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Mixing in Keys --> Need help from people who do it

Basilisk
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Posted : Apr 9, 2010 01:09
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On 2010-02-22 17:27, Spindrift wrote:
I started using Rapid Evolution to analyse and rename tracks, and is using Complex Pro in Abelton to timestretch which does sound quite good.
I have been a sceptic for some time since timestretching tends to degrade quality too much, but with complex pro I fell it's a worthwhile tradeoff since it's really enjoyable to have control over the harmonics.
And trying to do harmonic mixing when using re-pitch just seems either too complicated or too limiting.

What I do is that I rename using this format string in RE:
{%filename%}{ (%key%}{ %keycode% }{ %bpm%)}

Using advanced key detection that gives me for example a trackname like this:
Artist -Track (C#m phrygian 11A 145).wav

That is a bit more verbose than desired, and unfortunately RE will not rename using the advanced keycodes that is shown in the program, and instead the rename function uses standard camelot notation.

To solve that I have a button in DirectoryOpus running a regexp-rename to condense the information.
For those of you familiar with regexp, the expression used for old name is:
((.*) (([CDEFGABm#]+) ([a-z])([a-z]*) ([0-9]+)(A|B) (.*))).(.*)
And new name:
2 (3 648)

That gives me with the above example :
Artist -Track (C#m 11p 145).wav

So far it has been working great. The nice thing about using advanced keycodes is that you get more options when looking for tracks that mix well, since not only will you be able to match as you do with camelot where an 11A track should mix ok with 11A of course as well as 10A, 12A and 11B.
You can also get a harmonic mix with other phrygian scales regardless of the base note.
Also I have transpose knobs for each track, so I can adjust the harmony of tracks if needed in semitone steps.




Thanks for the info, Spindrift.


rich
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Posted : Apr 20, 2010 21:11
Are you guys saying that you want to play an entire set in one key?

Seems odd, especially if you intend on scaling your set to increase or decrease in bpm.
I find that changing the key during the set enhances what you're doing with the tempo of your set.
Thoughts?

Basilisk
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Posted : Apr 22, 2010 06:15
Where did you read that? You don't have to be stuck in one key; just mix into a complimentary key.
Becktrank
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Posted : Apr 23, 2010 05:57
hey...want to hear from ppl who is using mixed in keys...

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supergroover
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Posted : Apr 23, 2010 11:09
Mixing sounds alot better if the two tracks you are mixing are in key. You will notice.           soundcloud.com/supergroover
Upavas
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Posted : Apr 24, 2010 03:11
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On 2010-04-23 11:09, supergroover wrote:
Mixing sounds alot better if the two tracks you are mixing are in key. You will notice.




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Elad
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Posted : Apr 24, 2010 04:14
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On 2010-04-20 21:11, rich wrote:
Are you guys saying that you want to play an entire set in one key?




no , you can always move from C scale to either C , F , G , Am scales and it sounds smooth.

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Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 26, 2010 19:11
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On 2010-02-03 21:48, Elad wrote:
how many really even KNOW how much scale changes when pitching up from 128 to 130 (1.6%) and actually use it?



27 cents.
Probably, not enough to make anybody’s ears bleed.

Quote:

does the machine allready beat the humans (not yet i guess cause we see the % of detection isnt so good and sometimes beat match it just wrong in auto mode)



Machines are not as good at transient detection as humans are (although may be close). Also, in pitch detection, the shorter the notes, the more errors you’ll see. Put these two together and you’ll realize that a program doing tempo and pitch detection in a single pass probably does neither well.

Sorry about budding in (I know nothing about DJ-ing and should not be here). Just thought it could somehow be useful for your discussion.
daio


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Posted : Apr 27, 2010 17:19
it's good to know the keys...specially for not prearranged sets!you cannot try to listen if the tracks
fit each other live...you loose time and time is prescious!so,if your cds or mp3s are well arranged
you can start freestyling with much better results!
Dennis the menace
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Posted : Apr 27, 2010 18:08
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On 2010-04-27 17:19, daio wrote:
you cannot try to listen if the tracks
fit each other live...



ever heard of pfl? most dj mixers have it
daio


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Posted : Apr 27, 2010 18:48
^wow there's a new model that has?fast steps in technology!
but...you know what i mean...
you can't have a clear image in a noisy place
so that you can understand if the keys match...
don't know,maybe whith very good quality headphones and experinced ears can happen...
Dennis the menace
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Posted : Apr 27, 2010 20:32
sure i get your point
but with good closed headphones and monitors turned down you can sure hear if the tracks are in harmony

Anyways, its a waste of time searching for the right key while mixing.

As you said, its better to have the key written down
Shiranui
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Posted : Apr 28, 2010 20:28
Closed headphones, really? I find with some tracks closed headphones make the bassline sound out of tune.
polly
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Posted : May 3, 2010 23:11
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On 2010-04-28 20:28, Shiranui wrote:
Closed headphones, really? I find with some tracks closed headphones make the bassline sound out of tune.



I think closed headphones are only option for a dj set, if you have open ones...well ya cant hear shit as sound from live PA comes thru           http://www.myspace.com/polly_potb
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Posted : May 21, 2010 23:59
anyone knows this for detecting keys?

http://www.tspotter.net/


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