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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 14:32
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On 2014-08-14 14:23, faxinadu wrote:
see, in that post you pasted on page 12 here you state that the israeli forces were twice or three times more in number than the combined arab forces, yet you claim the arabs were a majority here. also want to remind you egypt is what? 60-80 million people? israel back then was 500k maybe a bit more. and that is just egypt.
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You're making the mistake of assuming that a large population means a large army. Just because Israel (and the Zionist faction before the establishment of Israel) started its life as an intensely militarised population doesn't mean every other country had a similarly proportioned army.
Yes, non-Jews were a majority in the land overrun by Israel in the war of 1948.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 14:35
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On 2014-08-14 14:21, daio wrote:
So Israel's war technology can't locate terrorists and prefers to bomb buildings whith women and children inside?
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so i guess you are another one that wonders random things without checking. there is no war technology that can kill the hamas leaders who are hiding under the main hospital in gaza (known fact by all involved) without killing colin's children.
there is no way to kill a terrorist fighting a rocket from a schoolyard without hitting children.
we in israel are welcome to your military strategy and suuggestions on this issue, would love a solution, you got one?
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I'm no military strategist but perhaps the tactics used by the IDF on the Turkish aid convoy in the Mediterranean a few years ago would be a good place to start.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 14:38
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perhaps, but not possible against 10-20k strong force with serious firepower i think. tbh we would all welcome such an operation.
you know what i suggest? and even avigdor liberman endorses it and he is like our version of a putin? why doesn't the uk, the us, europe, all you all, why don't you take over gaza? for real thats what we israelis want.
deploy forces there, set up civil administration, get rid of hamas how you see fit and moral and prepare them for running a de-militirized country.
you willing to send troops there? you do know many of those troops will die, and you do know it will be a mess. you accused israel for years of mis-handeling his mess, why don't you have a go? or all you can do is condem us in the UN and diss on isratrance?
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moki
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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 14:41
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On 2014-08-14 11:12, TimeTraveller wrote:
If Israel wanted peace with arabs, we would have it for decades now.
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according to the political education this documentary gave me, barak wanted peace and was even ready for a big compromise to the advantage of the arabs. but arafat showed that he is not interested in peace but in the complete power of Allah over Jerusalem. And this is the real and simple problem.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEHqDG1EVHQ
The point is (imo) that terrorists will probably always continue with their actions as long as non-islamic religions coexist. Yes, indeed, this is my opinion, and i might be totally wrong, but this is based on my experience. How come i have read the islamic scriptures and i have been interested in this religion whereas i never met an "islamic" person who knows much about our culture and is interested on tolerating it?
I think it will be a real desaster if the world loses the immense herritage of hebrew culture just for the purpose of false "political peace" - false because in a situation of peace the arab world would probably only wait till the western world is bankrupt to strike back in the name of Allah. Or not?
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The western governments should invest in the 3rd world and spend our taxes for lives and not for bombs.
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yes, true. I think it is 100 times more important to look for a solution to this problem ( how to make our governments do the right thing ). simply because this is something we CAN do. we will reach nothing with antisemitic demonstration besides that the middle world will probably just become worse.
what i do not know is, why do the palestinians need to stay with their children in gaza and not move to safer places like all other war refugees in the west?
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 14:41
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On 2014-08-14 14:32, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2014-08-14 14:23, faxinadu wrote:
see, in that post you pasted on page 12 here you state that the israeli forces were twice or three times more in number than the combined arab forces, yet you claim the arabs were a majority here. also want to remind you egypt is what? 60-80 million people? israel back then was 500k maybe a bit more. and that is just egypt.
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You're making the mistake of assuming that a large population means a large army. Just because Israel (and the Zionist faction before the establishment of Israel) started its life as an intensely militarised population doesn't mean every other country had a similarly proportioned army.
Yes, non-Jews were a majority in the land overrun by Israel in the war of 1948.
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again wrong facts. ALL the arab towns were arms well before israel, will before britain. during the ottoman times it was almost anarchy here, the ottoman central government almost to the end had a very weak hold here. local arab war lords controlled areas, and beduins would swoop in from the south periodically and raid everyone - arabs, jews, christians.
the arab villiagers at the onset of fighting were armed to the teeth, albeit with mostly light weapons (but so was the israeli army, almost no heavy weapons till the very last stages of the war)
the arabs after the mid thirties were no longer a majority here.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 14:43
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indeed - rabin, peres, barak, tsipi livni and even bibi offered a lot to them. barak went the farthest and offered them pretty much the moon on a plate. i think looking back now their moderate leaders are kicking themselves for not accepting that. but the organizations wouldn't even hear of it lol, not an option even.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 14:45
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The rest of the world knows, but Israel seems determined not to acknowledge, that without an independent, sovereign Palestinian state that is viable in terms of territory and resources, the violence will just keep coming back and back and back. Hamas' demands for that state to encompass all of Israel are obviously themselves genocidal and unrealistic, but if Israel wants actual peace it is inevitable that it too will have to compromise in terms of those resources and that contiguous territory. The sooner that happens, the better for everyone involved. Maybe an international force separating Israel on one side and Gaza and the West bank on the other is what is needed at first - I've suggested as much myself elsewhere - but the only thing that can make those necessary compromises happen on the Israeli side is pressure from its own population. On the Palestinian side, as you say, not everyone there supports Hamas and support for making compromises to Hamas' demands for the elimination of Israel will be very easy to find if the people understand (and more importantly believe) that doing so will ensure the cessation of Israeli violence and oppression.
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faxinadu
Faxi Nadu / Elmooht
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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 14:46
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colin what is your take on the fact that arafat's personal equity was over $1billion, haled mashal 2.5 billion, abu marzuk 2.3 billion and haneya 4 million? doesn't it bother you that your taxes pay for european aid to gaza that ends up in the pockets of hamas leaders with the two top guys living it in the best hotels in the world in qatar while your children in gaza are dying while they decide if to break another cease fire?
come dude, i ask you, why not join the real just cause?
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 14:48
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 14:48
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colin, israel has offered it. i call on you to enlist, come to gaza, see how much they like you. you fail to understand the palestinian cause was looooooooooong ago hijacked by islamists. it was about that, it isn't about that anymore.
if they get a country now you know what will happen? they will have a civil war between islamists and loyalists and "other rebels" syria style. there will be zero stability. you know what? maybe you are right. let them kill each other and no one condems israel, and of course if they kill each other and it isn't sirael involved who gives a shit right?
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 14:51
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right now christians, jews, muslims can all visit the holy places in jerusalem and elswhere. you want peace and stability right? a few dozen organizations fighting each other is what you will get.
today was reported jordan is also deciding to take action agaisnt the muslim brotherhood (father organization of hamas)... you think this will go down well? you think a fragile as fuck "palestine in between egypt, iraq, jordan andd syria has any chance of prospering and becoming an open society?
if you are really careful with reading betweent he lines, even Abbas and the PA's strategy right now is to hold ground and hope the muslim wars subside. the last thing they want now is to stand alone.
that push against hamas now came because hamas too know this and have tried to preasure egypt by provoking israel. there is a geo-political "game", and while it is 3D you keep falling to the mistake of looking at it in a linear fashion. word is egypt and abbas are pissed at israel for "not hurting hamas enough" thus letting hamas come to negotiate with an arrogant attitude.
in fact while you scream the protests of yesteryear there is now pretty much an aliging of interests between Israel-Egypt-Palestinian Authority-Jordan-Saudi Arabia
you are fighting a fight that i'm not sure exists even at the moment 
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daio
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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 14:57
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On 2014-08-14 14:27, faxinadu wrote:
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On 2014-08-14 14:21, daio wrote:
So Israel's war technology can't locate terrorists and prefers to bomb buildings whith women and children inside?
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so i guess you are another one that wonders random things without checking. there is no war technology that can kill the hamas leaders who are hiding under the main hospital in gaza (known fact by all involved) without killing colin's children.
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.. The only way to act there is to bomb the building above them when innocent people inside? Is there where your strategy ends?Pretty creative i would say.. |
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:01
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no, our strategy is to try to evacuate the area by first dropping leaflets hours in advance, then calling by phone homes where rockets are fired from and telling the peopel to get out of there, then firing a warning shot that is an empty round at the wall, then firing at the wall.
another strategy is to actually enter with our soldiers and try to street fight the armed people, causing our soldiers to get killed.
none of your countries fight like that. your countries fight with napalm and carpet bombs and shock armoured assault.
war, is war. people die in war. its a bad thing. you can't come and say "well you killed people in war, so you are evil".
trust me, we honestly try. telling you from the truth of my heart, no one here is killing civilians on purpose.
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faxinadu
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Posted : Aug 14, 2014 15:03
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Colin OOOD
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