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Music sharing doesn't kill CD sales.
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Tiny Giant
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Posted : Apr 3, 2004 15:14
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On 2004-04-03 09:03, Localsky wrote:
So clearly sometimes people download an album they would never buy.
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this is something i really donīt understand anymore.
a good album is worth the money you pay for it. a bad album i wonīt buy so why i must download it then?
in my earlier days in the psy scene i downloaded also very much music...
20 albums under the 30 albums on my harddisk i only heard once after downloading.
and after a long time not hearing these albums i deleted them coz there is no
logical reason to leave them on the hd.
i only need good albums. and nowadays i like to buy cds coz copys look always the same...
if you download music you only get 50% of the work of art!
i have no problem that people download music to prelisten and then buy it.
but the most people donīt buy it after downloading...
and there is a logical reason for it:
"why should i pay money for something that i already have?"
and for sure i know why many people think like that...
to all producers and labelguys out there:
we lost the fight against downloading, and for sure we will lose in future as long as file sharing is possible!
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Tris
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 17:33
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| For example in Greece all the 'psy trance freaks' have the new Astrix album but only 10% of them have it original. |
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But doesn't that mean when Astrix come to play in, say, Greece, there 10 time more people who want to come and see him live ?
Making the parties (which are IMO the more important thing in our scene) economically possible....
Which is, I think, what LocalSky means...
And to Tiny Giant : there is just no way for people with average incomes to buy everything that is released... And how do you know an album is good before you listened to it ?
You can gamble a couple of time or stick to the big names but... Is it better ?
Let's buy some CDs and go to parties !!! |
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 17:38
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Ok if we had to follow your reasoning tris then what about the artists that do not get to play as much as Astix.... He's a very bad example since he's properly the most busy artist around at the moment... what about all the upcoming artists that dont play much simply because the oprganisers want the big "hot shot" names over and over again ?
So they should just sit back and say... "They steal my music and income but it's ok and very cool because I might in a year or two get the chance to play in a festval for 5000 people" ???
It's the old overused excuse that it's ok that 90% steal your music.... But you should be greatful because they will maybe come and see you play live - IF you get a gig someday  |
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Tris
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 17:58
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Good point too...
I just think there is no definitive answer to this issue... It's why I've put question marks in my post...
But I'm quite sure about one thing : CD business belong to the 20th century....
We have to find something else to raise money. We can't only rely on good will and keep calling people who copy 'thiefs'. That won't change that much of the problem...
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 18:07
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I agree but it's not only up to the artists and the labels to come up with new solutions.. in order to move forward the consumers have to be willing to compromise and frankly I dont see much of that these days. It's all up to the artists and labels... or else they'll just continue downloading.
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DETOX
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 21:54
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Tris dont confuse cd sales with parties and artists perfomances on parties.
The label doesnt earn any money from parties that artists perform.
CD Sales give money to both labels and artists.
Parties give money only to artists and party promoters.
More people on parties give money only to party promoters since artists will get their fee (which for more countries is the same) no matter if the party has 100 people or 1000 people.
So dont confuse different things 
Music Sharing KILLS cd sales in our little scene and this affects negatively both labels and artists.
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psicoprata
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Posted : Apr 6, 2004 22:24
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On 2004-04-06 18:07, Elysium Project wrote:
I agree but it's not only up to the artists and the labels to come up with new solutions.. in order to move forward the consumers have to be willing to compromise and frankly I dont see much of that these days. It's all up to the artists and labels... or else they'll just continue downloading.
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I think it definetly IS up to the artists and labels to find new solutions since they are the ones who want a change.
Ok, there are a few consumers who might have a little conciousness and realize that if they donīt buy the artists cdīs they wonīt be supporting them and eventually these artists might have to stop producing music and go work in a Mc Donaldīs. But that is by far the minority.
The rest of the "consumers" have things EXACTLY the way they want it: all the music they want and for the best price around. Why the hell would they be so concerned about coming up with new solutions if the current situation is the most favourable to them???
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DETOX
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 00:40
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Psicoprata if this situation continues then sooner or later most of the labels will close and we will end up with just 10 labels releasing music.
Plus many artists have given up producing music cause they first need to work to make money and then produce music.
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psicoprata
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 19:33
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I understand your point and agree with it. But what iīm saying is that the people who are getting the music for free already have the better end of the deal (in their view of things, anyway).
Itīs useless to think that these people will suddenly have a spontaneous "i wish to do the right thing" outburst and stop downloading. So unless the other end (labels and artists) does something about it, nothing will change, especially not if youīre counting solely on the good will of people who already have things the way they want.
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DETOX
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Posted : Apr 7, 2004 22:46
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Psicoprata any suggestions for artists and labels to stop this music sharing and trading thing?
Except than writing Copying Kills Your Music on the cover of the disk i cannot thing of anything better.
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joeking
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Posted : Apr 8, 2004 06:39
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Things that labels can do to reduce copying/trading/downloading:
1) Make more efforts on artwork and other tangible aspects of the physical CD, so that it's not just a disc with tunes on.
2) Embrace newer technology such as DVD-audio. Produce special 5.1 surround mixes of the regular CD mix.
3) Produce visual additions such as vidoe-art, music video, animations to complement and/or enhance the music, and a seperate DVD-video disc.
Yes, these things cost more money, but that is the way of the world - progress and development require $ to be input first.
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Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Apr 8, 2004 08:27
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 8, 2004 13:36
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On 2004-04-08 06:39, joeking wrote:
Things that labels can do to reduce copying/trading/downloading:
1) Make more efforts on artwork and other tangible aspects of the physical CD, so that it's not just a disc with tunes on.
2) Embrace newer technology such as DVD-audio. Produce special 5.1 surround mixes of the regular CD mix.
3) Produce visual additions such as vidoe-art, music video, animations to complement and/or enhance the music, and a seperate DVD-video disc.
Yes, these things cost more money, but that is the way of the world - progress and development require $ to be input first.
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1) Will make the release more expensive = less sales
2) Will make the release more expensive = less sales.
3) Will make the release more expensive = less sales.
I would love to do all the above mentioned thing but I doubt it will sell more CD/DVD's. People are constantly complaning about too high prices... So I dont see how it's possible. Anyway it's not a solution.. It's much more complicated and can't be fixed just by releasing more variated and creative releases.
In my opinion the fight is lost already. I now only do music for my own pleasure (and DJ sets) and wont release much music anymore... Only once in a while for promotion so I can get some more gigs.. I wont release any new artist CD... It's too expensive to produce it and I loose money that way.
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joeking
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Posted : Apr 8, 2004 15:00
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Of course of it's more expensive to do those things. Give up if you want, I'm sure many others will, and have done already. Are you a label ? In the face of adversity you have to innovate if you want to succeed, and maybe moving in the directions I mentioned will have to be a loss-leader. But it's not so expensive to produce extra atwork. DVD-audio and video is more expensive for sure, but that's where better marketting an promotion come in. People are prepared to pay for a good product. |
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