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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Jan 10, 2007 11:09
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On 2007-01-10 02:22, Ishwara wrote:
oh here comes the infantry - wtf have Pink Floyd got to do with this or are you just wankered as usual?
Chaos pads are cheap!
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now the navy seals are coming!
i meant that even they preplanned what they will play live, and made rehersals before it. so i guess thats a posh-rock-show?
this is live ELECTRONIC music. they made live ROCK. there is live music on stage, but its hard to get more live than cosm since its really hard to keep up the beat and writing a full timed tune on stage, you must be a music genious and a super fast producer.
nothing against you, but if you bash me again ill call the delta forces 
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Jan 10, 2007 12:28
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On 2007-01-09 22:31, Ishwara wrote:
Get rid of the STAGES, stop putting people on a pedestal
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well said!! let the dj be at the same level as the dancefloor, or even better, in the middle of the dancefloor... its good for the connection 
but bad for some rockstars i guess
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Jan 10, 2007 12:49
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On 2007-01-10 11:09, Sound Surgeon wrote:
but its hard to get more live than cosm since its really hard to keep up the beat and writing a full timed tune on stage, you must be a music genious and a super fast producer. |
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You are confusing the terms a little mate.
Writing music, Producing, composing = creating new music
Playing a instrument on stage = playing live
To play live has absolutely nothing to do with creating a new track even though you have some possibilities such as jamming (improvising) but that is usally done over a already excisting tune. But again in my world of music that require musical live skill = playing a instrument live.
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Krell
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Posted : Jan 10, 2007 14:15
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On 2007-01-10 12:28, Dennis the menace wrote:
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On 2007-01-09 22:31, Ishwara wrote:
Get rid of the STAGES, stop putting people on a pedestal
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well said!! let the dj be at the same level as the dancefloor, or even better, in the middle of the dancefloor... its good for the connection
but bad for some rockstars i guess
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If you put the booth in the middle of it all you rob the dancers of the space where the sound is most likely the best. Setting up the djing space there will take up a lot of space in the sweetspot soundwise on most stereo soundsetups.
Perhaps it would work well with a quadrofonic setup though.
Another reason why a stage is a good thing is that it can keep overly lame people away, or the ones wanting to do requests.
Still, that can be achieved also while keeping the dj or whomever at the same level as the dancers.
I find it ridiculous though, is this really so important ? Are all organizers with stagesetups now promoting rock star tendencies ?
Many of the people I have had spinning at our events are happy to be isolated effectively from the crowd so they can have the peace they need to perform at their very best.
The ones placed at crowd level, when I talk to them afterwards, what negative they have to say is that every now and then some guy comes along and breaks their concentration, since they can just lean over and talk to them....
So, we just place the chillout djs @ crowdlevel... which we might be changing also, just expensive to build up another stage :-/
I guess its fine if you just spend 30 seconds in each mix, but if you mix tracks together over 1½ - 3 minuttes, you dont have time to chat much, and you need to keep the beat.
- Krell
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Pt.
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Posted : Jan 10, 2007 15:54
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Put the Dj in a sealed both with a oneway mirrors to look out. |
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lokus
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Posted : Jan 10, 2007 15:56
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Put the Dj in a sealed both with a oneway mirrors to look in.
- last possible solution
- trick music
- ambivalent records
myspace.com/lokuz
ps: y trance?
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Jan 10, 2007 16:21
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Put the Dj in a cage with infected monkey in it.
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Krell
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Posted : Jan 10, 2007 16:43
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On 2007-01-09 03:50, cosm wrote:
Wow thanks guys for all the wonderful comments!
I have uploaded my latest live set from a party on New Years Eve if anyway wishes to hear more of my stuff.
Here is a direct link, please share this link as much as copy, and also feel free to burn CDs and hand them out
http://psy-tearoa.com/COSM/Tom_Cosm_Live_At_Uprising_New_Zealand_2007.mp3
-Tom
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Heard the first hour, in the bus, I really enjoyed it, gonna hear the last part of it tomorrow.
Very original, enjoyable, dancable... Too bad your located on the other side of the planet, I would love to book you for one of our events here in Denmark; but with the travel costs it might become a big to much for us on top of fees etc etc.
So, hopefully, we will see (hear) you at one of the bigger festivals here in Europe.
This stuff is amazing.
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Krell
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Posted : Jan 10, 2007 16:44
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On 2007-01-10 15:54, spytooned psytones wrote:
Put the Dj in a sealed both with a oneway mirrors to look out.
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That was original ;-) and very funny
- Krell
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Shaqattack
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 03:46
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awesome awesome awesome
great promotion tom...
hey..its all worth it when the music sounds that good...
i love that cosms sets are always avaialble to download for free and are pretty good quality as well..
great work..
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 04:15
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On 2007-01-10 01:21, cosm wrote:
Hows that!?
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Pretty fucking spot-on. You answered all my questions completely. I was particularly interested to see you still use the mouse for some things - I'm guessing you also use it to select empty clips when improvising and recording new riffs. (Probably totally a basic question but I'm just trying to get a picture of how the physical side of it flows during a set).
I think what you're doing is absolutely awesome, and totally inspirational in terms of both information sharing and, of course, live psytrance performances. I can imagine your sets are pretty good to watch too, with any number of interactions between yourself, the dancefloor and the music - plus you're totally able to take your sets on any tangents you like but bang it back into a complete new section whenever you like. It's a VERY rare psytrance live-act that can come out with completely new music every time you play but keep the quality that high... like I said, inspirational.
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DeathPosture
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 07:54
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Amazing vids Tom... I just watched thru it all and I'm really impressed. Keep up the good work. Hope this will land you some gigs in Europe. =)
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errorhead
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 08:34
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Gave it a proper watch along your other videos and i have to say that what you done is amazing.Bright future for you Tom! |
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mk47
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Posted : Jan 11, 2007 17:31
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very cool  .. hope to catch u live someday
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mono mono
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Posted : Jan 12, 2007 01:02
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great work Tom! ah so funky.
Some questions, if you'll indulge me.
Your effects chain "scenes", are these return tracks?
You monitor realtime recording via cue outputs, then when satifactory you send them out over the mains?
If you do a whole arrangement (apriori), do you segment these into clips for each section, and perhaps a clips for the break transitions? When using scenes for doing the start marker "cut-up" clips I assume the play buttons are removed for the other tracks. It used to be that you could drag the start marker in the playing clip's window and get instant gratifying results but that seemed to disappear with Live 4 or 5 (can't remember).
Does that PadControl get feedback from Live, that is- do the LED's under the pads accurately reflect the state on Live in the computer? Typically changing a control using the mouse will not be reflected by the LED state on a controller unless Live sends out to your controller. Unfortunately my RemoteSL25 has no feedback from Live so switching banks twiddling knobs then switching banks again can cause potential headaches.
A lot of these obvious to the Ableton user, i'm more interested in the exceptions.
Now for a few bits of Abletonspeak:
Have you ever tried routing an efx return track back into a regular track (monitor:in) and place the efx plugs into that audio track? That way you can have efx automation clips independent of the audio clips.
I've been playing alot lately with using the crossfader where the primary audio is on B and an efx return is on A normally keeping the xfader on B then slamming the xfader to A for totally effected output and returning back to B for clean(er) audio. Works well with SupaTrigga, instant cut-up with no delays associated with enabling/disabling SupaTrigga (on the mac). If you assign numerous tracks to B you can effect them then get them back with a single crossfade sweep.
I've also been using Bidule has a MIDI utility to automate some plug-in controls so I don't have to worry about the state of plug because Bidule will send appropriate commands out. At least I know when certain knobs are set certain ways, certain efx will be on or off appropriately- because I currently don't get visual feedback on the controller..sigh.
I've been hacking around with various live setups and getting closer to a satisfying setup. It is definately a challange.
I think in the EDM genres, if you can have a system that allows you to arrange on the fly and have those moments during a gig when you listen to the sound coming out and think "holy shit! that sounds pretty good!"- a serendipitious moment! Something unexpected. You're capturing the essence of live performance.
keep up the good work and hope to cross paths in the future!
-dean
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