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New enemy?

Ben-G


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Posted : Apr 5, 2006 16:44
Tzahi, after reading Yuli's post and your post i changed my position.
The reason for parties being so shitty today is both organizers and crowd fault.

Crowd- asking for too much, want good lineup and good people and cheap ticket, want the organizers to kiss their feet for coming to the party.
Organizers- Take water and alcohol at the entrance, making bar prices very high, think everybody should kiss their feet just for making a party.

But i'll tell you another thing that bothers me.
There are 2 party productions/organizers/whatever that i know very well for more then 3 years now (the other one for more then 7 years), both of them not working at all, making their living from the parties that they make. Now if somebody like them can make so much profit from the parties so they don't need to work, it means there is money in this "business" and that people who know how to make parties and organize it well do see profit from these parties. Both pro' charge a lot for a ticket, have shitty locations (usually) and their bar prices are very high. from this i learn that it is possible to make parties for a small profit, sell in normal prices in the bar, have an OK location, and everybody will be happy. It all depends if you know how to do it. I don't know, this is why i don't make parties.

@shamanizer- here we have so many over-lapping parties, just look at party promotions section and see the dates of parties in israel. this also shows that there is money in this business, this is why so many people make parties (imo).

Conclusion- trance parties became just like every other business in israel, people see its working and hot and that they can make profit from it so they start making parties. Some do it from their love to trance and not for profit but the competition is too hard for them, especialy when they try to keep their crowd only good people.
A question to all of you- let's say there are 2 partys on the same day, #1- small party, nice location, only good people, nice lineup. #2- big party, shitty problematic location, might be a mixed crowd but the best lineup you can get.
Which party will you go to?
Think about it...
shamanizer


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Posted : Apr 5, 2006 17:34
I'm sure just about 100% of the people in here would go to a smaller party, i would anyways, no doubt about it.
Yuli
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Posted : Apr 5, 2006 18:43
That is the good point to all party goers

Choose well where to go and dont go just because its weekend and u have to go out

If u will make the wise decisions, organisers will have no choice but to invest in their crowd.

But as long there will be 90% of population going to events blindly, there will be all u dislike to see and receive as a party goer.

Party ppl u should make the difference!!           A man with a "master plan" is often a woman
huga_generation
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 10:08
[quote]
On 2006-04-05 18:43, Yuli wrote:
That is the good point to all party goers

Choose well where to go and dont go just because its weekend and u have to go out

If u will make the wise decisions, organisers will have no choice but to invest in their crowd.

But as long there will be 90% of population going to events blindly, there will be all u dislike to see and receive as a party goer.

Party ppl u should make the difference!!

[/quote]

hey yuli, again my man u seek utopia, i wish some of what u think would have ring some ppl's bell's but i just dont see it happen,
and it's not the old trancers generation that's concern us, it's the new one that makes the mistakes every week.
STOP GOING TO MONEY PARTIES AND BITCH ABOUT THE WAY U WERE TREATED LATER!!           Bottom Line Presents
The new minimal techno haifa line
saturday night. The 14/03/09
With: EMOTIVE (SPINTWIST)> ZOMBI(PLUSQUAM) Vs EVEGENY (BEEF REC)> LOUD (DRIVE REC,techno set)
Yuli
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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 12:21
Well Huga I agree with you but on more personal level I have a problem with your statement. Why? Because it automatically means that if I agree then there is no chance for me to hear Ian from XDream or Ticon or FREq for rest of my life because those acts are full professional musicians and demand decent payment for their performance and hence the chance of them playing in a hat party is close to zilch.

With all due respect to the talent and good will of the totally underground producers and DJ's in many cases their skills are not in the level of those I just named, and to be perfectly fair and not two faced, I guess it is easy to say that if they were of the same quality they wouldnt stay in the underground just because of the cause.

So those so called "money parties" are something that is inevitable, as long as u want to keep the highest end artist to play their tunes here. And we come back to square number one where the crowd should decide with their feet about who gives them their money's worth.
          A man with a "master plan" is often a woman
huga_generation
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 13:04
hey yuli mate, we dont agree about tate issue and that's obiuos.
i have 1/10 expirence than u, BUT i leanred one thing, a party with underground vibe and less expensive atrists, get much much better reasults than every big arsits name .
there is only one prod that can bring good artis from abroad without it would be a money party, and that's the way it should be, all the rest are bad parties,
or take big money losses after them
i'd rather to hear u 100 times over ticon or x-dream(same level i think, u just less famous) in an underground party and all i care less and pardon me, the investment just aint worth it.
when u invest in a big artist it's becoming a money party no matter what u'r plans are.
the ticket is higher and the budject is big
most ppl dont care about 2 houres of great music in a party, as i said in one of my previous posts, they just wanna have fun and still be able to by cigarets and put some gazoline in the tank on the way home.
no matter how good is your party, it's just another friday night, and there's no reason in the world that it should cost to us orginaizers so much and same thing goes to party goers.
i'm not talking about hat parties, but even a regullar party costs something around 15 grand if u try to keep the quality.
so as far as i see it, everage budjet parties are the most fair thing to do for all sides, it's about karma, when u give u get back, and for me the crowd comes before the music, and it means, at least in israel they i should think of their pocket before i charge more(justify or not) at the door.
i hope u understand my point of view.           Bottom Line Presents
The new minimal techno haifa line
saturday night. The 14/03/09
With: EMOTIVE (SPINTWIST)> ZOMBI(PLUSQUAM) Vs EVEGENY (BEEF REC)> LOUD (DRIVE REC,techno set)
Yuli
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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 13:22
Surely I understand and agree and a little flushed hehe

But fact is a fact is a fact, damn I havent seen XDream since that unforgettable night @ Yom Haazmaut 1998 in a private party in the Forum Beer Sheva. Damn I wanted to hear their music so many times and just couldnt stand the idea of being surrounded with violent atmosphere outrageous bar prices and so much ego.

Still, I wish I could hear them since in their field they are the leaders and it is very special feeling when someone of their level messes up with yer mind.           A man with a "master plan" is often a woman
Yuli
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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 13:26
PS and I will stray a bit from my rule not to talk about myself, but I came to a decision in my life, that the basis of it was that playing for good ppl is more important than arranging my economic future. This might proove as a good idea for now but a very bad one for long run. I completely understand artists that think of their future and give a fair price for their skills.           A man with a "master plan" is often a woman
huga_generation
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Apr 10, 2006 13:37
they do have great music, i'll wait for the boom fest and hopfully they will play there:)
i remember a party in tel baruch beatch in 99, i think the name of production was by 2 girls gal&tal with tim schuldt too
what a massive party it was, but those days are over, and we cannot listen to it in a party with friendly atmosphere, too bad, maybe it will change some day, who knows...           Bottom Line Presents
The new minimal techno haifa line
saturday night. The 14/03/09
With: EMOTIVE (SPINTWIST)> ZOMBI(PLUSQUAM) Vs EVEGENY (BEEF REC)> LOUD (DRIVE REC,techno set)
Mat N
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posts :  1211
Posted : Apr 10, 2006 14:43
Quote:

On 2006-04-10 13:37, huga_generation wrote:
they do have great music, i'll wait for the boom fest and hopfully they will play there:)
i remember a party in tel baruch beatch in 99, i think the name of production was by 2 girls gal&tal with tim schuldt too
what a massive party it was, but those days are over, and we cannot listen to it in a party with friendly atmosphere, too bad, maybe it will change some day, who knows...




remember that party and i have some pics from it- they played Pacemaker on sunrise
Elad
Tsabeat/Sattel Battle

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Posted : Apr 11, 2006 01:29
Quote:

On 2006-03-26 22:51, Oran wrote:

1)how the hell did we got into this situation?

2)why the hell ppl(yes you) keep supporting this "production" and then come back here to bitch about the "treatment" they got?

3)what can we do about it?what are we going to do about it?




its pritty obvious, the first Q answer is also the key to Q 3 , and in Q 2 there are all the answers.           www.sattelbattle.com
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