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Keno Diktuo/ The reasons that we canceled our event in 20jan.

macdeath
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jan 26, 2007 00:23
I have to rearrange the things I wrote earlier:


"Opou de piptei logos peytei molotof"

Its not a propriate way of ideas expression but someguys have to see "fire" to understand that something is going wrong...

The guys who try to give their ideas through literature or with similar ways, are hidden by the system.

DETOX
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Posted : Jan 26, 2007 03:00
Macdeath replacing the word ravdos with molotov doesnt make any difference.Actually its even worst than before.

Also i think you didnt understood my previous post.

You said that some people have to understand that something is going wrong and that some other people have to wake up the rest by doing acts of terror because the rest of the "sleeping people" are not hearing them.

What exactly is wrong and who is responsible about it?

What if the "sleeping people" are just fine with what the "awake people" consider as wrong?I mean what is good for someone might be bad for someone else no?Some people prefer socialism from communism and some others are christians instead of muslims,who are we to judge them good or bad?

What do the people throwing molotov think is right?I mean according to anarchism the voting system should be abolished but is this possible or even further is this wanted by the majority of our country?I mean if 9 million people want to have a voting system and the rest 1 million people are anarchists and dont want the voting system this gives the right to the anarchists to bomb the country in order to change the will of the rest of the people?Sorry but this is fascism if you ask me,if the big majority of people want a voting system then either you like it or not then you got to respect their opinion,and we are talking about the voting system after all which is a democratic process not about monarchy for example that is something really extreme and people would have a million reasons to not want it.

The Anarchists dont want the existence of police in our country because of a million reasons according to their believes,sorry but i want the existence of police in my country because i want to know that i can call someone when a thief is trying to enter my house,i mean with no police who am i going to call ghostbusters?Ofcourse it is said that people can live in harmony and no police is needed because social consiousness will be raised and global peace and equality and bla bla bla sorry but this is an utopia theory that exists just in the books just like the balance of payments in economics for those familiar with the terms,i mean they teach you in school,college,university or wherever that there can be a balance of payments between a country (its not too complicated but it has to do with money that a country earns and spends based on imports and exports and other financial transactions just to get an idea which ideally should be 0 in the end like we import 10 oranges and we export 10 apples both at the same price so everything is ok,something like that to get an idea) but when you ask your professor in which country there is a balance of payment he simply answers you none forever and ever simply because economics work different in practice than theory,same with anarchism its a great political theory with some great concepts but in my humble opinion will never ever be applied to any part of this planet.

I said it before and i will say it again,everyone has the right to speak of his ideas and at the same time has the obligation to respect of the ideas of the rest people so far so good BUT when someone is trying to shout louder his ideas by throwing molotovs and destroying the city just because the majority of the people in a country dont care,dont want to listen or do not aggree with these ideas then this is a very selfish action (not to mention that it is terrorism ofcourse which is the worst thing on the planet if you ask me) and is also against the ideals of anarchism that although it supports some sort of soft lets say violence it is tottally against terrorism which is what is happening in our city around the streets of Politexnio and the center of Athens.

          Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
JunioR1


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Posted : Jan 26, 2007 11:07
Detox wrote:

"The university asylum was created to protect the freedom of thought and NOT the freedom of action."
I totaly agree with that statement.

All those that molotov our city are not anarchists This is not anarchism that's terrorism... Few that control the rest, are payed and the rest just like to create havoc.... And ask them what they are fighting for... Let's make a gallop next time we find them.... Whatever....
macdeath
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Posted : Jan 26, 2007 21:36
I also want the police and I don't believe that anarchy would ever ber possible to "exist" in Greece. Anarchy is an utopic situation. I agree that the "gnwstoi-agnwstoi" act with a wrong way, wich is facism alike, but the cops are in the facism field in a more straight way.

For example, unfortunately I work mainly at various places in the center of Athens. Whenever a demonstration is in progress, my health goes to hell.

Because some cops, without any reason sometimes, throw "crying grenades" everywhere and anywhere and a lot of people breath this cancer shit...

I also want the police to protect me, but in a right way.
I refer only one fact:
Ms Burbulia is out of the prison because she lost some killos.
The guys (I don't want to say their names, but they are posted in postersin all over the Athens) who are doing "apergeia peinas as pethanoun.


PS: of course there is no missunderstanding from my side, my friend Detox. Its true that I didn't understood your post.
Mono mia epikodomhtikh syzhthsh m8, in wich all of us have to respect the opinions from the others (I don't refer to anyone in this forum).
Drunken Monk


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Posted : Jan 27, 2007 22:37
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On 2007-01-24 13:48, Void Network wrote:
As also for all this people that they believe that the rave parties have nothing to do with "politics" and it is just an escape for to leave the planet problems outside and forget them during a trip......sorry....but this trips we call them "escapism" and "mind burning"...and...Void Network was allways the opposite of this situation....For us from the first acid techno parties in 1990 until now the rave culture symbolises the collective and personal Ecstatic condition that is full of Consciousness and Awareness for all the problems of this Planet, rave culture appeared as an arising of the personal critical thinking and activism...Don't forget, worry, care for the others, feel responsible, arise! Don't escape!Fight for Equality and Freedom!...You have the right to Party in all day, in all your life! Our Dreams are much more Real than the "real" world!



I Agree.
macbeth.. of course psytrance its a way to act. Music is one of the most powerful ways to express your thoughts. And of course is not bad to listen to music and dance and eat acid and njoyin and relaxing.. But someone must not stay just to that.
Anyway... its kind of odd to discuss such things through a forum.

::cheers::           +-+talking with ali3ns around the universe+-+
mit [muzik industry tunez]
macdeath
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jan 28, 2007 01:56
Did I mentioned something 4 acid???

Fun is not only with acid 4 everyone...
Some people have also fun without acid...

Of course music is a way to express your thoughts, but the crowd that attends the events have not even a piece of political state...

donald


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Posted : Jan 28, 2007 21:49
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On 2007-01-26 03:00, DETOX wrote:




What exactly is wrong and who is responsible about it?








sorry man but you thing that everything is ok arround you????
we can put in our fun some questions??
for me we have to know what are we doing and why....
Void Network
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Posted : Jan 30, 2007 04:01
Void Network
(Theory,Outopia,Synesthesia,Ephemral Arts)
http://voidnetwork.blogspot.com

It was one of our favorite posts this one in isratrance site...We tried to explain simply why we decided to cancell one party and we ended up all together to speak if anarchy, equality and freedom will ever happen on this planet...This is great!....For sure the ravers will find the way to express their opinion...Cause as you can see...we are puting all together the questions and we are searching all together in the vast open horizon the solutions...We are free from ideology...Free from the manipulation of our mind...Even free from our own opinions...
But we have to be sure that there are a lot of solutions...Capitalism is a barbaric system made by fears...Humanity will go much further beyond capitalism...And our visions are just small seeds of this change...
See you all soon....inside or outside of the asylum....
donald


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Posts :  312
Posted : Jan 30, 2007 23:51
Quote:

On 2007-01-30 04:01, Void Network wrote:
Void Network
(Theory,Outopia,Synesthesia,Ephemral Arts)
http://voidnetwork.blogspot.com

It was one of our favorite posts this one in isratrance site...We tried to explain simply why we decided to cancell one party and we ended up all together to speak if anarchy, equality and freedom will ever happen on this planet...This is great!....For sure the ravers will find the way to express their opinion...Cause as you can see...we are puting all together the questions and we are searching all together in the vast open horizon the solutions...We are free from ideology...Free from the manipulation of our mind...Even free from our own opinions...
But we have to be sure that there are a lot of solutions...Capitalism is a barbaric system made by fears...Humanity will go much further beyond capitalism...And our visions are just small seeds of this change...
See you all soon....inside or outside of the asylum....



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