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Elad
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 20:02:01
how do you feel about it ?

obviously 95% of the peaple download music and movies its not even the question anymore..

but do you enjoy it ? as much u enjoyed movie in the theatre or music on cd ?

personly i think its great that the free low quality is available , but it should be for 3rd world counties where the peaple not have other choise... i enjoy the full quality movie/music much more , and laugh on peaple that think something is not good only cause they checked the mp3 or mpeg file.. im sure if picasso compressed his paints to 2MB it wasnt that impressive ha..

(and god help me , why those upe,gem,psycz quality always soooo bad , i can rip mp3 that actualy sound ok but they manage to make evrything sound like shit)


how do you think it effect the scene and your personal life ?

how much it connected to immidate satisfaction ?
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mk47
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 21:43
i can never tell a mp3 (gem , psycz etc) from an original .. untrained ears maybe , but i got good sound in my car ... i tested with quite a few random people also .. nobody could tell ..
BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 21:58
Elad,

I share your concerns.

I think it sucks that media quality is getting lower:
DAT -> CD -> MiniDisc - LAME .Mp3 -> iTunes

I always believed that advances in technology would make music much richer and higher quality than ever imagined - not worse.

I am a proponent of lossless, affordable, DRM-free digital downloads - an idea that the trance scene is about 10 years behind the times on.

After a decade of resisting, I find myself downloading .MP3's- not because I want to or think it's the best thing to do - but because the trance producers and labels can't seem to provide media in a format that is usable, acceptable and affordable for me.
Pavel
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Posted : Mar 11, 2008 23:38
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On 2008-03-11 21:58, BrettFromTibet wrote:
Elad,

I share your concerns.

I think it sucks that media quality is getting lower:
DAT -> CD -> MiniDisc - LAME .Mp3 -> iTunes

I always believed that advances in technology would make music much richer and higher quality than ever imagined - not worse.

I am a proponent of lossless, affordable, DRM-free digital downloads - an idea that the trance scene is about 10 years behind the times on.

After a decade of resisting, I find myself downloading .MP3's- not because I want to or think it's the best thing to do - but because the trance producers and labels can't seem to provide media in a format that is usable, acceptable and affordable for me.



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Elad
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Posted : Mar 12, 2008 01:17
this are not in the common use

how many peaple have blue ray dvd , blue ray burner ?

whats more likely is , that all have itunes or huge folder of mp3          www.sattelbattle.com
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Elad
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Posted : Mar 12, 2008 01:20
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On 2008-03-11 21:43, mk47 wrote:
i can never tell a mp3 (gem , psycz etc) from an original .. untrained ears maybe , but i got good sound in my car ... i tested with quite a few random people also .. nobody could tell ..



have you compared to the originals of same cd??

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rich
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Posted : Mar 12, 2008 01:57
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On 2008-03-12 01:20, Elad wrote:
btw there is frequency u cant hear but feel (which is known that this is what mp3 DELETE from the file in order to compress it)




They were saying the same thing between vinyl and CDs. I'd love to hear vinyl (no scratches please) on a good big system again after mp3s. What a difference that would be.

As far as movies, I know from firsthand experience, kids these days watch new releases on the PCs cos it's cheaper (free) and they don't have to do any work (get a ride, get some friends together, get some cash, etc). Also it fits the restless lifestyle - they can pause it, go and skate, come back and watch more, pause it, do some homework, watch more. Convenient. The only time they go to the movie theatre is when it's a good movie that deserves a big screen and their dad is paying So, seems like with movies and music, if they feed us mediocre drivel it will get treated like that. Give us quality and it will get some respect.

But, sometimes music comes to us from one of those mediums, like myspace or youtube and it kicks ass (check out the music video for Justice's D.A.N.C.E.) and its a treat cos we would never have come to it any other way (who watches MTV anymore?).


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Posted : Mar 12, 2008 02:50
320kbps mp3 is good enough for small parties, I only buy the best tracks in wav.

Movies?, well i realy like cinema and I love to go to the big screen, and also buy some dvd when i LOVE THE MOVIE.

I i'm not much into dowload movies since I dont like to watch them in my pc.

Youtube is great to watch random stuff but not movies.

I really dont miss original cd's artwork was becoming very bad lately in what it used to be "alternative rock". And I onlycould afford one cd from psy per month, so I'm happy that now I cand ownload music from beatport and have much more options (Im form mexico so I had to pay shipment costs etc).

I also download games from direct2drive also, I hate to wait for the physical copy.

The industry is passing through a technology change, so lets wait and see what happen in the future.
Spindrift
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Posted : Mar 12, 2008 04:33
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On 2008-03-11 21:58, BrettFromTibet wrote:

I always believed that advances in technology would make music much richer and higher quality than ever imagined - not worse.


Even if we still mainly use 16/44.1 formats, the sound quality have improved a lot in general over the years.
A 192kbps mp3 today usually sounds better than a CD from the beginning of the 90's.
It's hard to tell a 24 bit wav from a 16 bit, or a high bitrate mp3 from a wav, and the big gains of technology is really to be had in production.

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On 2008-03-11 21:58, Elad wrote:
btw there is frequency u cant hear but feel (which is known that this is what mp3 DELETE from the file in order to compress it)


Sorry but what frequencies are you talking about?
The only frequencies we can feel but not hear is in the subsonic range and audio equipment generally doesn't reproduce those anyway.
And the mp3 encoding does not reduce filesize by reducing the frequency range.

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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : Mar 12, 2008 06:02
Pavel,

Maybe I'm out of the loop... but I am not aware of any psychedelic trance or ambient releases in Blue-Ray, SACD, or DSD - although I would love to hear some!

LAbels give you the dismal choice of shipping old-fashioned CDs from Hong Kong, downloading the .MP3 crap instantly and for free or the same price as a CD, or buying the .WAV for 200% of the price of the CD on a place like Beatport.

I'm concerned that the media standards are devolving in some mass collective way. I am very picky about music so I notice this a lot.
Pavel
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Posted : Mar 12, 2008 07:23
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On 2008-03-12 01:20, Elad wrote:


btw there is frequency u cant hear but feel (which is known that this is what mp3 DELETE from the file in order to compress it)




Voodoo. What you can't hear your system cannot reproduce.

Brett. You won't hear it cause it costs too much to create. The technology is there but what once was a scene with cutting edge ideas and technology has stuck in a place and instead of going forward is sometimes going backwards. BTW there are no problems with 320Kbps mp3's. They are being sold very very well in Beatport and being played by many respected DJ's without complaints from the crowd.
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Posted : Mar 12, 2008 10:25

For my favorite artists, I always go for original CDs. That's 100% satisfaction for me
IMO Good music is art and must have a price and Im willing to pay for it, but that's only my personal opinon.

Plus im not very good in computer related things and I don't follow the new technology, so I definitely have no idea about Blu Ray, SACD and DSD. Im not really into these things


Videos of trance festivals on youtube I likeeeeeee

aXis
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Posted : Mar 12, 2008 11:13
the mp3 in lower quality does re arrange the freq balance , Using Psycho acoutstical masking to replace lower ends . But who cares.

take 1 drop n u cant know shit
aXis
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Posted : Mar 12, 2008 11:14
just make good music and dont care abt anything else
duyoush
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Posted : Mar 12, 2008 11:29
Elad, stop bitching... not everyone is like u,that excite if he have only original cd's or movies...
not everybody is a dj that need to play his music infront of ppl in a party.. for home listen or other places that u whant to listen to music mp3 in good enough...

"should be for 3rd world counties where the peaple not have other choise... "
u really think that its worth to buy a CD( that u like maybe 1 or 2 track in it) in 80-100 shekel ?!?! if u think so then u live in your little wonderland movie and u need to wake up...
no matter how much u keep on crying about this here in isratrance it wont help...
today the prices of cd's are unbearable,and i dont get into movies quality couse i dont care to see a movie that got dl from the net or what ever as long that its in bearable quality to see and to enjoy from it...

so to summarize it up i will say that if u like a cd(all the tracks in it) buy it and support the artist/s.. if u like only 1 -2 track u can buy it in digital shop in the net.. but if u cant get it and u can dl it as an mp3 then why not...



P.S

It's funny to hear all this topic from a guy like u that till now was using 24/7 in P2P progrems ( Doe's soulseek tells u something?!?!?...) and dont try to deny it couse u where using this progrems all the time.. i dont now if u still use it but in the past u used it more then most of the ppl that dl music... so enough with the hypocrisy....



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