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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht

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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:04
colin, offer a tactical military solution that would ease your morals, a viable one not an abstract one, and one that doesn't include having a ton of israeli dead soldiers in exchange. for real, i and ever israeli would be all ears.

i get your long term solution view is "give them a country". i am asking RIGHT NOW, a rocket is being fired at me. offer a solution for the RIGHT NOW moment of a rocket fired.
          
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Faxi Nadu / Elmooht

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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:07
this is a-symetrical warfare, this is the challenge. how do you fight moraly an a-moral enemy? in israel, with experience unfortunatley, we have found partial solutions that colin finds inadequete, ok. so how?           
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:10
This might be a good place to start. Not a military solution however (but then a 'military solution' ignores the disease and just deals with the symptoms, leaving the disease there).

Quote:

Withdrawal of Israeli tanks from the Gaza border.

Freeing all the prisoners that were arrested after the killing of the three youths.

Lifting the siege and opening the border crossings to commerce and people.

Establishing an international seaport and airport which would be under U.N. supervision.

Increasing the permitted fishing zone to 10 kilometers.

Internationalizing the Rafah Crossing and placing it under the supervision of the U.N. and some Arab nations.

International forces on the borders.

Easing conditions for permits to pray at the Al Aqsa Mosque.

Prohibition on Israeli interference in the reconciliation agreement.

Reestablishing an industrial zone and improvements in further economic development in the Gaza Strip.


Seems like these are pretty much solely geared to letting Gaza residents live their lives in dignity and give them the possibility of a decent quality of life. I'm guessing that would have the effect of reducing attacks on Israel. If accepted, these conditions would (apparently) lead to a 10-year truce, during which good-faith negotiations would have to take place to deal with the root of the problem, as I described in an earlier post.

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daio


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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:13
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On 2014-08-14 15:03, faxinadu wrote:
btw you didn't offer a solution, you critisized the strategy again, but have no other method to offer?




what am i to offer a solution to a war?
a war technology expert???
You better find a solution for your people who lives whith non-stop problems thousands of years now .. And That's probably extinct Palestine
faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht

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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:15
nice, all good, in the DAY AFTER.

first you got to deal with hamas and all the other islamist organization, before any of that can even be implemented.

we are all here in israel in favor of a "marshal plan" in gaza, but not while they are armed with rockets and digging attack tunnels, you want to negotiate, this is where you gotta meet us. you want those points you talked about, we want rockets gone, tunnels gone, supervision on what building materials are used for, and an actual armed international force and not a united nations one. we want british and american troops. you still in?

someone has to deal in a military way with hamas, you want the job or you want to stfu and give the job to us? you want dead british soldiers or israeli ones, cause it will be one or the other.

i might hire you as a diplomat, but not as a planner.

@diao when you critisize and then asked what your own course of action would be and your responce is "how sohuld i know deal with it", then why even say something in the first place?
          
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht

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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:18
oh and colin, another point i inisit on in our little peace process is all those extreme adjectives are no longer used. drop the genocide, nationalist, zionists, whateverist.
          
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Faxi Nadu / Elmooht

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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:20
btw colin hahaha you know your set of "demands" is pretty much 1to1 hamas' set? other than any international force of course :0 but for that they won't give us peace, that isn't the offer, just a cease fire, so they can dig it all again
          
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Faxi Nadu / Elmooht

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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:22
and lastly, i wonder, you have no demands from egypt?           
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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:39
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On 2014-08-14 15:15, faxinadu wrote:


@diao when you critisize and then asked what your own course of action would be and your responce is "how sohuld i know deal with it", then why even say something in the first place?




common you try to excuse the action of murdering hundrends of innocents by asking me what would I do?The point is what should you do in a country that supports other peoples cold murdering.
faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht

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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:40
back to that are we? and you ask why i say talking to you is like talking to a wall, zero option for progress, yet i'm the fasict yap.
          
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht

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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:41
k fuck it, gonna go to my nazi rally           
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daio


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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:47
Stop killing people down there.
Give those people some earth to walk and air to breathe.You try to extinct them.Can't belive alterted concsiousness people support those ideas.We go nowhere.
Colin OOOD
OOOD/Voice of Cod

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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:50
Quote:

On 2014-08-14 15:20, faxinadu wrote:
btw colin hahaha you know your set of "demands" is pretty much 1to1 hamas' set? other than any international force of course :0 but for that they won't give us peace, that isn't the offer, just a cease fire, so they can dig it all again


Actually those ARE Hamas' conditions for a 10-year truce, offered on July 16. If you're dismissing them because they come from Hamas then you're showing unfortunate prejudice, because taken on their own they are pretty reasonable.

As I said above but you seemed to ignore so that you could make the point yourself here, as if I hadn't said it, they are not intended or suggested as conditions for a permanent peace. A permanent peace will only be obtained after the Palestinians and Israel sit down around a table and hammer out (amongst other things) the establishment of a sovereign, independent Palestinian state, viable in territory and resources, and the permanent security - and demarcation - of Israel's borders and the safety of its people. It's the conditions - the environment - for those negotiations that would be made possible by the acceptance of those terms.
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht

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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:55
sorry colin, NO.

you can't get everything and give nothing.

you ignore maybe 10 times the issue - you gonna send british troops? you have issues with egypt? none? you gonna do something about the rockets and tunnels and the islamic ideology and iranian backing?

you are saying "hey accept hamas terms, they are legit", agreeing with what they ask for thus blaming israel and giving us here NOTHING to ease our concerns.

now i thought we made progress, and i again get you are full of shit lets get back to calling you an asshole, was way more realistic

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Faxi Nadu / Elmooht

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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:58
the terms:

- hamas and all islamic orgs disarms from everything
- hamas hands over true control to the PA
- PA signs a contract with outside countries (say egypt) that they promise gaza won't rearm with heavy weapons.
- western nations + arab nations together send an adequete and armed force to the borders.
- any detection of an attack tunnel will be destroyed with no bullshit from the world concerning it.


THEN we can talk marshal plan. sorry but you act like they won this war and get a prize, they lost it they want? they give. not the other way around, waaaaaaay to late for that. again colin you are fighting the war of yester-year when will the lightbulb turn on for you come on
          
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