OzMike
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Posted : Nov 7, 2013 04:05
There is a very strong difference in the way a proper Goa Trance song sounds compared to the UK & European Psy Trance sound. It had nothing to do with Indian samples but some people I guess just don't dive that deep in to the music.
And no it has nothing to do with the sample used in Mahadeva, it has everything to do with the composition of a Goa Trance vs Psy Trance.
If you know the music of the 90's before it became the mish-mash of sound today, you'd be able to hear the difference.
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Posted : Nov 7, 2013 05:01
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On 2013-11-06 18:18, randulon wrote:
What is wrong with UK psy-trance?
Nothing at all. I seriously worship the likes of GNOTR, Process, OOOD, TIP, Prometheus etc.
But it's not Goa Trance. It's Psy Trance and there's a big difference.
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Posted : Nov 7, 2013 10:32
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On 2013-11-07 04:05, OzMike wrote:
There is a very strong difference in the way a proper Goa Trance song sounds compared to the UK & European Psy Trance sound. It had nothing to do with Indian samples but some people I guess just don't dive that deep in to the music.
ok, so lets invert the question shall we?
wich elements on the music of MWNN make you think exacly that it sound more like "UK" comercial stuff as you say...
and give an example of what you call "proper" goa, and explain wich elemnents in particular to that track makes you think that...
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Posted : Nov 7, 2013 11:36
Why? Are you too stupid to be be able to tell even the most basic differences between psy trance and goa trance?
Ummmmmm nearly every MWNN track has ample elements of more commericla trance music, he just added more layers and depth to it with slight tribal hints to make it more "psy trancey".
Get a grip mate, he made music that sold in both scenes and good on him. I just don't think his music was as amazing as everyone makes it out to be.
On the Teleport compilation from Dragonfly all the tracks follow a similar formular. It's a very repetitive listen for an album even in this genre.
And you cannot tell me that the album before that with Sugar Rush etc. was not full of cheese loaded commercial sounds?
Even here in Australia it was pounded out by the most commercial DJ's of the time. Why the hell else was he being asked to remix commercial stuff like Three Drives "Greece 2000"?
Because Martin Freeland knew how to make good commercial sellable trance music. It wasn't terrible but it wasn't exactly the most mind melting psychedelic trance every made. It's not exactly a full blown audio acid trip is it? Unless you've just munch a quarter of a tab.
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Posted : Nov 7, 2013 11:39
And BTW here is the debat eon the difference between Goa & Psy.
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Posted : Nov 7, 2013 11:43
Are you saying that no British acts ever made Goa Trance? Or that none of the labels like Dragonfly, TIP or Flying Rhino released it?
I have to say that I find the whole distinction between Goa and Psy trance to be massively spurious...music evolves doesn't it, or shouldn't it, so of course what has come to be known as psy trance may sound a little different to what was known as goa trance but they are one and the same thing surely...different things go in and out of fashion but really it's the same thing with a different name...
And I started going to parties when it was called Goa Trance so I don't think I'm speaking blindly...
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Posted : Nov 7, 2013 13:20
Geez this topic got shit quickly didn't it?
I bet if I'd written about any dark psy or hi BPM style you'd have all agreed with me aight?
But nobody can touch Martin Freeland. He's the bestest Goa artist ever!
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Posted : Nov 7, 2013 13:30
to me goa trance name was used to make a distinction with trance coming from holland germany swiss ect.. stuff like tiesto.. tip flying rhino ect offcourse it s goa trance for most people
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Posted : Nov 7, 2013 16:14
to me there was a clear difference between from Psytrance and goa trance...
this was psytrance in the 90s...
The Delta, X-dream, Logic Bomb, usualy nordic and german stuff had more influences from techno side, more mecanical sound...
MWNN was completly different, the sound was much more organical, "sci-fi" and it was turned into a diferent direction, either musicaly or in terms of structure...
trance initialy was like a techno style of music, but based on more spiritual and melodical structure, goa trance, borned from the fusion of indian Elements on the european trance, but not only the instruments, also the way they are played, the eastern "spicy" sound of arabic scales...
but overall, Goa trance can be seen as more organical perspective of the music, having a strong ethnical component, than psytrance, wich is more rave music, cleary inspired by acid techno side, with a fast paced tracks, more mecanical sound and also psychedelic
to me there is absolutly no doubt that MWNN is goa trance, one of the most iconic goa trance producers, same as Hallucinogen, AP, Asia 2001 and other period dinossaurs
and people should respect this old artists, what they did, the fact that DJ´s indeed used many tracks of MWNN doesnt mean the music is cheasy
i have seen many times Teleport track on many top 100 of the best trance tracks ever, and that doesnt mean it sucks...
there is some people in the world who seems to have some kind of "phobia" against sucess, and everything wich archieve a kind of sucess automaticly is "overrated" or comercial like hell...
its not certainly the case of MWNN
Hallucinogen also sold 80 thousand cd´s with is Twisted album, did it meaned it sucked?? many people who didnt enjoyed psytrance buyed the album because it was a masterpiece...
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Posted : Nov 7, 2013 17:49
I always laugh at these debates where people's ego's get in the way of the point that taste is taste.
One advice though. Take any Top 100/50 or 20 with a grain of salt.
Today these"Top of the pop psy/goa charts" looks very different than they did in the 90's. Why? Because commercial interest has taken over and brainwashed people, into thinking the commercial goatrance is the only goatrance ever made.
Of course more commercial goatrance gets more followers. Its logic. But it does not make it the best in the world
Now ask most people in the scene today if they know, in my opinion (and many old-timers too) best ever Goa tune - The Overlords "Sundown" and they will look at you like "ehmmmm who's that?"....
But yeah they know MNNN, Astral etc. etc. Why? Because they made a succesful crossover to the commercial trance scene. That does not make their music more genuine Goatrance than any other goatrance artists from the 90's.
End of story.
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Posted : Nov 8, 2013 00:17
it is absolutely impossible to estimate the impact of mwnn while listening to it in 2013 if you never experienced the innovations mwnn gave to mankind at the time the music appeared.
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Posted : Nov 8, 2013 01:04
Hey here we go you are all right. MWNN was amazing & Teleport is the greatest trance track given to man kind. I will do my penance & offer gifts at the temple of Martin Freeland in hope for his eternal redemption and kindness to forgive me.
Maybe it's time to move on?
I'm seriously sorry for ever questioning his music. If hoped for a fun debate but man did it get nasty.
Let's go back to dishing piles of crap on Psykovksy eh?
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Posted : Nov 8, 2013 11:50
Ricciardo dunno i dont think the term psytrance existed in 95..it came later when goa died around 98 if my memorie is correct i m not tally sure it s long time ago
to me goa trance don t mean it have to have indian influence at all...it s just cause goa is the mekka and people were coming back from goa doing same parties in europe ect..
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Posted : Nov 8, 2013 11:52
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On 2013-11-08 11:50, PoM wrote:
Ricciardo dunno i dont think the term psytrance existed in 95..it came later when goa died around 98 if my memorie is correct i m not tally sure it s long time ago
. or may be you want to say that you called posford goa in 1995 