night, a flyer might announce a surprise Synthetic gathering...We never know what the future holds...
Although it is the end of an era, it is also the beginning of a new one, but the foundations of the true tribe seem to have dispersed, at least in New York, let's keep all these magical nights and dawns alive in our memories, and remember Krisztina who filled with grace and beauty the most memorable of these Babylonian fragments of life in which we succeeded to form an entity....It is just an "Au revoir".....
And as always, with much Love, Peace & light....Synthetic Sadhus"
michael
www.atlantapsytrance.net
http://touchsamadhi.com/artists/michael-curran
http://soundcloud.com/sage2012
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PsyFire
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Posted : Aug 5, 2003 12:56
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I respect a lot of the things gilles said... as i'm sure he spoke from the heart.
However things must be put into perspective. Alien project has a lot of tracks that i like to listen to. Maybe him and gilles didn't get along on a personal level and although i think synthetic sadhus threw some good parties i will not bury Alien Project just yet...
Maybe if i were an organizer i would take this info into consideration but since i'm just your everyday trance lover... I can't lie and say that i don't like Alien Project's music.
Finally, if we implement all of what gilles said in this passage we wouldn't even be having this discussion in this forum right now. He basically sais that there is no scene here in new york and we should all go home....(perhaps using different words) because everything is rotten. I admit to being pesemistic at times but in this passage gilles seems to be burying the entire world. Let's not forget that he went through a personal tragedy and try to understand at least where some of his frustration from the human race orginates.
Maybe i was quick on the draw to completely lose faith in organizers here in New York but I guess I'm still waiting to see some results "out on the field" and not just people speculating and talking in the air.... It seems like every event is always pumped up by trance lovers like ourselves in this forum and too often it leads to disappointment regardless of who's at fault...
If it turns out that both parties on August 16th are great I'll be happy especially for people like me who are purely in it for the music. If the scene here in NY blossoms I'm sure it will be good for everyone...
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liat
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Posted : Aug 5, 2003 15:20
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Interesting psyfire, but here are some fun FACTS:
John Emmanuel has no office, as he ripped off one person too many. Yoni kicked him out of the office space with a court order. He has a voicemail, but that will probably go dead soon...
His last financial backer gave up after throwing more than 40 money losing parties (hmm maybe its the dates he chooses? He always insisted on throwing the parties on the same date as everyone else, because he wanted them to go broke.)
Very few were ever profitable, and of the 6 parties we promoted for him 1 Failed.
It failed because no on wanted to pay $27 to be in a small room with a weak sound system, ala CULTURE CLUB (a cheesy 80's CLUB. the place has a neon PAC MAN on the awning...)
When the people who paid saw how bad the sound was, and that there were no decorations, they called their friends and told them not to come.
I should know. the volume was so low I could hear other peoples conversations.
This is because John didnt want to pay $1000 more for sound reinforcement.
The few who did get stuck with no where else to go were pissed.
CB told john he should give a partial refund or a discount.
John said "fuck them, they will never remember"
CB insisted, and began to collect names for a reduced list for he next party.
When john actually gave those refunds at the Trancendental Love party, he became pissed again. He said "What the fuck? I had to give a discount to 80 people because of you, and no one remembers how good we are. They just remember the bad things."
I guess maybe its because very few things went as planned. (at that party Parasense didnt show. We later found out that John knew all along, But didnt want to lower the ticket price.)
CB reminded john that at 2am that the best costume at the party should get $100.
John said "Fuck them, what about me?"
Oh and that party that gilles referred to when the artist would not play was The Antidote, and it was this same party. He said the sound system was garbage, and refused to plug in his toshiba laptop.
We worked for him despite all the people who told us he was dishonest, and a sell out.
We believed we could re-finish his image as long as we delivered the goods when the time came.
Well we upped his website visits 100x but he couldn't keep his word because he almost never has signed contracts.
Even when he does, they are useless as he is no longer a company functioning with a valid tax i.d.(he can't pay the taxes).
So even when it was not his fault, (Estate closing), he has no recourse but to wait for the place to hopefully re-open (which it will, and he'll make another party from 11-till???).
Psyfire, it's ok to believe in something. Just recognize that I am not lying, this is not fiction. This is all true.
We were partners until we found out some other dirty secrets that are too juicy to leave to the public.
We no longer work with fakenami.
Why don't you ask someone about the Neuromotor party we threw at the Williamsburg Public House. It was packed and they begged us to do a monthly.
They even called us again because people asked about it. We were open 11pm to 8am.
No early closings, as we had contracts, and we are a legitimate company with a tax i.d. that could take recourse on behalf of the patrons.
Basically, John is a fraud, and w/o advice from someone in the scene, he has no idea who to book or where to do it.
If you want to handle his internet campaign you are going to need more than opinion to make people believe you.
Every time someone posts to tell people about one of his great parties, we will release more and more of the inner workings of this faker.
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PsyFire
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Posted : Aug 5, 2003 20:55
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On 2003-08-05 15:20, liat wrote:
Why don't you ask someone about the Neuromotor party we threw at the Williamsburg Public House. It was packed and they begged us to do a monthly.
....Basically, John is a fraud....If you want to handle his internet campaign you are going to need more than opinion to make people believe you. Every time someone posts to tell people about one of his great parties, we will release more and more of the inner workings of this faker. And we have many.
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For the record: I do not support Tsunami and I am not endorsing any of his events in any way. I was just as disappointed as everyone else with the most of the parties that he threw before he vanished for sometime. He most likely is a fraud and he is definately not trustworthy.
If you would have taken the time to carefully read my previous posts you would see that in most of them I myself am not sure about the credibility of the event or Tsunami himself which has managed to upset the entire New York scene - myself included.
When it occurred to me that both Tsunami and Hommega were on the same day i added an additional message to my original post saying that i think it's terrible for the NY trance scene that they are both on the same day....so there's no point in trying to claim that i myself am running a pro-tsunami campaign.The guy's a fraud, and if you don't like him - don't go to his events.
You were talking about throwing the neoromotor party in Brooklyn, that means that you work for and/or part of Global Trance. Oddly enough, if anybody wants to buy advance tickets for the tsunami party they would have to purchase them from Global Trance - who would also make a commission on it. If you don't believe me, just look at the invitation. So basically you are now being a hypocrite.
In addition, i can tell you first hand that tsunami isn't the only organizer in town who isn't exactly squeaky clean but rather then abusing this forum to expose different people for what they are i was merely posting the information about the event mainly because i like alien project as an artist.
Some people were very disappointed with Hommega's previous no-show event but are still very eager to see Talamasca and Xerox. I hope that they are going to be there giving kick-ass sets because i listen to their music as well, and have a lot of respect for both of them.
Finally, try spreading some good vibes around here...bad vibes always come back to you like a boomerang... you seem to spend more time trashing people than promoting your events...I don't know what all this hatred is about but I think it's a bit over the top - even if Tsunami is a crook.
Peace Love Light Respect
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Demi
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Posted : Aug 5, 2003 22:53
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in big cities everywhere is the same shit-spreading co! same shit in moscow.
dont analize, just create and ppl will show up!
good luck
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liat
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Posted : Aug 6, 2003 04:10
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whoa! what happend? he's right. i just needed to vent. next time ill pm this crap.
anyway this post should be about cosma, so may someone please take it there... |
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Chaka Laka
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Posted : Aug 12, 2003 00:27
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hello dudes ... lets hope for a good party ! NY will never be infected with trance - but as a capital of the world (i agree to that) it has a small corner for everybody and sure there is a bounch of trancers outhere !! so , i'm all expecting the Saturday night , no matter who's the organaizer just to see all u local trancers  haven't been here for 4 years ...
btw , i met here some ex-russian/israeli gals , they told me about some open-air raves , completely friendly and descret , that they use to arrange in a while ... smth i actually didn't expect to happen in NY area .. so there're still underground movement here , and it's up to all the ppl from the lane better then to some big organizations .. keep the spirit ! and god bless your 
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KosMos
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Posted : Aug 12, 2003 10:40
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i wish i could come there...
have fun guys... for Cosma...
it will be great event...
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SmokedSalmon
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 08:08
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To all the Trance People of the tri-State area,
We are doing MEMORY COSMA party in NYC on August 16th 2003 we very upset to see that Tsunami picks the same exact date we choose to make a party each and every time. Altough our flyers have been printed out 1 month ago still John Emmanuel had the arrangements to make his party at the same day with the same type of music.
We appreciate all the efforts made on bringing Psy-Trance artists to this side of the planet.But making another party on the same day does not necessarily support the idea. Everyone knows a bigger crowd is a better atmosphere for parties and breaking it just means breaking the fun for ALL! Is that what John Emmanuel wants? And why would he want such a thing? Makes us wonder.
We simply do NOT have a huge psy-trance audience in tri-state area that would fill up two huge dance floors at the same time. Wish we had.
This email is not intended to make things any harder than it is for anyone. We just want to get John Emmanuel's attention and possibly his cooperation on the future dates of psy-trance events in NYC. We will do anything possible and we are open to any suggestions not to coincide any future events for the sake of audience.
Peace. Hoping to see you all at COSMA'S !!!
FROM ALL THE TRANCE PARTY PRODUCERS IN NYC!
BOYCOTT TSUNAMi.!!! |
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Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 08:59
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We still haven't heard what this has to do with Cosma. It's really not nice to throw his name around like this. I hope they aren't trying to tell people to come to their party and not Tsunami's because of this.
Both teams played hard |
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SmokedSalmon
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 09:50
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yes that's what practically this letter is trying to say. |
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liat
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Posted : Aug 13, 2003 16:23
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Don't worry folks the clear choice is no faknami. That club thing closes @ 5am.
(and serves no liquor, beer, wine, just water and soda.) |
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