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Lockal djs dont get payed vol 2!!!
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 19:30
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look take the promoter aspect 1 sec guys u see promoters that bring shakira or teisto ok
they bargen a price , when u have a country that has lots of people, like brazil or japan u can give a resident dj and pay 300 and dont be afriad to risk, this topic from the time it was opened its allways going to words the artists dj side, sorry but when u pay a club 2000 3000 4000 for 1 night 2 artists that want 1500 each
and u reach a bugget 10.000 euros all in acual need u dont even need a resident dj, cose all the people will come from ure guest,that the acual truth now as a dj my self i take same shit from promoters ,but i learn to understand 1 think if ure name cannot bring people
u cant get payed of it, and thats a fact
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xrust
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 20:34
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On 2008-04-07 19:30, MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr wrote:
this topic from the time it was opened its allways going to words the artists dj side
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well,if any promoter has anything to say he is absolutely free i suppose.
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sorry but when u pay a club 2000 3000 4000 for 1 night 2 artists that want 1500 each
and u reach a bugget 10.000
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yes ok,failig to compute the budget right or failing to find a cheap place is not dj's problem man.if you see that your party wont make it financially,then DONT DO IT.expencive clubs or expencive tickets or anything may be a problem,but it is not dj's proble.i mean first you ask from us to bring the ppl,then you are saying also to make the budget...what the fuck man,what do we need you for anyway???
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all in acual need u dont even need a resident dj, cose all the people will come from ure guest
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i would be really curius to see h0w a lineup with 2 guests and no resident would be like 
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,that the acual truth now as a dj my self i take same shit from promoters ,but i learn to understand 1 think if ure name cannot bring people
u cant get payed of it, and thats a fact
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this last part is just hilarius.but hey let me ask you something:hypothetically,you are going to buy meat to make a pastitsio.you have already ardere the spaghetti and the besamel from somewhere else,and you have allready payied for it.sice if you dont pay ,the spaghetti and the besamel will not arrive,so no pastitsio.but you decide to buy meat from the butxcher of your place.would you say to him:
"hey butcher,give me some meat,i want to make a pastitsio.if the pastistio is good and the people eat it i will pay you.if i fail to cook it well,or people are not hungry,then i will not pay you".
do you find it a logical thing to say?
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 20:50
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this last part is just hilarius.but hey let me ask you something:hypothetically,you are going to buy meat to make a pastitsio.you have already ardere the spaghetti and the besamel from somewhere else,and you have allready payied for it.sice if you dont pay ,the spaghetti and the besamel will not arrive,so no pastitsio.but you decide to buy meat from the butxcher of your place.would you say to him:
"hey butcher,give me some meat,i want to make a pastitsio.if the pastistio is good and the people eat it i will pay you.if i fail to cook it well,or people are not hungry,then i will not pay you".
do you find it a logical thing to say?
thats the most stupidest example iv heard in my life
promoters is not a game is like business u need to orginize things,like management or bussiness administration there are schools u go to to learn how to orginize ,ure stuck on psytrance,there other promoters who are doing
all kinds of music ,can u orginize full moon on ure own can u make boom? so why u coplain u think djs
with 4-5 or 8 years playing with 30 guests makes them something special, u need to build a name to do so,and make killer music , or else have conection
that u offer something to them and help them in ways
of promotion so they help u. i think xrust u think djing and getting payed is my best friend is a promoter and has done 30 parties and thats it, u have no clue how hard is to orginize something big and strong and if u dont know u learn from people that do,same as music production,this why isreal is top all help each other here, all kill each other find a solution to what each persons wants to do..and then tell me.
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xrust
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 21:39
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ok,lets forget the food part.though i dont think it is stupid,maybe you fail to understand.or you just dont want to answer.
lets also forget the fact that you are not answering to my questions.and lets take the other things u said one by one:
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promoters is not a game is like business u need to orginize things,like management or bussiness administration there are schools u go to to learn how to orginize
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ok ,totally agree.maybe some of the current promoters should go there.i didnt say the opposite. maybe those who cannot organize a party as it should be organized,should go there also instead of saying that"clubs and guests are too expensive and so we cannot afford paying the locals"
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,ure stuck on psytrance,there other promoters who are doing all kinds of music
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i am guessing that what you really mean is that there are other promoters who are doing all kinds of music.well,newsflash,this is a psytrance forum,i am a psytrance dj and you are a psytrance promoter.what is your point?why are you saying that there are other kinds of promoters??what do you want us to understand by that?
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,can u orginize full moon on ure own can u make boom?
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nop,and i know it.thats why i am not orgInizing any party or whatsoever.BUT in case i would like to make a party,the first thing i would do is to have some money as capital so i would be able to pay all my debts in case something goes wrong.
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so why u coplain u think djs
with 4-5 or 8 years playing with 30 guests makes them something special, u need to build a name to do so
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well,if someone is djing for 5 or 8 years and he has played with 30 guests then i guess that he is capable of doing a good job.and if the promoters keep booking him for all those years to their parties then yes,he has built a name.if this i am saying is not right,then it means for one more time that promoters know shit about their thing.am i wrong?
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and make killer music , or else have conection
that u offer something to them and help them in ways
of promotion so they help u. i think xrust u think djing and getting payed is my best friend is a promoter and has done 30 parties and thats it
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man i realy fail to understand what do you mean here.u know,besides promotion and marketing schools there are also english schools.perhaps you should consider visiting one .no offense!
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, u have no clue how hard is to orginize something big and strong and if u dont know u learn from people that do,same as music production,this why isreal is top all help each other here, all kill each other find a solution to what each persons wants to do..and then tell me.
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.ok you are now comparing party organizing,which involves ,money,collaborations,teamwork,public relationships,marketing etc with music production which is something you are doing buyourself,without interacting with ppl.
and it was my example tha stupidest ever????
edit:i tried very hard not to be bad and ironic.and i would apreciate other user's opinion here or i will start believing i live in a bubble 
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 21:50
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i am guessing that what you really mean is that there are other promoters who are doing all kinds of music.well,newsflash,this is a psytrance forum,i am a psytrance dj and you are a psytrance promoter.what is your point?why are you saying that there are other kinds of promoters??what do you want us to understand by that?
psytrance is the same in promotion like any other music thats my piont.u just need to learn how to do it right.
2..ok you are now comparing party organizing,which involves ,money,collaborations,teamwork,public relationships,marketing etc with music production which is something you are doing buyourself,without interacting with ppl.
and it was my example tha stupidest ever????
yes man if u dont know math u can count or make tax or do anthing with numbers
if u dont know how to manage things how can u make a deal see the market . plus orginizing is calling making deals contracts, u can learn this profectionaly in a school and do big events ,or u learn from people who just learn on the way ,but tell me it the same learn to be a dj from some like gms and they help u and show u and promote u or is it the same learn on ure own. just answer me this?
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xrust
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 22:06
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ok i will answer you this.no it is not the same.if you have onew of the gms guys for teacher you will learn stuff much quicker than if you were trying to learn how to mix alone.but this does not mean tha someone who will be teached by a known dj will eventually be better than someone who learned byhimself.there are many factors that make a good dj,and some of tose factors can not be taught.
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 22:34
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and some of tose factors can not be taught.
u answered my question
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xrust
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 22:39
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moonsun soory kiolas but i really dont get you.i am asking other thins,you are answering whatever,i really dont get you.what was the question that i answered ?
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 22:46
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learn to exept replies on topics is called forums
and u have conversation mate, when u discuss an isuee
u get replies on what people write,u ask things mate that
only god can answer u and i hope he can heehheh
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xrust
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Posted : Apr 7, 2008 22:53
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sorry ,i cant make a discussion with you.as a matter of fact i am speechless.i dont know if i should laugh or cry .
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other_reality
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Posted : Apr 8, 2008 02:44
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i have heared him a couple of times though and his music selection was more than ok.see what i am talking about?everything is relative.it is all a matter of taste.you may like alien project and astrix (random example) ,but i consider them big crap.so if a dj is playing this kind of stuff,is he playing crap music? 
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It isn't only a matter of taste. I mean it is, but ,partially. Uninspired, nothing to say , boring music is crap. You definitely know crap music when you listen to it. And it is being played recently more often than ever.
This is happening, because some dj's dont put the effort to play something interesting, and stick to the "recent release whatever" playlists. Most cannot go beyond the bass and the bassdrum elements, which they agonise to keep up and rolling ignoring the aspect of building an atmosphere or revealing a story. Whatever story, but there has to be one nonetheless.
It is not an easy task ofcourse, and such skills demand devotion and true love of what you're doing, which in the case of the "arpaxti" or "tsaba doxa" thinking ones, this is not happening.
That's what I mean by "crap music". For example, I may not like dark, but I will enjoy a skillful and adventurous set from one who's up to it. Or a progressive one, or whatever.
( as for am pws comment, I think he's a darkie so his opinion doesn't even count  )
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MOONSUN-RECORDS.gr
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Posted : Apr 8, 2008 06:15
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other_reality all types of music its up to people judgment
here ure talking about ure self again cose astrix would be astrix today if people called his music crap
so im relay sorry cose a dj playes for himself 1st learns
and then shares with people his music taste.plus skill comes with time and u learn each time better ,plus
djing is to experiment mostly by ure self.
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