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Ellon
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 16:38
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After the Astral projection "incident", the term live-act is again on top of the cake. A great deal of artists simple dont perform live at all, others add some live juggling to their pre-recorded mixes and a minority is doing it more or less live...Where should the line be drawn? What should be consider a live-act? Playing synths on top of the laptop? Maybe the promotors should create a middle term:). I reckon the word Live-act is more flashy than dj set, but some truth should rise. I still consider live the act that at least is mixing/choosing the lines he or she are going to play at that momment..at least the choice is live:).
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 16:49
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u have the easy way offcourse , like play keyboard or guitar or any instrument , thats live
with electronic music tho its not a must and there are other ways to apply changes on tracks , like mixing seperate loops from all tracks into one big story , use alot of effects , have control over each channel , play your main synth line with midi to synth and cancel the automation and use ur hands.. so u can realy be creative and not just wait till the playback is over while u jump and smile  www.sattelbattle.com
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TAS
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 18:00
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You can NEVER play this kinda music live as "rock bands" etc... First of all... they are 1 person on each instrument in that genre.
In "psy" thereīs usually 1-2 guys that has made the music. And you have a kick, bass, hi-hats, snares, synths, "soundsamples" and the list can go on forever. I use about 50 different sounds/instruments in most of my tracks... how shall I be able to do all this by myself? And thereīs effects on the sounds, the frequences, pitches etc that I have pre-recorded already so it shall change exactly where I want it to... and this is just for 1 track... If you gonna play "live" you play more then 1 track... and to memorize every sound etc is impossible... My brain canīt do that and I would like to see/hear that person who manage to do all this things "live" without any help of "machines" doing the most of the work...
Itīs impossible to play it 100% live... no chance in hell...
Elad;
IMO, the tracks was made in the way I wanted it to sound from the beginning... if I wanted to change it, I would have done that when I was creating it from the beginning... donīt like to "mess up the track" by adding shit that isnīt supposed to be there just to acting as I played the music "live"...
But I dont play at parties anymore, itīs not my cup of tea, so I really donīt care... but to call it "Live Act" is just plain BS... 
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Allegoric - Psynce
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@ TAS : You are 90% rite
here's wat i think .
1. Psytrance is electronic genre.
2. 1st point allows us to use any electronic device which can make sound.
3. naw to talk about live . it's possible.
naw that we have liberty of electronic devices. here i bring my partner my laptop with a good configuration and arrange my musicians(kick,bass,leads,perc,fx,+++++) on different vst instruments with say 15 variated patterns which can be assigned thru vst instrument.which i'll play and trigger with a midi controller.
yea will ahve to do loads of homework just like any other human guitarist. 
naw just as in any other live act where different musicians come and play just like that i'll play with my different instruments but the difference will be that i'll be doing it alone.
we can get bonus......if i have practised very well just like a human guitarist or a drummer then i'll be good with handling my instruments and their patterns also. plus many things naw the bonus if i get time and if i've done my homework properly then i can do some fx processing according to mood of the party.... or we can put up this way that i can decide the story of my set then and there by choosing fx there.
i = any producer
i know it's very tough to handle it and i'm way far frm that point. but all i'm saying is that it's 100% possible.
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Elad
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 20:23
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You can NEVER play this kinda music live as "rock bands" etc... First of all... they are 1 person on each instrument in that genre.
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u can , check out o.o.o.d , sun project , illusions .... 4-6 peaple on stage fully live trance! and illusions btw makes only live no recordings just practice and show so evry time its diffrent !
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In "psy" thereīs usually 1-2 guys that has made the music. And you have a kick, bass, hi-hats, snares, synths, "soundsamples" and the list can go on forever. I use about 50 different sounds/instruments in most of my tracks... how shall I be able to do all this by myself? And thereīs effects on the sounds, the frequences, pitches etc that I have pre-recorded already so it shall change exactly where I want it to... and this is just for 1 track... If you gonna play "live" you play more then 1 track... and to memorize every sound etc is impossible... My brain canīt do that and I would like to see/hear that person who manage to do all this things "live" without any help of "machines" doing the most of the work...
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no one said u have to make a track from scratch , or to bang your finger for evry kick...
but i do want the person who make live have SOME control over the track and tracks order for the very list...
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Itīs impossible to play it 100% live... no chance in hell...
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no one ever asked for 100% , evrybody agree its impossible , not with cd'j and laptop for sure hehe , gimme full stage with 3 synths groovebox fx and all i promise u i will be more then happy to prepare MIDI live and tweak all presets on the fly
is it realy that hard work?? or is most peaple lazy to actualy use anything apart from made mastered track..
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Elad;
IMO, the tracks was made in the way I wanted it to sound from the beginning... if I wanted to change it, I would have done that when I was creating it from the beginning... donīt like to "mess up the track" by adding shit that isnīt supposed to be there just to acting as I played the music "live"...
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so here u actualy say there is no point in live act , sometimes its true , but then why call it LIVE ? its dj set , or producer set.
anywayz for sure i enjoyed some true live acts where its almost the track i know from cd , but diffrent , can even be something simple like change 2 presets of something...
i can only hope for evryone to enjoy real live as i did , knowing whats live exacly from being hooked on the cd.. and get the same track in new refreshed version... thats why i make the live mostly out of loops of my realeses and some unrleased tracks as they are for the times i wanna jump smile and dring a beer.
anyways , how live it gets depend on your equipment and imagination as well , and even laptop give great opurtunity to make it alone with not much..
as far it realy goes for me im now working on live where i split all my tracks to loops , slightly adjusted the bpm and keys so i can mix it all freely , and i will add some solo's on midi guitar.. thats more then 99% of live acts even if they come 2 peaple and i make all alone .
i know the easy way , and i know i can fake it as easy as others , but it will just feel pritty dumb
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 20:45
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I saw Triac making quite an impressive Live gig. The excuses are just that, excuses.
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Ellon
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 21:05
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Elad;
IMO, the tracks was made in the way I wanted it to sound from the beginning... if I wanted to change it, I would have done that when I was creating it from the beginning... donīt like to "mess up the track" by adding shit that isnīt supposed to be there just to acting as I played the music "live"...
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so here u actualy say there is no point in live act , sometimes its true , but then why call it LIVE ? its dj set , or producer set.
anywayz for sure i enjoyed some true live acts where its almost the track i know from cd , but diffrent , can even be something simple like change 2 presets of something...
i can only hope for evryone to enjoy real live as i did , knowing whats live exacly from being hooked on the cd.. and get the same track in new refreshed version... thats why i make the live mostly out of loops of my realeses and some unrleased tracks as they are for the times i wanna jump smile and dring a beer.
anyways , how live it gets depend on your equipment and imagination as well , and even laptop give great opurtunity to make it alone with not much..
as far it realy goes for me im now working on live where i split all my tracks to loops , slightly adjusted the bpm and keys so i can mix it all freely , and i will add some solo's on midi guitar.. thats more then 99% of live acts even if they come 2 peaple and i make all alone .
i know the easy way , and i know i can fake it as easy as others , but it will just feel pritty dumb
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Cannot wait to see you live!!!!
When i go to see an artist play a "Live-Set" i dont expect to see him create from scratch an entire set but to have at least control of his doings and be able to give something unique at the moment, according to the moment!!! Its really something when you take a track, released, and twist it live to create something new but recognizable to the audience...
Also, i have to agree that a lot of acts nowadays seem lazy in their performances - creating a formula-set and playing it across the world - that sucks a lot!!!
One of the main things that made me drop down my guitar/band for trance was the concept of "live-act" where each performance is unique, according to the mood of the artist and the crowd. My first parties left me with a feeling of amazement, of seing something unique.
My production skills are still very lame but if one day ill produce something worthy i will always try to reproduce it live...For me this is one of the key things of psy-trance, i dont get it in any other way.
If youre not going to produce something in the moment just call it "producer set" (nice one Elad) i will still attend it and dance it and value it...
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TAS
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 21:12
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@@ Allegoric - Psynce & Elad
Ok... I think I understand both of your views and I agree in some points...
But live for me is when every sound is NOT pre-recorded... if it is... then itīs "playback"... and thatīs something completely else... althou many ppl even consider this as "live" just because the person is there in real life...
So my point I wanted to get out with my msg is that you canīt do all things without having anything in "playback" or what I shall say... and therefore it is not 100% live IMO.
But we all have different points of view and I wont "argue" with you about something I donīt have much experience about or can contribute with...
...but I tried to use my brain some more and thought the name "Live Act" is a pretty god name anyway, cause ppl are "acting to play live"
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 21:16
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I think that's it's exciting to see a real live like Ozric Tentacles for example but honestly when i am in a trance party i really don't care because all i want to do is have fun and be in that halucingoenic world of colours and feelings. Honestly now what i care about is the music that is coming out of the speakers! Fuck all this show bussiness i want to hear some good music and enjoy it's quality and feeling then if it's live it's less perfect but maybe for some people more fun to do then do it! we love both ways as long as the music is great!
Boom :)
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 21:19
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TAS
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 21:28
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On 2007-10-12 21:19, Fragletrollet wrote:
personally I never really figured out why people are so hyped up for liveacts. People choose parties out of the artists playing there, so why is the livepart so important? As long as the artist is a good performer, it doesnt mind me whatever way the artist chooses to present his work; as long as it flows with the crowd in his/her way...
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Iīm just bored and like to exchange thoughs with other ppl... makes the time pass by and you can always learn something
And I think you are right as long as were not talking about money... I heard Astrix got 40 000 SEK (1euro=9,5SEK) to put in an pre-recorded cd and just stand there with his father and did nothing... So I think the line should be drawn somewhere... and think thatīs why this discussion started from the beginning with the AP thread and continues here...
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Ellon
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 21:40
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On 2007-10-12 21:28, TAS wrote:
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On 2007-10-12 21:19, Fragletrollet wrote:
personally I never really figured out why people are so hyped up for liveacts. People choose parties out of the artists playing there, so why is the livepart so important? As long as the artist is a good performer, it doesnt mind me whatever way the artist chooses to present his work; as long as it flows with the crowd in his/her way...
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Iīm just bored and like to exchange thoughs with other ppl... makes the time pass by and you can always learn something
And I think you are right as long as were not talking about money... I heard Astrix got 40 000 SEK (1euro=9,5SEK) to put in an pre-recorded cd and just stand there with his father and did nothing... So I think the line should be drawn somewhere... and think thatīs why this discussion started from the beginning with the AP thread and continues here...
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Magox
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 22:09
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I consider it Live when the artist waves his hands in the air, like he just don't care. Now that's Live!!
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Allegoric - Psynce
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 22:25
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On 2007-10-12 22:09, Magox wrote:
I consider it Live when the artist waves his hands in the air, like he just don't care. Now that's Live!!
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Aida Noridania
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Posted : Oct 12, 2007 22:29
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lol
for me live depends
if it is 1 person that is working over his laptop working with controllers over a pre made set, it is live you can't play everything of a psytrance track live when you are alone.
i for example do some rearrangements do some preset mixes but on the spot i still work over it let it be through mixing console equalizing and on the comp equalizing of a certain trackpart... (to take a simple example)
so when performing alone you can never play 100% live as how the word stands for... however i know that and when a guy plays live (don't mean hands in the air) you are busy
yes sometimes i also have that little time to wave or watch the people but in a set of 3 hours this is only in total a good 20 minutes
just because having contact with the crowd whilest playing is a necessity
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