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David(KIVA)
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Posted : Jan 17, 2005 21:25
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Maska
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 01:35
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On 2005-01-17 21:09, jhanna wrote:
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I don't care how it's done, name it live act or dj set, what I care about is that I have a good time and a good time for me is when I dance all night. I'm going to a party, not to a concert or to see a show.
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i always wondered why there arent many good psytrance producers in the usa, guess that question is answered. Cheers to Quadra and Deeper in zen!! U guys rule!
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Jhanna, you need to grow up and get a clue...We love our artists in Cali, as well as the rest of the world, including Mexico...WE LOVE ALL....You can talk all the crap you want and be sarcastic all you want about our scene...All you prove is that you have issues and can't accept that people are different and may not agree with everything you say...Pretty sad in my opinion.
This "worldwide" community we have here is special, why? Because it is about mutual love and respect for EVERYONE. However, I see that you feel you're better in every way and don't get what PSYTRANCE is all about. This is proven by your need to put others down simply for difference of opinion.......I can talk crap about some stuff that comes out of your country (which I have experienced, personally), but I choose not to. I'm not trying to put you or your peeps down, man...I love them as I love my neighbor and especially my brother KIVA. 
If I don't like it, to each their own...No need to get offensive like that and put it down, or even ruin it for someone else, you know? Maybe you should lay off the drink and think about it a bit.
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Maska
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 01:40
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http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/53546/forum/8/start/0
Check out this topic as well, Jhanna....Only released on one comp under his belt (if I am not mistaken) and already getting respect. Keep your eyes on the California/US trance scene....It is not one to take lightly as you expressed above. We will grow naturally, as needed, as there is no rush to exploit this special thing we have going here.
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jhanna
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 03:54
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hey im sorry , but u misenderstand my statement. im an NOT saying there arent good psy trance producers in the Usa. I like Quadra and deeper in zen even more than any mexican act. what i am saying, and think it is very clear from the beggining, is that the attitudes towards artists as expressed by soset and others in this forum, doesnt help at all for stimulating people to produce their own trance. thats all, i dont think thats sarcasm, but a reallity. |
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jhanna
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 03:58
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by the way good job soular records!!!! |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 04:14
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Wrong again Jhanna, what we are saying is that we are inspired no only by artists, but by DJs, Deco and all involved. No one is more or less, better or worse, all have the ability through any medium to inspire us.
We are not criticising artists, we are encouraging all involved in this wonderful culture to keep on doing what they do best. No herarchys, no bull, simply straight down from the soul, because (And I am already up to my neck in idealism) it is the only way it will work.
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jhanna
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 05:26
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yeah yeah im wrong offthenuttbottom ure absolutely right.. no point in discussing these any longer.... u guys simply wont get the idea.. see ya later!! |
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jhanna
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 05:57
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Uncle bob u need to take things less personal .. i never said anything against ur scene, one day i wanna experience it and then i can talk about that.. u think im talking crap about ur country... ure wrong i never said anything similar to that.. but if u wanna go on and get personal and say that im wrong and full of shit, well , who am i putting down with my words??? please tell me... and ure also not respecting my opinion,, by telling me i need to grow up,and that i dont have a clue??u re being more intolerant than i ever was with my words. im talking about music and music production,. nothing else... wanna get personal on this??? ure the one who needs to get a clue!! |
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furthur
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 06:46
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Let's get a bit less defensive here people. Jhanna never said anything negative towards artists in the States, but did towards partygoers, and there are partygoers everywhere like soset that go to a trance party to lose themselves in dancing, and there is nothing wrong with that, just like some people go to parties and don't dance at all, they are more interested in seeing an interesting show. This is not the case in North America only. So, yes, there was a bit of negativity in Jhanna's original post imo, but it was not the kind of negativity that everyone jumped on right away. Howerver, when someone expresses their disillusionment with something, be it well-founded or not, it does not mean that what they are saying is offensive in any way to anyone else. However, Jhanna, I am a bit upset that you finally do turn on everyone else in the above post, I was hoping to see even more patience that you have exhibited earlier.
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mono mono
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 08:53
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been to enough parties to know that LIVE never means "5 people on stage playing instruments and making this crazy psytrance" except for Juno Reactor, which is something like "5 guys running around playing drums and guitar and making sorta-psytrance", or medicine drum with "a singer, a drummer, and a violinist" but usually means "one or two guys, a laptop, and a keyboard or two".
Beware the Tsunami (of sound, biting tongue) promotion, where they list what looks like three artists but usually is one person.
If you're lucky you get to hear the computer hiccups, kind of like watching NASCAR racing and waiting for the bang-ups.
Hey! Jhanna is one of the chosen few, an appreciater of Soular records, one of the few US labels.
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 09:51
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Jhanna,
I get what your saying... makes sense. it just came off wierd. people do get complacent and maybe that is why the artist and promoters that do false advertise get away with it! I still stick to my 1st comment though. Who cares! Maybe well meet in mexico some day.
on another note..just wondering, my dad is working in san felipe for year. are there any parties there? if not, is it close to where the action is? Im trying to get over there! If I can do this trading(bookings) thing I'm pushing for with my friend Akbal, it just might happen! cross you fingers amigo mio! http://soundcloud.com/djkiva |
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Maska
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 18:52
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On 2005-01-18 05:57, jhanna wrote:
Uncle bob u need to take things less personal .. i never said anything against ur scene, one day i wanna experience it and then i can talk about that.. u think im talking crap about ur country... ure wrong i never said anything similar to that.. but if u wanna go on and get personal and say that im wrong and full of shit, well , who am i putting down with my words??? please tell me... and ure also not respecting my opinion,, by telling me i need to grow up,and that i dont have a clue??u re being more intolerant than i ever was with my words. im talking about music and music production,. nothing else... wanna get personal on this??? ure the one who needs to get a clue!!
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How do you figure? I am only preaching that we should not separate ourselves as a culture. We are psytrancers, world wide psytrancers...I detest anyone who gets up here and tries to put down anyone who is attemptig to, or is passionate about spreading our scene. I can only go by what you wrote in the message I responded to, as well as the other sarcastic replies you've had above that one. However if I am wrong about your meaning, than I apologize. America is not better than any other country.. We are all people and Depeche Mode is my favorite group, so that is all I meant.
Peace man....
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mubali
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 19:47
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Hey y'all.... As an avid trance fan it does sometimes bug me to see some live act that I have wanted to see for a long time standing there not even doing anything... DAT miming if you will.... but also as a producer that trys to perform live, I would much rather have a set that flows well and represents my music accurately. Remember that it takes some time to write this crazy stuff, and I honestly can't play 32nd notes on the fly and have them sound in time.... but just because I can't alway recreate every sound that in my music on the fly, doesn't make me any less of a musician... I would rather play the sounds that I can on the fly while my stuff is running. Many artists are perfectionist (myself included) and would rather make sure their performance is as close to perfect as possible.
I love good djs sets too. sometimes they can do better justice than a live set, but at the same time I have seen some really bad djs that were supposed to be a headliner.
While returning to the topic.... I beleive it is very very important to accurately inform people of what is going on at a show. If so 'n so is playing live, dj, or not at all I think that your attendants need to know AHEAD of time. Yes I know that it isn't cheap to throw these events and sometimes you feel that you need some big international artist just for the show to pay for itself, but sometimes personal integrity takes precedence over money...
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Maska
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 20:38
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Oh, yeah, the topic.........
I agree....There should be no misrepresentation of what is going to be. When I first started in this scene, I eagerly looked forward to a "LIVE" act over a DJ, until I saw and realized that most don't even attempt to do it, even though it is advertised that way. To me, forcing a promoter to rent equipment that you won't even use, or charging more for a "LIVE" set that is easier to play than your DJ set is pathetic and wrong......
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clown
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Posted : Jan 19, 2005 01:19
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On 2005-01-12 23:22, offthenutboom wrote:
Even with 2 cdj100s and three channel mixer (with EQ + Gain I hope) you can do pretty wicked things  Your only boundary is skill, knowledge and imagination. It is all about creativity.
BOM!
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You just became my new idol.. hehehe..
"seaming track endings together".. hehe.. that was a funny.. 
And you want people to pay you for these seams??
and how does this relat to the topic. .well, its just as "small" of a show as a fake live act.. your not reallly doing much, but you are still presenting music. Personally, i've learnt not to care about details like this anymore, because they don't seem to understand the reason for our complaints towards things like this.. "it doesn't matter, its all about the music" is the kind of response i would get when saying stuff like "gosh, i can't believe that dj mixed his track for only a 32 bar and still managed to trainwreack and miss his EQing".. So now i just say stuff like "cool track he just played"..
but in reality, the people pay for a show, and if the dj's aren't even doing anything..........
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