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Mixing in Keys --> Need help from people who do it

Sakyamuni
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Posted : Jul 23, 2009 21:26

I do not read every post, excuse me if I already said this, but I use a program called Mixed in Key! It is very cool           Sakyamuni> Groove Nightly Progressive Psychedelic Trance
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Yuli
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Posted : Jul 24, 2009 01:40
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On 2009-07-14 13:25, full_on wrote:

I understand your point, mr. musician, but it seems you're not taking into consideration the fact that I can't figure out the keys just with my ears, and that's why I put many, many hours of effort developing my own program to compare the results from these 3 programs and statistically analyzing the results.

Not to mention I don't trust my ears on this. When in doubt I as the artists or my brother (who is a musician). I guess many people around here can't figure the key just with their ears.




I still say it's merely matter of practice... Also playing trumpet is impossible when you hold it first time in your hands. But then you practice and learn how to make sounds with it. Same with this. All I am trying to say, is if DJing is not considered as playing an instrument, with all the rules that apply ( know notes, know scales ) then something is seriously wrong here.. After all if computer programs can analize tracks for us ( and they still 30% mistake ) then why not to let them DJ with another program... Computer will make no beatmatch faults, also it counts 4 / 8 / 16 / 32 very well... Easy...           A man with a "master plan" is often a woman
Basilisk
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Posted : Jul 29, 2009 14:13
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On 2009-07-12 22:27, Yuli wrote:
All those programs are invented for lazy ppl that don't want to spend their time and use their ears.



Rapid Evolution 2 is a smart piece of software. You can set it to analyze or use the built-in piano to do it yourself. Since I typically deal with a lot of music I have everything analyzed first and check everything by ear when I figure out what music I intend to bring out to a gig. It's quite convenient.

Relying on software alone is lazy, I agree. Using the software to improve your work-flow isn't. I mean, unless you're a purist that counts out BPMs on your fingers or something
ohshit
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Posted : Jul 30, 2009 02:02
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On 2009-07-29 14:13, Basilisk wrote:

Relying on software alone is lazy, I agree. Using the software to improve your work-flow isn't. I mean, unless you're a purist that counts out BPMs on your fingers or something




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civilian
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Posted : Sep 11, 2009 10:52
rapid evolution is very advenced but the interface is shit.
mixed in key - very not accurate results but good interface. (dont use it! it crap and i check also there last 4 version and its still the same shit and must to be on-line)
i know also mixmister do this thing but didnt check..cant tell

the program that do this with the most accurate key results is: Virtual DJ pro version 6.0. works perfect.
elastic_plastic
Re-Boot

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Posted : Oct 28, 2009 07:25
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On 2009-07-07 09:38, PsyUNIT wrote:
Quote:

On 2006-08-22 23:54, full_on wrote:
The new program is called "Rapid Evolution", it is FREE, it is good and it is available here:
http://www.mixshare.com/software.html

i dont noe how good rapid evolution is.... ive tried my hands at mixed in key though and i can say its good!!! but the best surely is
I have a strong feeling that the "Rapid Evolution" is one of the most reliable key detection programs around, also it has a lot of useful features that I think everyone involved in mixing in key should check.




Am looking for a key detection software.
Do you still think "Rapid Evolution" is more accurate than " Mixed in Key" for key detection ?

Thanks
Punit




+ 1 wid civilian on tht...
elastic_plastic
Re-Boot

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Posted : Oct 28, 2009 07:28
and if ne one lookin for the software i shall upload it in a bit....
hibotic


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Posted : Jan 26, 2010 03:55
Well I use this technique and the name for it is HARMONIC MIXING
To know a little beat more go to: http://www.harmonic-mixing.com/
Majoon


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Posted : Jan 29, 2010 14:48
He hibotic, the camelot wheel rocks, it's very clear and usefull.

Many thx
Psy_Clone
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Posted : Feb 3, 2010 20:51
How many of u use a program to identify keys?
Recently I understood that one of my main djing problem
is that I don't pay attention to keys and I mix very different tracks.
Now that I want to start mix in keys I have a conflict, use a program or
try doin it myself? I read here what perfect stranger
wrote and I kind of agree with him but I really wanted to
check how many here do it by themselves.
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Elad
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Posted : Feb 3, 2010 21:48
(apply this to people who play on cd decks like pioneer 100 for example - new players have better options to keep the key)

thinking that PITCH used to change bpm should take into concider that it changes the KEY too and usualy in not very usefull ways..

therefor the key is only small helper if you aint mixing the original bpm of both tracks.. and yeah beatmatch still counts first and most important so you gonna change pitch for sure.

so that said , how many really even KNOW how much scale changes when pitching up from 128 to 130 (1.6%) and actually use it?



does the machine allready beat the humans (not yet i guess cause we see the % of detection isnt so good and sometimes beat match it just wrong in auto mode)
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Feb 3, 2010 23:35
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On 2010-02-03 21:48, Elad wrote:
how many really even KNOW how much scale changes when pitching up from 128 to 130 (1.6%) and actually use it?




afaik the scale changes at 6% pitching, so if youre pitching above 3% you should use the new scale, if your below 3% you can use the same scale as reference for your next mix.

So pithing from 128 to 130 wont really change the key of the track, but it will color it for sure.
DJSAGHA


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Posted : Feb 22, 2010 14:06
~I also use harmonic mixing with keys, using Mixmeister, but, as Tiago (Tryambaka) said, most of the tracks tend to change the key in the middle of the song, this happens mostly in more heavy psy.
The trick i use to overcome this problem is opening each track in Cubase, cut the final 2 minutes of the track and find the key there, once the track as the final steady key!

now i found this site www.harmonic-mixing.com very usefull, ill try those technics stated there, my only problem is that i have mostly originals and to use the technic ill need to rip them to computer and make 2 copys of it....will try once i have more time!

Nice topic BTW
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Spindrift
Spindrift

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Posted : Feb 22, 2010 17:27
I started using Rapid Evolution to analyse and rename tracks, and is using Complex Pro in Abelton to timestretch which does sound quite good.
I have been a sceptic for some time since timestretching tends to degrade quality too much, but with complex pro I fell it's a worthwhile tradeoff since it's really enjoyable to have control over the harmonics.
And trying to do harmonic mixing when using re-pitch just seems either too complicated or too limiting.

What I do is that I rename using this format string in RE:
{%filename%}{ (%key%}{ %keycode% }{ %bpm%)}

Using advanced key detection that gives me for example a trackname like this:
Artist -Track (C#m phrygian 11A 145).wav

That is a bit more verbose than desired, and unfortunately RE will not rename using the advanced keycodes that is shown in the program, and instead the rename function uses standard camelot notation.

To solve that I have a button in DirectoryOpus running a regexp-rename to condense the information.
For those of you familiar with regexp, the expression used for old name is:
((.*) (([CDEFGABm#]+) ([a-z])([a-z]*) ([0-9]+)(A|B) (.*))).(.*)
And new name:
2 (3 648)

That gives me with the above example :
Artist -Track (C#m 11p 145).wav

So far it has been working great. The nice thing about using advanced keycodes is that you get more options when looking for tracks that mix well, since not only will you be able to match as you do with camelot where an 11A track should mix ok with 11A of course as well as 10A, 12A and 11B.
You can also get a harmonic mix with other phrygian scales regardless of the base note.
Also I have transpose knobs for each track, so I can adjust the harmony of tracks if needed in semitone steps.
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reEto
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Feb 28, 2010 19:43
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you never should trust any "mixInkeys "software.
i think & hope you have 2 ears. trust them. its the best software you have.

and then do my 5 points to become the worlds fam dj.

1. practise
2. practice
3. listen & practice
4. practize
5. praktize

thats all


cheeRs & dont freeZe

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