Myopic novices and the art of their music (PSYTRANCE)

yo, da lame folks here!
looks like we got a male moki here now
so, anyone up for a laugh check his posts wherever they might pop up

On 2010-01-22 15:59, disco hooligans wrote:
I am still curious as to what constitutes a "fail" as a "true musician", auralserenity?

On 2010-01-22 16:40, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2010-01-22 16:11, disco hooligans wrote:
what the hell is up your arse mate? just curious to know why others are so fussed on "making it" and what that means to them, as musicians. set your thread hogging insecurities aside, you seem educated and although you have a weird way of putting your point across, I truly am curious as to why people start making music and feel there is a "fail" tag looming somewhere along the journey.
I do not know what the word "fail" means as a musician, cause the minute I make something I am happy with, I have "made it".

lets just assume we are all cunts of equal proportions, can we have a constructive conversation now?

On 2010-01-20 09:04, bukboy wrote:
auralserenity - Its a maturity thing. What happened is that I realised that music is an evolved - arbitrarily created phenomenon that just gave us an advantage and helped us grow/expand/evolve on a species level, but that doesnt change the basic fact that our nature is "monkeys bouncing to tribal beats" and music manipulates our basic emotions. Once I understood how music works, and how it manipulates emotions, I became acutely aware of how predictable music is and I am, I also saw that I am just a puppet subjected to tricks that make me feel. I felt so powerless and limited in my nature.

I suppose I saw beauty as being internal to me and arbitrary.

In the end Music is just a type of manipulation, where the manipulator skillfully gets you to part with the proceeds of your work.
I dont really want to be an entertainer.

My horizons are wider now...

The thing that tortures me is that no matter how good an idea is, its just a configuration that is either advantageous or not. SO long as it works in the short or long term, then thats all the meaning and truth it needs to contain. It can be a lot of B.S. so long as it gives you advantage.

On 2010-01-22 21:19, Maska wrote:

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On 2010-01-20 09:04, bukboy wrote: auralserenity - Its a maturity thing. What happened is that I realised that music is an evolved - arbitrarily created phenomenon that just gave us an advantage and helped us grow/expand/evolve on a species level, but that doesnt change the basic fact that our nature is "monkeys bouncing to tribal beats" and music manipulates our basic emotions. Once I understood how music works, and how it manipulates emotions, I became acutely aware of how predictable music is and I am, I also saw that I am just a puppet subjected to tricks that make me feel. I felt so powerless and limited in my nature. I suppose I saw beauty as being internal to me and arbitrary. In the end Music is just a type of manipulation, where the manipulator skillfully gets you to part with the proceeds of your work. I dont really want to be an entertainer. My horizons are wider now... The thing that tortures me is that no matter how good an idea is, its just a configuration that is either advantageous or not. SO long as it works in the short or long term, then thats all the meaning and truth it needs to contain. It can be a lot of B.S. so long as it gives you advantage.

It kind of amazes me how you see enlightenment as the end of all....over sharing your ability and realization, with those that currently feel the way you did at some point in your past. Just remember the first time Psytrance hooked you...Go back to that and if you cant emulate the same stuff that is out there right now, without feeling complete, then evolve and create something new and different. Don't let your limitations cancel out your ideas and feelings about how it should be.

But please dont assume people are unevolved or immature, simply because they apprectiate the raw power of natural human emotions.

If you are over it, then be, but why ruin the experience for everyone else?

So, I agree with prior sentiments aimed at aural, if you don't like it, cool. but if you dont like it and cant stop yourself from from being a asshole to other people who appreciate it, the you can go F yourself,

"The thread, http://forum.isratrance.com/book-reviews-and-or-advice/ , was a bout books but somehow ended up being a kind of playground for criticism on psy trance lovers(amateurs) and their music(psytrance). Hence I decided to start a new thread on the same subject.

So,

Is it true that all the psy trance producers are nothing but amateurs who are chasing the glamor of being called a genius in music production, and fooling themselves of the reality that all their attempts are futile?

Are they a bunch of myopic novices who cant look beyond their limited senses and fail to realize that days of psytrance are over?

***Well, I personally would agree to this to some extent, but cant consider it a universal fact.***

~ How about you?"

On 2010-01-23 17:37, auralserenity wrote:
Guys this might be my last post to the forum.

I am going to be busy with this studio thing. I'll have to re-setup the complete studio of mine.

Please read on.