Looking for psy trance in San Francisco (so far only found Parus to play it)
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Posted : Feb 10, 2011 05:15
Breakdowns are an essential part of good psytrance imo (even if it's just 4 bars). Sure there can be a build/release of tension in a different way, but there are a zillion ways breakdowns can be utilized to add to the dynamics of a track. I especially love tracks that use them to transition into a completely new sound.
Excellent example of a great use of a breakdown transitioning into a new section/sound (starting at 2:52):
Cutting a breakdown out of a track would usually sound terrible and create an abrupt transition, I don't think djs should edit tracks like that since it takes away from the original intent.http://soundcloud.com/ascensionsound www.chilluminati.org - Midwest based psytrance group
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Posted : Feb 10, 2011 23:09
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On 2011-02-10 05:15, Ascension wrote:
Cutting a breakdown out of a track would usually sound terrible and create an abrupt transition
Only if you suck at editing.
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Posted : Feb 11, 2011 00:03
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On 2011-02-10 23:09, Shiranui wrote:
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On 2011-02-10 05:15, Ascension wrote:
Cutting a breakdown out of a track would usually sound terrible and create an abrupt transition
Only if you suck at editing.
ok so riddle me this..don't you feel that kevins statement can't be somewhat true shiranui? i mean do you feel that key changes from minor to major that could potentially be a 6/8 section as opposed to a 4/4 section do not need to have a breakdown? I'm interested to hear what YOUR music sounds like. I feel that that would break you out of a trance WORSE than a breakdown...to all of the sudden be shifted from a 4 / 4 time signature to a 6/8 switching from a minor key to a major key...dance is active meditation..so if you are dancing and listening to trance, nad you believe, then you ARE meditating regardless of if people are talking or not...move away from the talkers...spare your own experience. do it for you WARNING: The Reality Master General has determined that Mr. Vomit may significantly alter your reality. Usage of the knowledge provided by Mr. Vomit may be perceived as dangerous and subversive by those in authority.
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Posted : Feb 11, 2011 00:10
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On 2011-02-10 05:15, Ascension wrote:
Cutting a breakdown out of a track would usually sound terrible and create an abrupt transition
Only if you suck at editing.
+1 to what dave said.
If a breakdown separates 2 different sounding sections of a track it will. If a new sound is brought in during the breakdown it will sound out of place (quite un-trance like). If the track drops abruptly into the breakdown, then takes a bit to build back up it probably will sound bad too.
Good breakdowns are done on purpose to make the track better, not to piss people off and stop them from dancing . I think breaks are really what separate trance music from other non-trance genres. Given the common length of most psytrance tracks being longer than most genres, I generally feel that those without breaks become boring and monotonous.
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Posted : Feb 11, 2011 13:45
mental breakdowns are essential.
trance is all just a bunch of kbbb's and tss tss tss's anyway the magic is you.
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Posted : Feb 11, 2011 13:56
ive only seen parus from about 5 stories above and behind them. from what i hear there was in fact trance and breakdowns going on and people liked them because of how it made them feel. it made them feel like they liked something and that feeling is something people love to feel... i know ive asked them..
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Posted : Feb 11, 2011 20:26
haha thanks for the opinion of Oakland!!
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Posted : Feb 11, 2011 22:48
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ok so riddle me this..don't you feel that kevins statement can't be somewhat true shiranui? i mean do you feel that key changes from minor to major that could potentially be a 6/8 section as opposed to a 4/4 section do not need to have a breakdown?
Most music I'm thinking of that has breakdowns is not quite so clever.
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Posted : Feb 11, 2011 23:44
gotcha...so you are saying that potentially you wouldn't mind a few 4 bar breakdowns if it was to "enhance" instead of "distract" afterwards.
I know that when i'm at a full on party there's all kinds of dramatic breakdowns that take 20-30 seconds of zipp bwaaap zooom bwarrrrp type things that pretty much i'm over within the first few bars...
so in that regard i could definitely agree with you Shiranui that breakdowns in that type of sound could totally smash it.
now i write fast stuff, with little to no breakdowns..but i must add a couple here and there to give the listener / dancer a break for breathe..but only like a few seconds..until it gets all mental again...in a different key / time signature
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Posted : Feb 11, 2011 23:49
yeah death to over-dramatic full-on breakdowns booooo - kills the floor energy.
I'm also not really a fan of the fake drops in a breakdown...like the producer is trying to trick you into thinking that the beat is coming back but its more bandpassed bass and crescendos....
Though I have heard of people who like that. One of the guys who I do some collaboration with loves to be tricked like that. If you want to make an apple pie from scratch...you must first invent the universe
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Posted : Feb 12, 2011 00:32
over dramatic yes.. for sure
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Posted : Feb 16, 2011 03:58
Wow, I haven't posted on isra forever. Great thread. Here's my over-analytical bastard opinion.
If people are bored with any sort of music they should just move on. Trance is trance is trance. If you're looking for something else look elsewhere, if you're looking to create something else, create it elsewhere. Keep trance as such and progress your musical experimentation into other splintered subgenres (which we all love when we're in the mood for that). I love all sorts of music, house and techno included, even fucking hip hop. I just love to dance period. Most of any other electronic genres are actually (in my never humble opinion) way better and inspiring to dance to.
But when I want trance, I mean trance, I want trance. If someone throws a so called trance party and I'm in the mood for trance, and I throw down money, and make the effort to go... it's because I want to wail like a banshee like there's no tomorrow.
I'm equally sick, as all the other people who've posted here, of all the long so called clever break downs, so called trippy floaty bits, and long build ups that so many 'trance' DJs and artists feel obligated to puke their self indulgence onto my consciousness with.
The thing is a breakdown/floaty bit/buildup can actually happen while the hardcore pounding beat continues in the background. Many artists and DJs pull that off (off the top of my head AJJA comes to mind, his shit goes all over the place but you never feel interrupted). To interrupt the relentlessness is to interrupt trance and it just is not trance at that point. It's really as simple as that. It's a simple definition.
There's nothing wrong with all that crap and I love and crave it in other music at other times when I'm in the mood for other things. I hit all kinds of trancendental states from delving deep into dance when dancing to all myriad of other genres of music.
But when people seek out trance, they're not seeking interruptions.
When a DJ or artist throws down a 60-90 minute set at a trance event, and 30% of it is composed of interruptions in the form tedious breakdowns, floaty bits, and buildups. They simply need to stop and realize that they just forced the people who came to fucking trance to not fucking trance for 30% of their set. Congratulations you fucking suck.
For me this applies to both full power trance and progressive trance. Both are only trance if they are relentless, and I love both equally for when I'm in the mood for either. The sort of techno breaks being passed off as prog lately is sickening. And I love techno breaks, but not when I'm supposedly buying into a trance event, prog or full power.
Have a good day, excuse my language, and keep my brain hemorrhaging when I paid to have it hemorrhaged. Thank you, I love you all. I'll rant again in a couple years when someone starts an equally good thread.
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Posted : Feb 17, 2011 14:35
I live just outside SF (in massachusetts), and I'm happy to come into town to rock it out!
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Posted : Feb 18, 2011 10:43
aweshum...andy come rock it out. we can have a party in my bedroom every day.
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Posted : Mar 20, 2011 02:18
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On 2011-02-10 05:15, Ascension wrote:
Cutting a breakdown out of a track would usually sound terrible and create an abrupt transition, I don't think djs should edit tracks like that since it takes away from the original intent.
not if you make or sample a new transition and ANY artist that complains about an edited track is a super sized fur burger with cheese combo, (this is said not with anger or directed at you but still said with all sencerity) I thought the day of pay'o'la was over lol.
Some of the best music is made with taking what you feel and building off it. dub, hip hop, and breaks where all built off this method. why can't I take 4 bars of lets say Mubali's track (picking on you because you were talking on the dance floor mr. lol sorry) but yeah why can't I take those bars that inspire me (your music does thank you) and translate that into what I feel? it's one thing if I'm cutting loops, making tracks and calling them my own. is it not another if I perform them in a live setting (djing) and people are like that's mubalis' track what no it's not it's meta's....what no it's not.... I don't know what it is because I'm really just in the zone and the shit sounds great? It's psytrance and really I shouldn't be coming to hear that certain song or whats hot and now.
Build ups, breakdowns are very important but they don't have to take away from the trance. I use bars of silence a lot of maybe people don't like it, so....if not then they should feel in the blanks and say hey thanks man you made me do this.....
it goes for full-on and "dark" (i don't like using that term) music. like Kindzadza (2nd best album of 2010 IMO. at least what came my way) let's say, sometimes the clunk clunk clunk glitch glitch glitch can be too much as with some long chessy full-on build up. When the guy says "let's get ready to Rummmmmbbbbllllleeee" it doesn't make me (imo) get more excited I just want the bell to ring and niggas just start kickin ass already.
but also most things don't excite me
@Andychrist I went to the unwashed tomato site and had a listen to that live set. very nice I got a little lost on the second half but then the last 15 min just kicked ass and It brought me back. I will say the set was same tone-ish though and it would have been cool to hear some more than just scrachy sounds that dominate but still nice come to soCal
@acension the Meta track you put was dope and yes great transition
@Mubali you go to the corner mr. and think about what you've done!!!! and don't come back until you write some more tracks for us
@everyone this is "psychedelic" music so be creative and tell your story we don't need rules and guidlines just good trips!
