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shamanizer
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Posted : Mar 30, 2006 19:10
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Very nice thread all in all, hopefully people will take time to read things written here and learn. Like I said I have very fond memories from parties in Israel, but it was years ago now, but if people will actually take advice from things written here the old vibe will be back again. No greed, just share joy and belonging. |
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Ben-G
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Posted : Mar 30, 2006 19:21
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On 2006-03-30 19:10, shamanizer wrote:
Very nice thread all in all, hopefully people will take time to read things written here and learn. Like I said I have very fond memories from parties in Israel, but it was years ago now, but if people will actually take advice from things written here the old vibe will be back again. No greed, just share joy and belonging.
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I'm very sorry to say this about "my own people", but the greed in israel is a very strong thing, the quality of partys just goes lower, people don't do it just for fun anymore, now its either for money or some kind of publicity.
This is a thing we should learn from the europeans, come to a party to share and enjoy, not stay stuck inyourself, or to gain reputation... |
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Ananda604
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Posted : Mar 30, 2006 20:39
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well i've learnt a few things according to recent parties....
1)never bring something precious on you
2)try to get a ride and never take your own car (its so heartbreaking to see it got broken into)
3)drink all the way to the party and finish the booze
4)not buy presale
5)try to AVOID these parties 
etc...
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outdoor79
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Posted : Mar 31, 2006 00:26
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On 2006-03-30 19:21, Ben-G wrote:
I'm very sorry to say this about "my own people", but the greed in israel is a very strong thing, the quality of partys just goes lower, people don't do it just for fun anymore, now its either for money or some kind of publicity.
This is a thing we should learn from the europeans, come to a party to share and enjoy, not stay stuck inyourself, or to gain reputation...
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On 2006-03-28 18:48, Nomolos(Zenon Rec.) wrote:
to sum all this up.....
if its good-GO!
its shit-DONT!
fuck greedy people!
fuck dumb ass party goers that cant see anything beyond being part of a "scene" and are willing to be treated like shit for it!
i have some friends that bitch about a certian party org' in Israel for making commercial parties for non trancers BUT the same Org' is the most friendly most proffesional around and ALLWAYS takes maximum care of its devoted crowed!(entrance not too much,u can bring in whatever u want and the prices inside are allso very fare) and that is the reason 1000+ people are a usual thing for them.....WATCH,LEARN and APPRICIATE!!!!
Cheers.
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that's the spirit, and this way it a model for me, i use to do this in all of my parties.. and now as only solo prod i will beck to this..
the problem is not the greedy (not me 4 sure)
the problem is in macking party in VERY EXPANSSIVE!
like this:
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* laction: 4,000-10'000 NIS (if it pirat, it may close and get some trial or financial penalty )
* sound (2 sets turbo sound +pioneer plata+some ultra) = 3,500 - 5,500 + generator = 1000-1500
* line up: friends line up: 2000-5000
"haevy imrassive line up (act from abroud) amy cost all - 7000-15,000
* security - 3000-4500 NIS
* deco + shadow area - 1000-2000 NIS
* SMS's + uther promotion - 1500 - 3000 NIS
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A LOT OF CASH = BIG CHANCE TO LOSE
and who lose it?
the beutiful crowd?
the Dj's?
the propety ouwnes?
NO!!
the "GREEDY" orgnaizers do...
or should i say.. my bluddy benk account (in my case) 
so, good ppl of our forum, do you like losing TONS of cash??
why don't you make parties?
and if it so money macking.. come on and make some...
well it's not!!
you cannot know what a HUGE HAEDACkKS IT MAKES!!
i did ^6^ years of trance parties with like - 35-40 paries, must of them i did lost money..
a littel of them i earn some Pocket money..
and every time ppl always have complaning, some more , some less.. a little soport
i tell you one last thing:
IF IT WASN'T COME FROM pure LOVE .. I WOULD BECOME INSANE..
Never give up on your love ..
nature raves forever!!!
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Oran
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Posted : Mar 31, 2006 01:27
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Tzahi...its a little sad you didnt got the point after so many parties...i got it after my 1st party that i lost "some" money...
Its like a law in buisness,you want to make money?you have to invest money..next time dont invest and youll see you wont lose...
Who said you must have 2 sets of turbo a killer line up and a private property in order to make a great party?
Check this for example:
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/41407/forum/50
That party must have cost about the same as only the sms you are using for your parties...and still it was the best party ive been to atleast in the last 3 years...
To bad the new generation of trancers were raised to belive you must have 1000 ppl in a party and atleast one abroad artist in order to it to be a killlerggghhh party....
oh well....at least the real good ones stayes "clean" Always agressive never progressive. |
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outdoor79
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Posted : Mar 31, 2006 11:25
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i got the point oran.. long time ago..
but all this beutiful hat party that we all like to do is highlly risky from the sourse
in this party, (alexsender woods) there wasn't security, so if someone would risk the ppl with stupid things, like happand a lot, sedlly in our days..
and like a kova party there wasn't any permits, so ppl could be very disspointed when the "manayek" can close it if they want to..
but one thing you are totally rigth!!
underground hat party are the best!!!
tzahi
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nature raves forever!!!
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Oran
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Posted : Mar 31, 2006 11:32
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Tzahi..i wasnt talking about hat parties...it was just an example...you can make an amazing parties with a budget of 5000-1000 with a break even of 200 ppl when charging 50nis and even less...great party isnt about the number of turbo's or how many abroad artists are on your line up although some productions want us to belive it is...
about the police well....its part of the game...it always was...if you take that risk out of the equation by using permits you kind of missing something imo...and i must say i prefer a busted underground part.y than an open commercial one where the water is taken from the crowd and other shit...
but hey,thats just me...
come tonight...you will see...
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outdoor79
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Posted : Mar 31, 2006 12:11
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yes i will come 
and i'll be happy to see you too
cheers for that
joy and happiness to all of us
tzahi
Never give up on your love ..
nature raves forever!!!
always fly@lapland.airlines
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Riton
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Posted : Mar 31, 2006 17:23
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Is there a nice underground party tonight?
If there is, any chance one of y'all could slip me a pm please?
Would be greatly appreciated, sick of them commercial BS parties...
PLUR,
Dav
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Yuli
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Posted : Apr 1, 2006 02:38
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I will try to have a go on this. There are a few points that I totally agree with and one that I totally disagree with, and actually I once have already opened this subject and was crusified @ that attempt...
Alcohol and water @ a party...
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/16763/forum/50
That's a topic of a party that I made with my partner at that time and a good friend Yossi ( Com.post )... We did this in a killer spot with a very interesting line up, highlight of which was Mapusa Mapusa morning set first time in Israel. We had around 300 ppl @ this event and already knew we would loose quite a bit ( we needed 400 tickets to cover expenses ) but we lost much more because our bar didnt work at all since everyone came with personal refridgerator to that party.
There are restaurants that have BYO on their door which means the customers allowed to bring their own alcohol into premises and to use it... But usually it is not legal/polite to bring your own drinks when u go to a restaurant. One of the factors for party to hold financially is the party goers to drink at the bar. This is not new and has no connection to greediness. ( Needless to say that @ that party I have mentioned the bar prices were really easy on the customers ).
Now.. These days.. Our average trancer thought is that production should thank him for even attending the event. Some wont come if they are not invited for free.. Some wont come if they have no discount ticket.. This winter I brought Liquid Soul Live from switzerland together with Assaf Nachum to our Bliss venue and we decided that no freebees will be given to this party since otherwise we are doomed. 90% of those 'hardcore' progressive trance lovers just didnt appear.
Surely there are a lot of organizations that are greedy and look for quick profit, the prices at their bars are totally revolting and the treatment to their customers is under any normal standard I agree... But the typical Israeli trancer of today in general, is very much spoiled, doesnt know to appreciate art even if that was stuck under his nose ( surely not to pay for it... ), and basically not less greedy than those organizers I have mentioned.
and pardon me for being blunt but this is the truth about our scene today
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huga_generation
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Posted : Apr 2, 2006 01:23
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i tried to read this thread as an "outsider" and i found it very funny and sad as well.
orginaizers expect party goers will apriciate their hard work and party goers expect just everything from the producers, most of the things we say here are being examine only from one, yes just one point of view. what i mean is, most of ravers that go to parties dont have so much expectations from a party they just wanna come and have a good time, the typical crowd wants to bring all bavrages he's car can hold , pay a normal price at the door and just have fun.
most of the crowd just dont care if u brought an artists from abroad, rented a private property, or whaever, and imo, they are right!!
most orginaizer i know make the same mistake when they belive in their heart that the party they gonna make is going to be the most speciall party ever!, they put all their heart and money into the production, what makes them charge more at the door and make stupid things like taking the water.
we all need to understand, every party for most of the party goers is just another friday night, probably most people will go to some other party a week afterwith no loyalty to specific production , i think that if more orginaizers will stop trying to "save " the scene and will just make regular level parties with regular budjet and regular prices, undeground scene will be back alive
hope for better future...
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greenforestdancers
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Posted : Apr 4, 2006 14:04
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first of all...i sweare if i see handfights in trance parties it makes me sick.
i got in to this scene for peace.
bad productions we shuld know about them
and we wont go to the.
we are all humain and on the dancfloore we
battle but its not a hate war dont be a f**k. |
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greenforestdancers
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Posted : Apr 4, 2006 14:06
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i dont go to clubs.
i dont go to pubs.
and i bairly dance eny more becuse the uglyness.
peace. |
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outdoor79
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Posted : Apr 5, 2006 12:41
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On 2006-04-01 02:38, Yuli wrote:
I will try to have a go on this. There are a few points that I totally agree with and one that I totally disagree with, and actually I once have already opened this subject and was crusified @ that attempt...
Alcohol and water @ a party...
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/16763/forum/50
That's a topic of a party that I made with my partner at that time and a good friend Yossi ( Com.post )... We did this in a killer spot with a very interesting line up, highlight of which was Mapusa Mapusa morning set first time in Israel. We had around 300 ppl @ this event and already knew we would loose quite a bit ( we needed 400 tickets to cover expenses ) but we lost much more because our bar didnt work at all since everyone came with personal refridgerator to that party.
There are restaurants that have BYO on their door which means the customers allowed to bring their own alcohol into premises and to use it... But usually it is not legal/polite to bring your own drinks when u go to a restaurant. One of the factors for party to hold financially is the party goers to drink at the bar. This is not new and has no connection to greediness. ( Needless to say that @ that party I have mentioned the bar prices were really easy on the customers ).
Now.. These days.. Our average trancer thought is that production should thank him for even attending the event. Some wont come if they are not invited for free.. Some wont come if they have no discount ticket.. This winter I brought Liquid Soul Live from switzerland together with Assaf Nachum to our Bliss venue and we decided that no freebees will be given to this party since otherwise we are doomed. 90% of those 'hardcore' progressive trance lovers just didnt appear.
Surely there are a lot of organizations that are greedy and look for quick profit, the prices at their bars are totally revolting and the treatment to their customers is under any normal standard I agree... But the typical Israeli trancer of today in general, is very much spoiled, doesnt know to appreciate art even if that was stuck under his nose ( surely not to pay for it... ), and basically not less greedy than those organizers I have mentioned.
and pardon me for being blunt but this is the truth about our scene today
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Totally agree with every word yuli..
ppl in israel have too much parties 4 them to appreciate it..
look at ppl in europ (poland,hungary,kroatia) look how they appreciate trance prod, i been there and sow a diferrent world!!
i think i had enohth of losing what left of my benk accuont, if ppl wont to have party make it your self and you will see how fucking HARD is that.
tzahi
Lapland pro
Never give up on your love ..
nature raves forever!!!
always fly@lapland.airlines
when gazolin is so high, choose the natural way to fly.. LapLand's gooses ruells air.. |
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shamanizer
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Posted : Apr 5, 2006 13:56
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For example, on average, there's only one event per weekend in Finland and people usually pay respect to it. Organizers even try not to arrange over-lapping parties, but then again, its relatively small scene in here.
Problem is the size of a country like Finland, most events take place in southern Finland and if you happen to live up north its very time consuming and expensive to go to a party, so people who come to parties, even from far away, do appreciate them as well and naturally organizers appreciate people for coming to a party even if the distance is very long. And as far as I'm aware there are not that bad productions in Finland at all.
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