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Music is about making money, so what's so wrong?
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Pasha
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Posted : Apr 17, 2003 14:43
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Howdy,
I hear people saying here and there that "c'mon this scene is about making money, open your eyes", "this has all gone commercial" an so on and so on and so on...
What money? The music industry is experiencing a major fuckup especially the minor labels.
And even if people make their living out of their music what's so bad about it? They are musicians, it's their bread. Why count someone's money?
Yes they use their recipes so that you could fell good. It's their job. And job has to be paid somehow, no? Maybe the music dj's play or artists create isn't THAT important for them as for you and they just produce same stuff over and over, but it works on you.. And it's good. What's so bad about big parties? "Ahhh they are commercial..." If the aim of the party is ONLY to make money no matter what people want - of course it's not good... And if it's just a big good party, so?
Choose what you like. And please don't take my words to extremes, Im not talking about the cases when someone sells you shit saying that it is a part of his soul... If you get what I mean... Artists should get money for what they do, no?
People say - house parties are commercial. I don't get what you mean. House music or any other music that is more popular than trance for example, is commercial? fools come to the parties, pay their money and evil promoters make thier living out of them, or what? I had one of my best parties this year and they had nothing to do with trance music..
Anyway excuse me being so unclear. It's just a flow of some thoughts...
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Pasha
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Posted : Apr 17, 2003 14:51
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Remember some people really love what they do even if it's very popular.
Somepeople just know how to sell stuff that sells good.
Why blaming someone?
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Nathan
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Posted : Apr 17, 2003 14:51
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There is nothing wrong. as long as the music doesn't get cheezy . Meaning when the music is made in the general taste of the ppl and not in the taste of the artist. like in MTV.
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Goblim
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Posted : Apr 17, 2003 15:04
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Yeah, they probably mean that it's gone cheesy, with stupid vocals and stuff. Just look at the 'trance scene' (club trance) where the most 'famous' producers have merged trance with eurodisco. Played heavily on the radio.
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Nathan
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Posted : Apr 17, 2003 15:07
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Another thing: The Trance music is doomed to not make a huge amount of money.
It's a very complicated music. 90% dont like it.
Thats the way it is.
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Pasha
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Posted : Apr 17, 2003 15:10
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On 2003-04-17 15:07, The Chaos Theory wrote:
Another thing: The Trance music is doomed to not make a huge amount of money.
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So what commercialism are you talking about then? 
Sometimes it's not comlicated at all, just badly produced 
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Nathan
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Posted : Apr 17, 2003 15:16
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I am tolking about YAHEL and his 3rd album.
His face is all over the cover like MTV icon.
the music on the album is cheezy. electro panic is really bad track.
same thing with IZEN&DUVDEV (last INFECTED album)
but the music is amazing!
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Pasha
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Posted : Apr 17, 2003 15:26
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Haha, it's just your perception of it
I liked Electro Panic a lot and believe me I'm not your "average raver" as someone said here And it somehow doesn't coinside with the music on our label, and so what?
Cheesy? Not interesting? Put it away and support other artists. That you like.
It's natural for an artist to make his music more and more understandable or whatever for bigger amounts of public. Of course everything gets boring...
Yahel - MTV icon? Maybe, but for me it's much better than another portion of silicon from J'Lo and co'
I would prefer Yahel and Tiesto on our MTV even for a while
C'mon people listen to H&H stuff. It's not cheesy at all
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Nathan
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Posted : Apr 17, 2003 17:35
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mmmm.... I "wonder" why the 4th album of mister Sherman was released by Phonokol and not by Hommega.....
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Ohmem
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Posted : Apr 17, 2003 19:18
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As someone in here once said (and I subscrive that), music is art, and that makes all the diference. If you need the money for living, then your "art" will suffer, because your creative process will be condicioned by that. If you need to sell your "art", you have to please the ppl who will buy it. This is true for all artistic forms. Of course ppl should get paid for their artistic work, but money shouldn't be the porpouse for that work.
I'm a amateur musician, and a semi-pro DJ. Semi-pro because I don't get paid everytime. Sometimes I even loose money with the thing. But for me it's all about the fun of it. And, because I don't need to play music for living, I'm free to play what I want, when I want.
But, of course, I would love to live from music & for music only. But, to do that, I believe that I would have to make certain concessions if I wanted to make big money. Isn't what all the musicians and bands do?
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Trip-
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Posted : Apr 17, 2003 19:22
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Pasha I don't see what is the point you are talking about... are u saying that a person deserves to et payed for hard work? agree.
are you saying there is good music that is profitable also? agree.
but is it so hard to understand that music that is made in order to make money in the first place is not going to be as complex for our brain needs. It's gonna be light, it'll sound as everything else, and not interesting. wanna bet?
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traveller
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Posted : Apr 17, 2003 20:01
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correct me if I'm wrong but aren't Infected Mushroom albums selling gold or platinum in Israel? Infected Mushroom tracks are very, extremly cheesy (catchy & simple melodies).. so are they "commercial" ?
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Pasha
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Posted : Apr 17, 2003 20:28
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And how do you know what they thought when they were creating them? Did they want to make money or they were just doing the thing they like and did it good, and it appeals to the masses?
Trip - maybe that's why it is popular? because you don't have to dig anything it is already made for u, just listen and enjoy the mood....
I just don't understand ppl that keep talking about scene commercialism, though they are into the scene and they make and love the same things.
About light or not light - don't know. Trance music was once the most advanced and creative for me, but I know and love a lot of tracks many ppl here would call commercial or cheesy or simple, but they just ROCK ME big time, and I think they are great and wonderfully produced. C'mon it's just music and tastes. It's the matter of your own attitude to the stuff you listen.
Sometimes your views turn like sand-glass, u know. Music seems complicated and brilliant to you and then all of a sudden it looses it and the things that seemed uniteresting to you become intersting and complicated.
Like trance music is sooo deep and complex.. Sometimes when I listen to it seems as primitive and boring as it can be...
Tastes, tastes...
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I.D.a.N
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Posted : Apr 17, 2003 20:29
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To get a gold album in Israel you need to sell only 20,000 copies.
I don't think you can call the Psy scene commerical yet. When the biggest trance group in the scene today sells no more than 30,000 you cant really say its commerical. You can say infected and yahel are going commercial, which means they want to make music for mainstream people and sell more CDs, but the psy scene is far from being commercialized like the house or hip hop scence.
Sure artists make more money now, but that thanks to the world wide web.
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Pasha
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Posted : Apr 17, 2003 20:33
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Commercial... cheesy
Complicated... underground..
Partially it is so, but in other words c'mon - full on is not commercial? When something becomes popular it's everywhere. Full on is trance mainstream, it is played everywhere on festivals, parties bla bla bla, propmoters make money on it, no? Is it commercial?
No it's not! It's so heavy sounding agressive and cool!
Heh sure
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