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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Apr 30, 2009 21:03
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become one with the jogwheel and treat it gently like its the love of your life 
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RK9
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Posted : May 1, 2009 08:38
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Saying that it's "something you notice after a while" is kind of not true, because I've only ever played on setups with no bpm counter so I've never even known what BPM anything of my tracks are  |
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Machi
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Posted : May 1, 2009 18:19
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On 2009-05-01 08:38, RK9 wrote:
Saying that it's "something you notice after a while" is kind of not true, because I've only ever played on setups with no bpm counter so I've never even known what BPM anything of my tracks are
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then this "technique" doesn't apply to you
on other note: it's kind of funny to hear you saying to have never played on nice functional decks e.g. pineer 800's or 1000's - its the best cd dj setup out there imo and wonder how long it will take before it will become industry standard - pretty soon noone will be using cds anymore, lol.
It really does make a difference for us cd dj's at the party. Good example should be Minneapolis crew who are total gear snobs if it comes to dj setups and sound systems - thus great performences from artists at awesome sounding parties  .
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polly
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Posted : May 1, 2009 19:40
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On 2009-05-01 08:38, RK9 wrote:
Saying that it's "something you notice after a while" is kind of not true, because I've only ever played on setups with no bpm counter so I've never even known what BPM anything of my tracks are
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i cant beleave that u dont know what bpm range psytrance is, thats like basics.
thats like same as saying i dont really know how fast cars go since my meter has always been broken... i think everyone who has cars knows +/- 10 kmh how fast they drive in rush or in highway or in neighbourhood same in trance, every psy trance dj should know +/- 5 beats what bpm of progtrance or full on or dark trance is, thats like common knowledge of psytrance.
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DJSarasin
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Posted : May 1, 2009 19:52
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On 2009-05-01 08:38, RK9 wrote:
Saying that it's "something you notice after a while" is kind of not true, because I've only ever played on setups with no bpm counter so I've never even known what BPM anything of my tracks are
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Its not the BPM's you need to worry about really.
In your set you should be playing similar tempoed tracks.
EG. 144 - 147
So there is only 3 BPM diff between all your tracks.
This being said....when you need to beatmatch the next track....it will either be:
1) 0.0 (The tracks are the same tempo already)
2) + 0.7 (The new track is 1 BPM slower than the track playing)
3) + 1.4 (The new tracks is 2 BPM slower)
It works the same when needing to slow the new track down.
So instead of listening.....adjusting....LISTEN....ADJUST.
All you need to do is set it to +0.7 and check. Still too slow, then set it to +1.4.
Within 10 secs you will have the correct BPM.
So with this out the way in a set, it leaves you with a lot of time.
You can either DANCE like a MONKEY (Eskimo) or you can get down and make more of your set like layering tracks and using the FX whatever!
Its a tool that helps speed up things.
I started out the tradional way of pitching...so i know i can do it.
This Beat Matching thing really is the EGO of DJing huh?
Sure its important....and you want to show the crowd etc that you can do it well.
But after a while you will get bored of it....as its EASY!
So this tool helps you expand your set i believe.
Its not a cop out....or making you less of a DJ.
Unless you rely ONLY on this.
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Machi
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Posted : May 1, 2009 21:04
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On 2009-05-01 19:52, DJSarasin wrote:
This Beat Matching thing really is the EGO of DJing huh?
Sure its important....and you want to show the crowd etc that you can do it well.
But after a while you will get bored of it....as its EASY!
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not sure if beatmatching has anything to do with the EGO, but for sure it's a skill and also another element in djing that can go wrong if you don't pay attention or arent totally into the music you are playing hence I really think it keeps things alive while performing (even when you have set prepared).
For me it's much better seeing dj doing that than falling asleep standing over his laptop...
and yeah, I agree there shouldn't be too much fuzz about it cuz IT IS easy but again, only for those who can do it
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polly
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Posted : May 1, 2009 21:11
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RK9
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Posted : May 4, 2009 15:14
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On 2009-05-01 19:40, polly wrote:
i cant beleave that u dont know what bpm range psytrance is, thats like basics.
thats like same as saying i dont really know how fast cars go since my meter has always been broken... i think everyone who has cars knows +/- 10 kmh how fast they drive in rush or in highway or in neighbourhood same in trance, every psy trance dj should know +/- 5 beats what bpm of progtrance or full on or dark trance is, thats like common knowledge of psytrance.
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Re-read what I posted again and you'll feel silly.
I don't know EXACTLY what BPM each individual track I own is
That doesn't mean I don't know approximately what BPM they are, or what BPM range psytrance styles are in general.
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RK9
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Posted : May 4, 2009 15:16
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On 2009-05-01 19:52, DJSarasin wrote:
In your set you should be playing similar tempoed tracks.
EG. 144 - 147
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What? Why? Why limit yourself like that? |
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Machi
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Posted : May 4, 2009 22:13
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On 2009-05-01 19:52, DJSarasin wrote:
In your set you should be playing similar tempoed tracks.
EG. 144 - 147
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What? Why? Why limit yourself like that?
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it's another guideline that has become religion among dj's: withing 2%-3% tempo changes tracks with compatible keys will stay (kinda) harmonic to each other.
but if you speed up a track by 6% you jump one semi-note higher which opens up a bunch of different possibilites...
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DJSarasin
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Posted : May 5, 2009 19:13
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@Machi:
You missed the part that i said....it will help you expand your set.
If this 'tool' frees up time between mixes....it allows you to do MORE.
Not LESS!
Not more time dancing!
You are able to do more in your set. Layer the tracks....more FX or whatever.
Else you just playing track.....after track ....after track.
Trust me....after 10 years of doing it....you get bored.
Its not challenging anymore.
The beatmatch comment being egotistical:
I mean as a DJ....you want to be able to show your skill (Beatmatching)....this is the FIRST skill you should learn.
If you got it down....and you been doing it solidly for 10 years....its not such a GREAT SKILL anymore.
You need a new one!
This is where digital DJing steps in for me.
Beatmixing tracks one after the other is OLD to me now. It bores me.
So to keep myself challenged (beatmixing is not a challenge) I will expand into digital DJing.
You can do so much more.
You will always get the argument that the SYNC button on the laptop is cheating.
It is cheating if you ONLY playing track after track as you would CD's and vinyls.
If you remixing on the fly and really doing it digital....beatmixing is the least of your worries.
Beatmixing in this scenario is just not impressive.
There are so many more impressive things you can do.
This is why i said.....beatmatching is egotistical.
"I AM A GOOD DJ....I CAN BEATMIX.
Let me show the other DJ's!"
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Machi
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Posted : May 5, 2009 19:44
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Sarasin, I totally get what you are saying and appears to me that you are a dj with lots of experience, skill and passion. I will also agree with everything you said about technical and harmonical aspects of playing music.
And if you use the time you saved on beatmaching to enhence your djing/set in some other aspects that dancefoor will appreciate and benefit from - more power to U brother!
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DJSarasin
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Posted : May 6, 2009 19:53
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Basilisk
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Posted : May 15, 2009 19:26
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Beatmatching involves a mathematical relationship between the tempos of whatever songs the DJ is mixing. At 142 BPM the pitch adjustment is precisely 0.7%. At 125 BPM it is 0.8%. Obviously at 100 BPM you reach 1%. There is a relationship here... and you benefit from knowing what it is all about. Numbers... (thinking Hux Flux here!)
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DJSarasin
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Posted : May 18, 2009 08:32
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