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Oran
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Posted : Mar 26, 2006 22:51
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Remember the days when arsim and cops were the enemy?
Well it looks as if this days are long gone....
Party orgenizers...
Just few "events" from last weekend...
1)A friend got hospitalized with severe injuries after he got beaten at a party by the security...(i won't elaborate on this now but trust me when the time will come you will all know)
2)Ppl's water is taken at the entrance to the party...(maybe i thought it was o.k once but lately it just got disgustin)
3)Ppl that bought presale tickets were not allowed in.
I developed the talent to spot those parties from a mile...but i guess not everyone did...so some time it bother me to read those reviews..like..wtf?did you expected?
But still we all want to have some fun and most importent to come back home safe...
So....my questions are...
1)how the hell did we got into this situation?
2)why the hell ppl(yes you) keep supporting this "production" and then come back here to bitch about the "treatment" they got?
3)what can we do about it?what are we going to do about it?
Take care...
With hope for a better future.
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evgeny@aero-groove
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Posted : Mar 26, 2006 23:36
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Oran
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Posted : Mar 26, 2006 23:43
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On 2006-03-26 23:36, evgeny@aero-groove wrote:
Man this ain't new, such stuff was always there...
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True...but read the reviews section...it got realy worse lately...
can we accept with this situation?
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evgeny@aero-groove
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 00:05
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shamanizer
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 09:48
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Hmm, it shouldn't be relevant how experienced you are as a party goer. Its up to organisers to create safe and enjoyable atmosphere and to set appropiate guidelines for the staff. I'm not sure if this topic is related to nature gatherings or clubs or both, but I don't recall this sort of problems in nature parties, but then again, its been years since I went to these parties in Israel.
What comes to the clubs in Israel its just ugly. Selectors, bouncers and staff with mile high egos showing off. That sort of atmosphere is doomed to generate unrest. |
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evgeny@aero-groove
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 10:09
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On 2006-03-27 09:48, shamanizer wrote:
Hmm, it shouldn't be relevant how experienced you are as a party goer. Its up to organisers to create safe and enjoyable atmosphere and to set appropiate guidelines for the staff.
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That is more than obvious that this should be, and yes there are some orgz like that...
but common man this is reality
I'm not talking about what should or should not be be i'm saying how it is.
And it is also more than obvious that some people would worry more on how to earn money for them selves and worry less about how comftarble you will feel @ a party...and this goes beyound the party scene that's life amigo
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Mat N
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 14:10
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On 2006-03-26 22:51, Oran wrote:
Remember the days when arsim and cops were the enemy?
Well it looks as if this days are long gone....
Party orgenizers...
Just few "events" from last weekend...
1)A friend got hospitalized with severe injuries after he got beaten at a party by the security...(i won't elaborate on this now but trust me when the time will come you will all know)
2)Ppl's water is taken at the entrance to the party...(maybe i thought it was o.k once but lately it just got disgustin)
3)Ppl that bought presale tickets were not allowed in.
I developed the talent to spot those parties from a mile...but i guess not everyone did...so some time it bother me to read those reviews..like..wtf?did you expected?
But still we all want to have some fun and most importent to come back home safe...
So....my questions are...
1)how the hell did we got into this situation?
2)why the hell ppl(yes you) keep supporting this "production" and then come back here to bitch about the "treatment" they got?
3)what can we do about it?what are we going to do about it?
Take care...
With hope for a better future.
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answers:
1) We got into this situation because of the "New Israeli Mentality", or in short- NIM.
2 major factors of the NIM is A: to be popular and famous in "A Star is Born" Style. B: to get rich, and as quick as u can (Ya'ani- bemaka).
these 2 factors have something in common: they need to be instant, and not a result of hard work for years.
when NIM people penetrate to trance party organization, the result is the same:
all of the sudden u get tons of pictures on Layla from nature "underground" parties, party organizations who exist maybe 1 year are printing "production logo t-shirts" (imo so people will know who is the king of the party), and when they send SMS to people and even sell them presale tickets, they don't necessarily allow the people to enter the party.
2) people keep supporting them because they are not actual people- they are fake usernames, or people who want to be cool.
3) i don't know what we can do about it, but i know what i have been personally done to avoid nature parties like these- i go to parties of people who have dayjobs, and don't plan to live on money they do from "underground" parties. this is a proof for me that they don't produce money parties, but fun parties.
a few examples for good nature party organistaions (and i don't mind doing this "promotion" because these people deserve it) : Doof, 3rd Empire, Moksha, Tushita, Shula, Enfield, Tribal and more.
from my knowledge, most of the people who stand behind these names make living from other jobs, and not from party making. besides, they do these parties for at least 2 years (some of them even for 8-10 years)and usually without mass promotion.
good topic btw, too bad only 3 people take part in this thread  .
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Optimistic Suicide
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 14:54
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Well last friday I was at a party that from a 2 z was bad...
Never thought I could be in that place and still come 2 this forum but I'm sure that who ever did what he did don't know english so...
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/84581/forum/50/start/15
Read what I wrote there...
The worst thing about those production is that they blamed it on us and after some1 took our bag and we sttoped the music...
Some1 else came and kept on playing and thats the WORST thing ever...
I think they should of stopped the music...
And b/c I said what I had 2 say they sent the guards 2 kick us out...
I wish all of the so called "production" will learn that the ppl and artists are 1st!!!!
Then your money...
Hope it wont happen again 2 any 1 b/c it was a NIGHTMARE...
And the thing I can do about it is 2 talk and write here about it.. If u have an idea share with me..
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huga_generation
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 16:40
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mat n- i must agree with each and every word u wrote!
besides that, i really cannot explain why people keep going to these kind of parties time after time, maybe that's what they like , maybe most people just dont know about good parties and they wanna have fun so they go to whatever they know about.
from the other hand, i can understand why bottles of water and alcohol were taken away, i dont do it myself when i make parties, cuz i think it's rude and to take from a person what he own is very bad vibe for sure
BUT people today bring a litle fridge( it seems tottally logical to bring few beers or a battle of vodka and 2 bottles of water imo) with them and that is RUDE just as well!!, just like make fun of the production in their face.
about this isuue i accept both sides.
about violante security- it's just something i cannot understand , if someone didnt make any kind of trouble why the hell he should be hit???
i say parties with violante security is the hardest issue here, and next time one of u bitch in this forum about vilolante security dont stop here, and file a complain in the closest police station against the company and even press charges!!
hope for better future as well:)
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Riton
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 16:51
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Holy shit guys...
that's fucking horrible...
im not that involved with the underground scene even though id love to know about all the most underground nature parties...
But let's put it that way...
Im the kind of person with a very rare condition...
Everytime i hear trance and i dance, im forced to smile. All the time, every beat of every track. And not that fake smile, that big wow this is the best time of my life smile. And it's not the drugs, if you're wondering.
I just have to, regardless of the subgenre, dark, progressive, anything. I just smile...
And anything besides that at a party just appauls me.
Hope i contributed.
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Oran
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 17:00
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On 2006-03-27 14:10, Mat N wrote:
good topic btw, too bad only 3 people take part in this thread .
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Too bad...indeed....cause some of the ppl we are talking about here only knows three sections of the forum parties promotion/review/gallery where they use to promote theirself...maybe we should move it there?
Nice post matan...very interesting points you got there.
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Mat N
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 17:04
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On 2006-03-27 16:40, huga_generation wrote:
from the other hand, i can understand why bottles of water and alcohol were taken away, i dont do it myself when i make parties, cuz i think it's rude and to take from a person what he own is very bad vibe for sure
BUT people today bring a litle fridge( it seems tottally logical to bring few beers or a battle of vodka and 2 bottles of water imo) with them and that is RUDE just as well!!, just like make fun of the production in their face.
about this isuue i accept both sides.
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i agree.
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evgeny@aero-groove
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 17:06
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shamanizer
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 17:10
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Like I said before its been a long while since I used to go to parties in Israel (well in fact I was in one party a year ago or so when I was visiting Israel, but it was nicely organised) and its sad to hear if the scene has taken that kind of direction there. But like its possible to read from here not all the productions are that bad. I have very nice memories from gatherings in Israel and I hope there's still the same old spirit somewhere down there  .
And yea, water is a basic need and shouldn't be taken away from anyone. |
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huga_generation
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Posted : Mar 27, 2006 17:36
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evgeny- as i said, i think that 2 big bottles of water is sutible, and logical , if every car in the party will bring this amount of water all the party goers will have heanaf water to drink, to make cofee, and even wash their hands!, if u wanna understand where this phenomenen came, it's beacuze of people who were taking it too far, like bring 6 big pack of water and all kind of alcoholic bevarges as well, it's just rude and apperantly orginaizers felt like childish people spit in ther face,
now dont get me wrong, as i said, i dont do it in my parties, but i belive most of the people that come work their had in a logic way like most of us, and come with normal amount of bavrages from home.
p.s- i must say i dont really see your point cuz what u wrote has nothing to do with what i wrote in my previous post.
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