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Neo Goa/Neo Psy

OzMike
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jan 24, 2014 22:43
Without feeding the troll, yes a lot of the melodies and rhythmic patterns contain cut copy elements but there a definite techniques & basslines that are only found in the post-Goa scene used is much of the "neo" scene this adding a small but definite element of "new" or maybe modern to the Goa style.

Either way it has served a good purporse for me as a means to introduce the younger generation to the goa sound rather than thinking Neelix & his clones are the only definition of Goa sound.

There will never again be the sound of the 90's except for the work of labels like DAT, Zion604 & Anjuna records           Revisiting the past.
tubular


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Posted : Jan 25, 2014 00:56
Quote:

On 2014-01-24 22:43, OzMike wrote:
Without feeding the troll, yes a lot of the melodies and rhythmic patterns contain cut copy elements but there a definite techniques & basslines that are only found in the post-Goa scene used is much of the "neo" scene this adding a small but definite element of "new" or maybe modern to the Goa style.

Either way it has served a good purporse for me as a means to introduce the younger generation to the goa sound rather than thinking Neelix & his clones are the only definition of Goa sound.

There will never again be the sound of the 90's except for the work of labels like DAT, Zion604 & Anjuna records




its so funny how about every thread in this forum, someone must use the troll word. Back in the day this scene had better intellect than that, the scene then understood perception. for better words, back in the day the people within this scene used their minds at psychedelic levels instead of using the troll card to hide their weak minds. if you read something and your instant reaction is troll then you have an issue within yourself. i havent read every post here yet but so far there isnt any trolls.

Do you even know why they named the style back in the 90's Goa?

names like neo goa and neo psy with soon to come neo fullon are proof that the innovation this scene once had is gone.

if you want to introduce the younger generation to the goa sound, then stop being so complicated and play the goa sound for them, there is over ten years of it to be heard.
OzMike
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jan 25, 2014 10:52
using their minds at psychedelic levels. That's hilarious. I was around and involved since about '88 with the sounds in Goa. So yeah I do kinda have an idea about it all. I also learnt to grow up & understand neo goa is just a genre name. It's all just names. What it comes done to for me is if a track is good to me or if it's not good.

Anyway neo full on has already been done http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/yse/yse2cd922.html

And nah, except for some of the remastered reissues most the old stuff sounds like crap on modern sound systems.           Revisiting the past.
Suntrip Records
Suntrip Records

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Posted : Jan 29, 2014 21:37
If you like your modern goa-trance more sinister, acidic and with a darker edge... Check out the new E-Mantra album, it will be a classic, i'm sure

http://forum.isratrance.com/suntrip-presents-e-mantra-nemesis-acidic-old-school-goa-trance/

ps: I HATE names like Neo Goa... it's simply goa-trance! Since the 90s this music had a name. Melodic & Acidic trance with a 4/4 rhythm and psychedelic effects was called goa-trance. So, why do we need to rename it now? In rock, they still call modern rock, ROCK, and not neo-rock...
TimeTraveller
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Posted : Jan 30, 2014 02:02
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On 2014-01-29 21:37, Suntrip Records wrote:


ps: I HATE names like Neo Goa... it's simply goa-trance! Since the 90s this music had a name. Melodic & Acidic trance with a 4/4 rhythm and psychedelic effects was called goa-trance. So, why do we need to rename it now? In rock, they still call modern rock, ROCK, and not neo-rock...



+1000

all this neo pseudo new prename is really bullshit and maybe worth a short laugh but nothing more. It is just Goa at its finest and modernst.
The way Goa Music exists in our present time. Simple as that.
btw keep up the good work Suntrip Records! Respect

tubular


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Posted : Feb 4, 2014 19:33
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On 2014-01-25 10:52, OzMike wrote:
using their minds at psychedelic levels. That's hilarious. I was around and involved since about '88 with the sounds in Goa. So yeah I do kinda have an idea about it all. I also learnt to grow up & understand neo goa is just a genre name. It's all just names. What it comes done to for me is if a track is good to me or if it's not good.

Anyway neo full on has already been done http://www.psyshop.com/shop/CDs/yse/yse2cd922.html

And nah, except for some of the remastered reissues most the old stuff sounds like crap on modern sound systems.




awesome that you understood the depths of my humor with psychedelic mind usage, something the mainstreamed minds within this scene has stopped doing which has reflected in the music and names like "neo".

since you have been involved since 88 then perhaps you could tell us about the music on the beaches in Goa back then. what was the track in 88 that pounded the minds a new direction and setting the foundation for Goa trance to be labeled in 1993?

this will help in growing up and provide better detail that Neo Goa is a genre name for the lack of psychedelic mind sets.
Maine Coon
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Mar 20, 2014 20:22
Why argue about names?
Yes, "neo" means "new". It does not mean that it is new forever, just that it is newer than the original. Neoclassical economics is over 100 years old and neoplatonic philosophy is almost 2000 years old. The names just pay tribute to the roots or the sources of inspiration. Neoclassical economists built on the classics and neoplatonic school built on the teachings of Plato, adding their own twists in the process. So, why not see neo-Goa the same way?

As for production vs inspiration debate, I'd take pure inspiration over pure production quality any time.

That said, we have to recognize that this is an artificial question. It is never 100% on one end and 0% on the other. You need some production/performance quality to deliver your inspiration and you need some inspiration to make your production worthwhile. So, why are we arguing about some made-up unrealistic extremes?

Maine Coon
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Posted : Mar 20, 2014 20:27
About new being a bad version of old - that's true about pretty much everything. It has very little to do with the music and a lot to do with the listener.

Is there boring, unoriginal, formulaic neo-Goa music? You bet. Can't you find that in the old-school Goa as well? You may say that there is less of that, maybe. Well, there will be less of copycat neo-Goa around in 20 years too. Time does that. Some things stick, others get forgotten. But even this is not what I want to bring up here.

I cannot stand modern popular music. Pretty much anything that I hear on mainstream radio - if it was produced after 1991, it's total crap to me. I am not talking about the gems you can hear online and on low-power college radio stations. I am talking about mainstream. And yet, I love the whole '80s cheese-fest. Yep, the New Wave, the big-hair rock, even Eurodisco (for some reason renamed into "Italo" now). Everything from '90s on seems like either corruption or bad copy of the past. Does it mean Cindy Loper is 1000 better than Lady Gaga? I don't know because I cannot judge objectively. I still listen occasionally to the crappiest hits of mid-80s, like Modern Talking or Bad Boys Blue. And this is the very reason I don't like prog - it seems like an overproduced version of Eurodisco minus bad lyrics. When I listen to Neelix, I hear a mock Modern Talking (somebody else here commented on the same thing a couple of years go too). Does it mean MT is better than Neelix? No. The difference is I was in my teen years dancing at parties to MT and I am in my 40s filling my tax declarations to Neelix.

...Set and settings, no?...
OzMike
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Posted : Mar 21, 2014 02:05
I think age definitely plays a role. I guess for me 90's electronica across my fav scene back then (jungle/DnB and this scene) has grown so much with me that it's like a fine wine. Whereas not much of the newer scene has grown with me, and I find that much of what is released now doesn't grab my attention. What I find is modern psychedelic trance of all types feels like grabbing a cheap drink just to get sloshed, whereas the classic sound is something I find I can sit and listen to like sipping a great wine slowly with a good friend without the need to get drunk.

Probably makes no sense but anyway. Modern psy trance mostly feels cheap & dirty to me. It all sounds the same & it's all too formulatic. It's become the beast that it first helped me escape from. Electronic music globally and including this scene is becoming more and more boring, just like pop music and rock music and heavy metal. It's all completely uninspiring. I feel so sorry for my son growing up in this musical era where all my teenage nephews and nieces think Skrillex & One Direction are musical gods.           Revisiting the past.
Nectarios
Martian Arts

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Posted : Mar 21, 2014 12:24
I don't get the term "neo" either, although I have used it in chats to distinguish the new stuff from the old as I understand it is a word that helps the other person understand what we are talking about.

Having said all that, its all goa-trance to me. Stick an artist name or a tune to define a style/era, without the use of old-school/new-school. Its the same style of music, made today...albeit the sound is different due to the tools (or lack of) that where used to make this music in the 90s, as opposed to the present, or recent past.

But its all goa-trance to me. Even if its more polished today, its all about the vibe the music creates.
          
http://soundcloud.com/martianarts
exotic
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Posted : May 12, 2014 09:11






4:33 onwards is just pure bliss
          missing plug-in
randulon


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Posted : May 14, 2014 14:52
Why anyone would want to listen to yesterday's-future-but-made-today is a mystery to me, these guys are to dance music what Oasis is to pop music, regressive, retrograde, and bringing nothing new to the table...shouldn't music progress and evolve? The psy-scene's ultimate downfall...
Nomad Moon
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Posted : May 14, 2014 14:59
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On 2014-05-14 14:52, randulon wrote:
Why anyone would want to listen to yesterday's-future-but-made-today is a mystery to me...shouldn't music progress and evolve? The psy-scene's ultimate downfall...



Because of this:







no other genre can do this, this is after hipnotic
          Tudo que melhor e mais superior em mim sada tudo que melhor e mais alto em si
TimeTraveller
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Posted : May 14, 2014 15:21
damn.. thanks for the video! Great good goa sound and what a party a dream
604delic


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Posted : May 14, 2014 16:14
~off-topic~

there was a discussion sometime last year or so that i noticed about the origin of psytrance or the birthplace of this genre on this forum & later on that thread was locked by mods i guess.
Can anyone please post a link for that topic?

Many thnx!
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