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My last progressive thursday @ the maxim
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moon feast
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Posted : Aug 9, 2007 11:36
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On 2007-08-08 10:37, karnaf wrote:
Well, TiMMY, that's what happens when you mix the trance scene with the club scene. But it's not the first time you've been bumped out of a party because you're too young; aren't you used to it by now? 
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moon feast
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Posted : Aug 9, 2007 11:55
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and timmy take it easy, so u miss a pogressive set,
u can go to eny athoer house club 4 idia 4 your dj stuff. the only diffrent that in the house club u hear tiesto stuff and in maxim u hear some 1 that try to do the same kind of music. keep up with prog!
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Zombi
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Posted : Aug 9, 2007 14:59
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On 2007-08-09 11:55, moon feast wrote:
u can go to eny athoer house club 4 idia 4 your dj stuff. the only diffrent that in the house club u hear tiesto stuff and in maxim u hear some 1 that try to do the same kind of music. keep up with prog!
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right. u been there so u know;)
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moon feast
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Posted : Aug 9, 2007 19:36
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zombi i havn't heard your set, if u played 4 6.5 our
your set then RESPECT!
i'm sure that u have to mix many kind of eletro, prog ... so i guess u good in what u do,
just try 2 make timmy feel better (:
nathing porsenaly, good luck!
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Zombi
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Posted : Aug 9, 2007 19:57
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yossi
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Posted : Aug 10, 2007 17:00
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timmy, never say never 
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advance
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Posted : Aug 10, 2007 23:36
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What a bunch of BS.
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On 2007-08-04 22:12, TiMMY wrote:
Sorry guys, but what you're doing is simply ridiculous. I will never be a part of this stupid group of people, who think that you can measure ones personality by his looks only, or worse, by his birthdate. I'm really out of adjectives here to describe this WORTHLESS attitude, which has no place in our scene. I have been to club parties in Tel Aviv without stupid selection and believe me it was JUST FINE.
What happened to me at the gate a week ago has a name in hebrew: "posa".
I'm not going to pretend I'm someone else just to enter a party, I pity the ones who do. It may be the kind of stuff that I would consider in school/work/ etc. but not where I'm supposed to feel free.
That's just about as immature and childish as you could get. Why do I need to grow up to "understand" age limit?! Is it too complicated for my current mental abilities?!
or maybe you think that in four years when I'll be 25 I'll be looking at the world from another, narrow-minded point of view?
Let me tell you something about "bad energy": This weekend I was in the 3rd empire party in the desert. I've alot of our "trance scene dinosaurs". You know, people in their 30s who come with their tent and don't dance one bit, and that's quite alright. That is, because most of the people who kept the party alive on the dancefloor all night and day where young people, full of POSITIVE energy. Just a small reality check to remind you what it's all about.
People, grow up already, stop with the stupid "posa" start relating to a person by what's inside and not outside.
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Claiming that age and appearance say nothing about a person is utter politically correct crap. The reason there is an age limit and selection in 95% of the places in Israel is because of the childish, violent and unfitting behaviour of the Israeli party-goer. Selection usually works, because age and appearance say much about you. Don't pretend otherwise.
It is true that some great people get hurt by this selection, such as yourself. That's why there are mechanisms in place to prevent these "false positives" - the invited lists are in place to do REVERSE FILTERING, that is, to let these wonderful people in to join the crowd. You should've used that opportunity.
And yes, you will see things differently when you're 25. People's mentality changes as they grow, as does their behavior. That's not to say that there aren't mature, positive and awesome 19 year olds - there sure as hell are.
If you're so damned politically correct, go to non-selection clubs. There's a reason the better DJs don't play there, there there's violence in many of these places. Or - stay in your room. I'm sure you'll be missed, but the scene will go on. |
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karnaf
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Posted : Aug 11, 2007 18:21
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I agree with advance, except for one note - it's all fine as long as the age limit was published beforehand and not used as a dirty excuse.
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Zombi
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Posted : Aug 11, 2007 19:24
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On 2007-08-11 18:21, karnaf wrote:
I agree with advance, except for one note - it's all fine as long as the age limit was published beforehand and not used as a dirty excuse.
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so in your opinion it was dirty excuse ?
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liluY
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Posted : Aug 12, 2007 03:07
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On 2007-08-10 23:36, advance wrote:
What a bunch of BS.
Claiming that age and appearance say nothing about a person is utter politically correct crap. The reason there is an age limit and selection in 95% of the places in Israel is because of the childish, violent and unfitting behaviour of the Israeli party-goer. Selection usually works, because age and appearance say much about you. Don't pretend otherwise.
It is true that some great people get hurt by this selection, such as yourself. That's why there are mechanisms in place to prevent these "false positives" - the invited lists are in place to do REVERSE FILTERING, that is, to let these wonderful people in to join the crowd. You should've used that opportunity.
And yes, you will see things differently when you're 25. People's mentality changes as they grow, as does their behavior. That's not to say that there aren't mature, positive and awesome 19 year olds - there sure as hell are.
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I totally agree... and I most agree about the mentality thing. This very complaint is an example - taking it so personal and getting so worked up over someone doing their job in maintaining an age limit is a fairly immature way to behave. It's an over reaction and it's acting out of a bruised ego..
Youth has better things associated with it and worst things - it's not personal, it's just a certain norm. Age IS a mentality, but immaturity is immaturity whether your 19 or 45 - and this here is immaturity. The more mature way of looking things is not letting silly trite discomforts come in the way of something you really love, like music.
I'm 26 and I still get asked for ID when I try to buy a friggin cigarette. I don't particularly enjoy it, but it's a fact of life that I look young, and I respect people for doing their job and being careful.. a few years ago when I was younger and stupider I'd get insulted about this sort of thing, but now in my 'old age' I just shake it off with a smile - this kind of thing REALLY isn't worth the negative feelings and waste of energy.
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TiMMY
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Posted : Aug 12, 2007 23:58
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I would have to take back my earlier statement about not posting any more replies to this thread, because finally, after 3 pages somebody did post a worthy reply.
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On 2007-08-10 23:36, advance wrote:
Claiming that age and appearance say nothing about a person is utter politically correct crap. The reason there is an age limit and selection in 95% of the places in Israel is because of the childish, violent and unfitting behaviour of the Israeli party-goer. Selection usually works, because age and appearance say much about you. Don't pretend otherwise.
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There is a subtle difference here, I did not say that age and appearance say nothing about a person, I said that JUDGING a person only by his looks/age is simply ridiculous, and it is. Even in this thread, we have an example of somebody who pretended to be someone else, just to get into a club. If this is not utter politically correct CRAP, I don’t know what is. I would never pretend to be someone else just to enter a party or skip the line. This is the kind of thing that I can do at school or at work, but not with my music.
Now, imagine that a nice guy like me would try to enter a club just like that – no list, no connections, nothing. Of course he will be denied entrance. Even if it’s just one guy who would get back home thinking “what’s wrong with me?”, I don’t think it’s worth it. A music club is not a financial risks company which calculates profit margins and statistical probabilities; it is the embodiment of the society we want to live it. So if you don’t let this one guy get into your club just because he’s too young / has a darker skin than you do, it most defiantly says something about you.
It says that you’ve embraced one of the sickest aspects of the human nature. That is, prejudice, of course. This could be acceptable on Haoman 17 or the Ultrasound, but not where I’m partying.
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It is true that some great people get hurt by this selection, such as yourself. That's why there are mechanisms in place to prevent these "false positives" - the invited lists are in place to do REVERSE FILTERING, that is, to let these wonderful people in to join the crowd.
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I’m not interested in “mechanisms” to reverse-filter prejudice, thank you. I think they are totally unfit to our scene and to my state of mind.
BTW, I’m sure that AT LEAST more than 50% of the “troublemakers” who sit in jails in our country arrived there after they were 25. Just a tiny example of this prejudiced attitude is flawed.
So now it’s the time for a moment of truth, why indeed club owners/party animals love it when they have selection in the entrance?
The truth is, and I’ve heard this from a lot of people, that they want to feel good about themselves. “Hey, I’m being abused at work, nobody loves me, but at least I know the promoter so he’ll let me in before everybody else.”
Also, some people in their 20’s don’t like to see younger people “dancing around them”. It makes them feel bad, or unspecial, or worse – not cool enough.
This is the essence of popular club culture – if your connections are good enough, you enter for free, you get all the free drink, and most importantly: YOU GET WHAT OTHER PEOPLE DON’T.
So Mr. advance, please don’t lecture me about mentality and behavioral changes, I know I’m old enough to decide that I don’t want to be a part of this hypocrisy. At least give me THAT amount of credit.
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On 2007-08-12 03:07, liluY wrote:
This very complaint is an example - taking it so personal and getting so worked up over someone doing their job in maintaining an age limit is a fairly immature way to behave. It's an over reaction and it's acting out of a bruised ego.
Youth has better things associated with it and worst things - it's not personal, it's just a certain norm. Age IS a mentality, but immaturity is immaturity whether your 19 or 45 - and this here is immaturity. The more mature way of looking things is not letting silly trite discomforts come in the way of something you really love, like music.
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Your very reply is an example for taking things for granted, accepting them the way they are and let them be. This kind of attitude is usually most common amongst older people in our society (like the one who asked me today if I’m listening to “zoo sounds” on my MP3 player when I was waiting too see a physician ). Younger people, however, don’t take the “norm” for granted. Believe me, if I had a bruised ego I would go right in (to prove that I’m indeed on the list, so I’m worthy of entrance), but I don’t have to take that kind of crap from no one. This is not a silly discomfort, it is a ideal, an ideal which says that there is not one reason in the world that anyone wouldn’t be able to enjoy music. And it is most certainly an ideal worthy of writing my longest reply ever on Isratrance.
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liluY
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Posted : Aug 13, 2007 01:18
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dear, it's not taking things for granted, it's just taking things in proportion - maybe this is where you need some more growth, emotional or otherwise.. there are many many better places and ideals in this world that are in much more need of your energies, these energies such as you are putting so passionately into this 'protest' here.
Ideals are great, and fighting for them is admirable. But learn to pick your fights where there's actual battles, not windmills... god knows there are so many things wrong with this country, so many acts of real prejudice and discrimination that need to be corrected and fought against, things that make something like an age limit at some party so insignificant in comparison.
Seems to me the person who made the biggest deal out of age in this whole thing was you, not the party organiser/security guy/club owner. Lighten up some, and let's end this tired thread..
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Cyber Punk
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Posted : Aug 13, 2007 10:06
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On 2007-08-13 01:18, liluY wrote:
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Ideals are great, and fighting for them is admirable. But learn to pick your fights where there's actual battles, not windmills... god knows there are so many things wrong with this country, so many acts of real prejudice and discrimination that need to be corrected and fought against, things that make something like an age limit at some party so insignificant in comparison.
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Amen to that ! 
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Yuli
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Posted : Aug 13, 2007 13:03
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On 2007-08-13 01:18, liluY wrote:
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Ideals are great, and fighting for them is admirable. But learn to pick your fights where there's actual battles, not windmills... god knows there are so many things wrong with this country, so many acts of real prejudice and discrimination that need to be corrected and fought against, things that make something like an age limit at some party so insignificant in comparison.
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Amen to that !
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I will second that.
And personally I think that selection in clubs is necessary to keep the level of the crowd. I wouldn't like to find myself going to party in Tel Aviv surrounded by 18 year olds, not because I am old fashion and close minded, but because in most cases it will be very loud, mind breaking and harassing experience ( and I had this before ). This is how youngsters MOSTLY are and this is how I was, and I was denied entrance to clubs at certain age too...
Of course there are exceptions to this rule and that is what the LIST is for - so please Timmy, use it!!! This is one of the main reasons the list is there for the first place. And if you feel offended by the fact that me and the likes don't want to party hand to hand with bunch of teenagers, then it is plain silly, because the reasons are pretty obvious.
Now moreover, you were speaking about PLUR and trance, well my friend, I believe that most of the teenagers are not ready for trance music at all. At least I wasnt - and they are not ready for psychedelic drugs and they are not ready for synthetic atmospoheres, simply because the normal way of growing up and settle your mind is not going well with hallucinations. That is why I believe youth and trance music is not always a good combination together. I started going to trance parties when I was 22 and I thank god for that.
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Zombi
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Posted : Aug 13, 2007 17:27
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amazing. good job timmy boy. Believe your soul ! |
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