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Mixing in Keys --> Need help from people who do it
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Kane
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Posted : Oct 18, 2006 03:33
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Your ears detect track keys. And honestly, as a 4 year guitarist, you're talking about basic theory that should be done in every track...I don't need a program to do it..  |
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full_on
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Posted : Jul 1, 2009 02:18
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After a couple of years, I still can't figure for sure the tune of a track being played.
And I found out empirically that mixing in keys works very well, as long as you don't take it as a rule.
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kriz
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Kane
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Posted : Jul 2, 2009 07:33
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On 2009-07-01 02:18, full_on wrote:
After a couple of years, I still can't figure for sure the tune of a track being played.
And I found out empirically that mixing in keys works very well, as long as you don't take it as a rule.
Respect!
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What are you mixing with?
Btw, I have no idea what my last comment here was about..guess that was like 3 years ago though. 
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full_on
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Posted : Jul 4, 2009 03:00
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I use the good and old Pioneer CDJ-100s to mix from dark psy to low bpm progressive psy.
A funny thing is that mixing in keys works very well for dark psy/night full on, probably because of the faster transitions sometimes these styles demand and because it makes it easier (on the ear) to play many tracks in a few minutes (like 4 or 5 tracks in 10 minutes).
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Jul 4, 2009 07:12
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i would say it works even better with long transitions  |
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PsyUNIT
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Posted : Jul 7, 2009 09:38
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On 2006-08-22 23:54, full_on wrote:
The new program is called "Rapid Evolution", it is FREE, it is good and it is available here:
http://www.mixshare.com/software.html
I have a strong feeling that the "Rapid Evolution" is one of the most reliable key detection programs around, also it has a lot of useful features that I think everyone involved in mixing in key should check.
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Am looking for a key detection software.
Do you still think "Rapid Evolution" is more accurate than " Mixed in Key" for key detection ?
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Psynthex
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Posted : Jul 7, 2009 17:27
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Mixed in key is definetly better! Maybe you should check other proper forums about that. On some forums they are having discussions about this and that. They are comparing results and comparing programs... but in reading something about that issue.. i think Mixed in key is better solution 
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full_on
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Posted : Jul 12, 2009 13:04
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I disagree with Psynthex.
Rapid Evolution can be a valid choice at least till you really get it, in the worse case scenario Mixed in Keys and Rapid Evolution agree at least in 65% of the tracks (data from my last benchmark involving 1059 tracks from various styles). And Rapid Evolution is FREE and presents some interesting features.
Also you can learn a lot just by reading their page:
http://www.mixshare.com/wiki/doku.php?id=harmonic_mixing
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Yuli
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Posted : Jul 12, 2009 22:27
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All those programs are invented for lazy ppl that don't want to spend their time and use their ears.
I said that 3 years ago and I say it now, every single track I buy or receive as promo, and I have a lot of these I check for the root with a piano and its a max 10 seconds deal.
It is mere practice issue and not to be lazy and search for the easy way out. Once the DJ's or those that want to be DJ's will understand that being a DJ is being a musician, maybe then they start using their ears too, instead of being dependent on dumb programs that check for statistics of frequencies throughout a track and very often totally mistaken.
I guess a lot of parties might benefit from that!
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Psynthex
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 03:36
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On 2009-07-12 13:04, full_on wrote:
I disagree with Psynthex.
Rapid Evolution can be a valid choice at least till you really get it, in the worse case scenario Mixed in Keys and Rapid Evolution agree at least in 65% of the tracks (data from my last benchmark involving 1059 tracks from various styles). And Rapid Evolution is FREE and presents some interesting features.
Also you can learn a lot just by reading their page:
http://www.mixshare.com/wiki/doku.php?id=harmonic_mixing
Respect!
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Well... Its a matter of taste Mixed in Key has been used by many DJs and producer from all around ) Also pete Tong is using it if you know the guy. And i think he should afford the best program avaliable. So this is my opinion!
And i agree with Yuli, but there is one catch; A lot of DJs ( in some cases ME included ) cant define the key of the track - melody speaking. Some DJs dont even know how to listen to a track..or what to listen. And there is a problem.. if you dont know what to listen, you dont even know what to press and where to press!!!! But thats the other issue i presume )
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Login
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Posted : Jul 13, 2009 06:06
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I think rapid evolutio is better, i analyzed my 350 tracks i use for djing, with both and then a friend of mine checked them with a piano, and rapid had fewer errors. But the difference is not great.
But actually a lot of minimal has only one or two notes so its very difficult to make a decission where it belongs.
Any way, I organize my cd wallet by key and its pretty usefull when you ar ein trouble and you need a song fast or you are tired after 4 hours and wzanna keep it smooth without much effort.
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Shiranui
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Posted : Jul 14, 2009 08:08
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On 2006-08-24 17:48, dtd wrote:
ah, so the whole thing applies when mixing with audio files/cds (where you can "read ahead" while playing (for the time stretch procedure))? i can't imagine this to be done when mixing vinyl in realtime as timestretching can need information not yet "seen" by the needle (and vinyl is rotated in the tempo it actually plays on the pa, so no "read ahead" is possible).
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Actually it's possible with vinyl but you have to add a little bit of delay (the more delay you add the higher quality your timestretching will be) |
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full_on
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Posted : Jul 14, 2009 13:25
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On 2009-07-12 22:27, Yuli wrote:
All those programs are invented for lazy ppl that don't want to spend their time and use their ears.
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I understand your point, mr. musician, but it seems you're not taking into consideration the fact that I can't figure out the keys just with my ears, and that's why I put many, many hours of effort developing my own program to compare the results from these 3 programs and statistically analyzing the results.
Not to mention I don't trust my ears on this. When in doubt I as the artists or my brother (who is a musician). I guess many people around here can't figure the key just with their ears.
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On 2009-07-13 06:06, Login wrote:
I think rapid evolutio is better, i analyzed my 350 tracks i use for djing, with both and then a friend of mine checked them with a piano, and rapid had fewer errors. But the difference is not great.
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I did the same, but with a sub set of around 100 tracks representing different keys.
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Jul 14, 2009 17:37
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So far I only heard one DJ ever talk about mixing in key.
I find it very encouraging and admirable to read here in this thread. It's great to see this effort so that you can mix in key.
I can understand the use of a program, since you might want to react spontaneously in a mix and maybe just happen not to have manually analized song number 1274 which you just consider to play now.
Anyways, since I see that this can help, from now on I will print the key for each of my songs in my booklet and mention it in the comment of the MP3 file if downloadable from my site. I hope other artists will follow.
Most of my music for you to download at:
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