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Lockal djs dont get payed vol 2!!!

uforica025
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 13:52
I don't care if the music is downloaded, I just care that it sounds good, and that I like it...



[/quote]that's true
Jedi_knight
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 14:23
Quote:

On 2008-04-17 13:52, uforica025 wrote:
I don't care if the music is downloaded, I just care that it sounds good, and that I like it...




that's true

[/quote]


NO guys THIS IS NOT TRUE!

A) When you download music from the internet at almost all times the tracks are in MP3 format and they can reach only 220 bit rate maximum.
B) When you buy an original cd the format is AUDIO and at almost all times the bit rate is 320.

There is huge difference in the quality of the sound between A & B , especialy when you play with professional cd players and especialy when you reach high volumes.

For example: I was listening a dj who was playig with mp3 and the sound was deformed. The dj was complaining about the sound system. After his set another dj played with oniriginal cds and the sound was just perfect. I thought that i was in a difrent place!!!

HUGE DIFFERENCE GUYS , BELIEVE ME!!!!!!!


          ---RealPsyLifeForRealPsyPeople---
DETOX
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 15:49
Huge Difference for the real djs,the rest settle for the mp3's           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records

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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 15:57
mp3 doesnt make a dj or wave
practice does
uforica025
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 16:05
Quote:







NO guys THIS IS NOT TRUE!

A) When you download music from the internet at almost all times the tracks are in MP3 format and they can reach only 220 bit rate maximum.
B) When you buy an original cd the format is AUDIO and at almost all times the bit rate is 320.

There is huge difference in the quality of the sound between A & B , especialy when you play with professional cd players and especialy when you reach high volumes.

For example: I was listening a dj who was playig with mp3 and the sound was deformed. The dj was complaining about the sound system. After his set another dj played with oniriginal cds and the sound was just perfect. I thought that i was in a difrent place!!!

HUGE DIFFERENCE GUYS , BELIEVE ME!!!!!!!



[/quote]do you know the meaning of a GOOD Converter?
Today's technology makes miracles!
and by the way, most of downloads today, are in 320 kbps....
Jedi_knight
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 16:55
Quote:

On 2008-04-17 16:05, uforica025 wrote:
Quote:







NO guys THIS IS NOT TRUE!

A) When you download music from the internet at almost all times the tracks are in MP3 format and they can reach only 220 bit rate maximum.
B) When you buy an original cd the format is AUDIO and at almost all times the bit rate is 320.

There is huge difference in the quality of the sound between A & B , especialy when you play with professional cd players and especialy when you reach high volumes.

For example: I was listening a dj who was playig with mp3 and the sound was deformed. The dj was complaining about the sound system. After his set another dj played with oniriginal cds and the sound was just perfect. I thought that i was in a difrent place!!!

HUGE DIFFERENCE GUYS , BELIEVE ME!!!!!!!




do you know the meaning of a GOOD Converter?
Today's technology makes miracles!
and by the way, most of downloads today, are in 320 kbps....

[/quote]

NO man you can't convert from a LESSER quality to a HIGHER quality, this will be FAKE.You can't IMPROVE something with a converter , you can only CONVERT.Only vice versa (from higher to lesser quality). By the way the most downloads when they are mp3 are max at 220. The most downloads the people have..... You can find also some at 320 but they are mostly eps not albums or they have wav format.

The original is UNIQE!!!!!!!!

Try for example to play at a professional cd player an mp3 and then without changing the sound settings put the original and you will understand the differnce DIRECTLY.....
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
Moonsun Records

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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 17:19
i dont think jedi that most are 320 there much lower
320 u can buy mostly from beatport but if u dl
from rapidshare emule or dc ++ most are low
i even found 96kb tracks on net
plus some times u see some tracks 320 but if u put them on soundforce or tractor there rate is different, net is mostly for listening tracks for my opinion a dj can listen & choose ,and then buy it original , thats my choice
Inner State
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 17:58
I tottaly agree with jedi knight....there is a difference beetween the 2......even if the mp3 is 320 there is still a difference......differences that few ears will only realise in a party ....Differences in quality that only in high volume p.a systems you can spot....the original cds have this "shine" that mp3s dont ....even if they are 320.....not much of a difference...but still some....
Jedi_knight
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 18:14
Quote:

On 2008-04-17 17:19, MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr wrote:
i dont think jedi that most are 320 there much lower
320 u can buy mostly from beatport but if u dl
from rapidshare emule or dc ++ most are low
i even found 96kb tracks on net
plus some times u see some tracks 320 but if u put them on soundforce or tractor there rate is different, net is mostly for listening tracks for my opinion a dj can listen & choose ,and then buy it original , thats my choice




THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I'M SAYING NICK...

Read more carefully my words not the quotes i make........
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other_reality
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 19:56
Yeah, most of you are right about the difference between mp3 and audio. Almost.

I just think that downloading gives you the chance to really find and listen to what you actually like, and then go buy it. Also, many tracks can be found only on the internet, and this is the way of the future, whether we like it or not. (I still prefer vinyls if you ask me, and for sure quality Cd's with top mastering and colourful sleeves, but where are both ? )

320 kbps from beatport (or anywhere that is)though is really really close to the original audio. There are also formats like FLAC that are a bit bigger in size when compared to mp3. Generally speaking, the compression is affecting the harmonics of the sound, and this effect is more obvious in music with real instruments, or analogue equipment. The algorithm (fraunhofer and others) clearly state that it is working best by rejecting inaudible frequencies, and such frequencies rarely exist in modern psytrance productions. Meaning that fully digital music, is less affected by mp3 conversion (compared to classic or rock/jazz etc).

Another thing is that the sound system is also a very important factor, meaning that in cheap setups, even VBR bitrate mp3's are not sounding different from audio cd's.

As for the comments about real dj's and stuff, please guys don't make me laugh again.

I've seen the copied cd's in the cd wallets of numerous 3000 euro per night international top names. I've also seen live p.a's with midi cables lying unconnected on the floor. I'm not saying it's right, i'm just saying it's happening.

And all this fuss about real and unreal dj's is somehow lost in this thread...It all started from unpaid dj's and it went on through various phases, but its good.

My thoughts are that we should accept and speak openly of what is happening. If all guys inside here could just let aside any personal or whatever inhibitions, maybe we could manage a more honest conversation.


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DETOX
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 21:17
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On 2008-04-17 19:56, other_reality wrote:
I just think that downloading gives you the chance to really find and listen to what you actually like, and then go buy it.



Thats how downloading music should be used.

For example while browsing on the net i very often come across various new and even older artists who have great reviews but i have never heard about them so what i do is visit websites and check some samples or even download some full tracks from the net for preview reasons only and if i like what i hear i buy original because i always felt that i should support artists and labels that release good music according to my taste.

My most recent discovery was Thelonius Monk whose music i previewed on some Youtube videos before buying an original copy of his music from Starbucks yesterday night at my college,yeap you read correctly Starbucks from those small stands in front of the cashier offering great american music from the likes of Nina Simone,Davis Miles and Ella Fitzgerald.

Although i apply this method in our days mostly for non electronic music in the past i used to do the same for the majority of trance and progressive albums i used to buy.

Unfortunately the majority of people for many reasons have replaced the process of buying an original cd with the process of downloading in a lower quality,and its not always a matter of money unfortunately,some people believe that it is stupid buying music when you can get it for free no matter if you can afford it or not,some of them are also promoters and djs in this forum unfortunately.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
xrust
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Posted : Apr 17, 2008 21:41
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On 2008-04-17 19:56, other_reality wrote:
I've seen the copied cd's in the cd wallets of numerous 3000 euro per night international top names.


not original cds doesnt always mean mp3's man.it could either promos that have not being released yet(in the case of numerus 3000 eyro djs you are talking about),either beatport trACks or even copied from the originals(as a back up or as a copy that someone got from a friend.hell,it could even be unmastered fresh track that was finished 2 hours ago ).but i a m sure you know all that already.           Signature:



other_reality
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Posted : Apr 18, 2008 01:41
@xrust:

Yeah man, for sure. Beatport, promos, own productions, or emule That's my point, and I don't blame anyone. Music can come from anywhere... And for me it's the right thing to do, I have no problems in confessing that, I've personally used mp3's, as well as vinyl rips from records I own,original cd's, beatport tracks i've payed for, and music I made myself...anything I could use when I wanted to...

when someone loves what he's doing he can't be blamed for the origin of his music, since (and if) he's doing a good job. Whatever the fee he's getting !

In the end, all there is to a party (if we're talking about parties musicwise), is not detailed audio quality, or proof of ownership, or date of release or any of those things, its the vibe, the action, the feelings...

Artists themselves in this scene, are glad their music has been downloaded and thus gained reputation. I've read such interviews many times, I'm sure some of you as well. Not all dj's can have access to a vast selection of promos, and unreleased music all the time. Some of them have to do a big search to find their music, others just socialize with like-minded people and so on...The online community has opened up the boarders for everyone involved, and this is a good thing for everyone. And clearly, this business isn't rock star business. (some say skazi think otherwise )
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movek
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Posted : Apr 18, 2008 04:28
guys.. i have a feeling we 're doing circles
i've seen all these allready


another mp3 vs original cd's threat ?

..na leipei to vussino

marie you start the topic man ,
and you are the one coming with the shine of 'original' tracks instead of 320 kbps?
wtf kai lol mazi


ok back to the topic now.. (xana lol)

it is rediculus to discuss the difference
of mp3 and uncompressed PCM audio
no matter which quality reach the mp3
is a compress (cut the frequencies file)

Quote:

Hear, hear

Depending on the number of concerts you've attended, your ears may be more or less healthy for your age. But even if they're in perfect shape, human hearing is constrained by a number of limitations. At best, tests have usually shown that we can hear frequencies in a range between 20 to 20,000Hz. Our ears are also most sensitive between 2KHz and 5KHz, and they can detect changes between frequencies in increments of 2Hz—that's the effective "resolution" of hearing. As the average person gets older or the delicate cells of the ear are damaged by loud noise, high-frequency perception is reduced. In fact, most adults (myself included) have trouble hearing above 16KHz.

And these are just the physical limitations of the human ear. Our brains also play a role in filtering and analyzing the signals sent by the auditory nerve. The science of how we perceive sound is called psychoacoustics, and it has discovered a number of useful auditory effects. For example, one of my favorites is the Haas effect, which states that two identical sounds arriving within 30-40ms of each other from different directions will be perceived as a single sound coming from the direction of the first. It's often used in public address systems to reinforce the sound "from the stage," even if the loudspeakers are located farther to the side. MP3, like many other lossy audio compression schemes, relies heavily on these kinds of psychoacoustic effects to work its magic. In particular, it exploits the phenomenon of frequency masking.

Imagine two sounds with similar frequency profiles—say at 100Hz and 110Hz—but with different volume levels. If played by itself, the weaker sound is perfectly audible, but only the stronger will be heard if both are played simultaneously. The process of covering one frequency with another close (but not identical) frequency is called "masking." The degree to which frequencies can mask each other varies across the range of human hearing—our ears are less precise at the top and bottom of the audible spectrum. Loud transient signals (ones with very short duration) can also mask weaker signals for a short time, similar to the Haas effect. This type of masking is known as "temporal" masking and is also used in MP3 compression.




hehehehe
i still dont buy any originals


see if i come from the corner..

mods should lock this one for sure



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