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Keno Diktuo/ The reasons that we canceled our event in 20jan.

Drunken Monk


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Posted : Jan 21, 2007 22:53
this is the situation they want to create. Hounta.           +-+talking with ali3ns around the universe+-+
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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 22, 2007 02:46
Dear Void Network thanks for answering and i tottally aggree with you that this is a very big discussion that is not easy to be done on an internet forum like this one here,i mostly learned what i wanted to learn though.

You very correctly said that universities are a public space,you also said though that everybody has the right to use this public space to expess his ideas,music,arts,political theory or whatever,my opinion on this matter is that EVERY STUDENT of that university has the right to use this public space to express all of the above,i mean just because a university is a public space this doesnt mean that everyone can go there and do whatever he likes.

Concerning the asylum this was created to serve educational purposes and free express of ideas mostly (with extents ofcourse to political,artistic and other areas) and not to offer asylum to whoever cannot find an asylum outside the doors of the university.I mean the 200 guys that destroyed Athens last weekend cannot find an asylum outside the doors of a university and i seriously doubt that they should be allowed to exploit the university asylum in order to attack the police and destroy the properties of innocent people who had the bad idea of purchasing an expensive car or own a store close to the university area.The asylum the way i see it is not for everyone and everything,to much democracy can easily lead to chaos in our modern society which i am preety sure you dont aggree with me but ok its my opinion and i am not afraid to share it with you.The asylum belongs to the university students and only and should mostly serve educational and research purposes.

Pan Metron Ariston like our wise ancestors used to say.

By the way who is "normal" and who is "not normal" is a very very big discussion so lets skip this part.

From what i understood so far typically speaking you need a permision from the pritanis in order to organise whatever inside the university area so this means that typically the television channels that spoke about the absense of a permission for your event were also typically correct.Although you might not like the idea of having to ask a permission from the pritanis for your events i think that in this situation and especially in this dangerous times that we are living it would be wise to play their game and ask for a permission which i doubt they will deny you anyway since you have already proved who you are and what you do and if you are able to protect and respect the university area.Sometimes a step back means two steps forward and i think that this is the case here.It is extremely difficult to destroy the system but sometimes you can beat it in its own game and field,think about it i think you can gain a lot from changing your attitude towards the permission situation and could even save yourself from some probable troubles that could come up in the future like the propaganda that you received in this cancelled event.

Last but not least concerning the street parade,this is a great idea and could bring a big change in our city in many aspects BUT such a move must be extra careful and well designed and planned cause the results could be a real disaster if something goes wrong.Like we say in the business sector (sorry but i am a capitalist like you already know i guess) "you can organise the best plan possible but you can never guarantee its results".With a lot of effort and planning this could be a great move for the people of Athens so take your time and try to collaborate with as many people as possible for this huge project,even with people that are not part of the universities or do not share the same ideas with Void Network but are willing to help in such a task for their own reasons.

Have fun and hope to speak soon outside the internet world.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
CRX(HSS Records)
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jan 22, 2007 13:19
sorry to hear that!
lets wait untill the bad vibes of the last days with all those specialists and reporters speaking fade and lets all hope for better days to come.
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JunioR1


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Posted : Jan 22, 2007 14:09
I totally agree with Detox and Void Network...
The planning of a parade has to be xtra carefull cause you know that they will sent their "Known-unknowns" (gnwstous-agnwstous...) to bring chaos to our parade... And it is something proven not easy to control...
macdeath
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Posted : Jan 22, 2007 16:43
Ok so at least we talk about a serious topic in here...

Personally I agree with both sides, but partially...

I like a lot the open air events @ places like the university, but the vents who have a "psychedelic" vibe nad nothing else beyond this. Political states are not a part of "rave culture".

Good or bad as I know a trance party has as main aspect, to give some moments of fun and comunication to the attending crowd, WITHOUT any political messages that are transimited in a straight or "subconsious" way...

So instead that I am very angry with my country by these days (eductional goes to hell, they want to full the place with cameras in order to protect a dozen of people AND NOT the most of us) but when I go to an event I want to forget these terifull things for a couple of hours nad to have fun. so simple... I went only to one Keno Diktyo event, and I felt horrible. The place was really cool, the music was at a good level (except th P.A. system) but the crowd was "oti na nai". I saw a terible fight by two guys (kagkoures alike) and this made me more dissapointed...

In Berlin the Love Parade is a colourfull and happy event with many attendants.
A simillar thing, in the today Greece it is maybe not the best idea.

It would be very nice to express our love about the music live but in a peace way (as the "rave" culture demands), but in the war vibe that Greece is at the last months, I don't think that we will avoid the common "ektrwpa".

Thank God that some kids are still "awake" and resist to the system, but there are also some "anegkefaloi" who ruin a car just because is expensive... That's not so good. But none (specially the media) ever mentioned that they don't brake down anything they face. At the forum that happened befoure some months, where a lot of people from other countries joined, in the ermou str. ONLY some shops were vandalised.
Shops like: macdonalds, united colours of benneton, Levis etc.
Expensive greek shoe shops, were just fine...
Also none ever mentioned that the f8888ck***g cops throw VERY VERY harmfull gases to the "gnwsous agnwstous", but when lots of people (including old people) breath this shit, its a murder or not????
Gopendragon
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Posted : Jan 22, 2007 23:09
Quote:

On 2007-01-20 19:11, Shamanix wrote:
<quote> We prepare also a rave on
street parade in the streets of Athens in the next 2-3 weeks for to express openly in the streets of Athens our Freedom to Exist....</quote>


we are not berlin sorry...

do you really think that the town is ready for something like that ? i mean police are trying to bust a move even at the campus even with asylum and shit... what do you think would happen if they meet us at open ground ? I dont like to be pesimistic but some things are hard to change...


hey this thing is already happened once in the center of athens,it was 2002 and hercules, with spyros dasa love obsever,kostas k,and other djs organised a free trance party in front of the gate of panepistimio ,hehe I remeber trancers dancing under trance and normal citizens who was walking on the street of the town on the square, looking us surprised
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Void Network
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 13:48
[guote]hey this thing is already happened once in the center of athens,it was 2002 and hercules, with spyros dasa love obsever,kostas k,and other djs organised a free trance party in front of the gate of panepistimio ,hehe I remeber trancers dancing under trance and normal citizens who was walking on the street of the town on the square, looking us [/quote]

This event that is mentioned here by the friend is "Global Day for the Liberation of Consiousness No1" that is organised some days before the war in Avganistan (after Genova and just after the 9/11)
by Void Network with the music participation of Dasa Love Collective,Natural High and Funxion as also other artists...
Void Network planning a new event like that: "Global day for the Liberation of Consciousness No2" with a Saturday all day long ambient atmospheres sound-system in Propulaia and a nighttime psychedelic trance street parade in the center of the city...We have the right to demonstrate like all the people...Nobody "will send" the "gnosti-agnosti" for to destroy "our party"...The "gnosti-agnosti" are people like us that they fight for the same causes (Liberty and Equality) with a different way from ours...And this street parade if we prepare it good and if will participate some thousands of people nobody will make problems because everybody will respect our cause...As also for all this people that they believe that the rave parties have nothing to do with "politics" and it is just an escape for to leave the planet problems outside and forget them during a trip......sorry....but this trips we call them "escapism" and "mind burning"...and...Void Network was allways the opposite of this situation....For us from the first acid techno parties in 1990 until now the rave culture symbolises the collective and personal Ecstatic condition that is full of Consciousness and Awareness for all the problems of this Planet, rave culture appeared as an arising of the personal critical thinking and activism...Don't forget, worry, care for the others, feel responsible, arise! Don't escape!Fight for Equality and Freedom!...You have the right to Party in all day, in all your life! Our Dreams are much more Real than the "real" world!

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JunioR1


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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 15:42
Quote:

On 2007-01-24 13:48, Void Network wrote:
Nobody "will send" the "gnosti-agnosti" for to destroy "our party"...The "gnosti-agnosti" are people like us that they fight for the same causes (Liberty and Equality) with a different way from ours...



Ok I agree with your general point but even if I get a bit out of topic I'd like to express my opinion....
You believe that the gnosti agnosti are people who fight for something? What aare their purposes and what are they fighting for? I'm an anarchic and I can tell you that anarchy has nothing to do with all those who the media have named anarchists... They are send into parades like ours by governments so that they (the governments) have a good excuse to be against anybody that chooses this peacefull way to express their anger... Ofcourse it isn't only about tripping... Psychedelic is a way of life. Trancer is not someone who just listen to our music. Trancers live by the moto "Peace, Love, Unity and Respect..." but unfortunately that's fading out also.... Hope everything will go well with the parade and that we'll make it to send a message to those who want us disappear cause we don't fit in the world they want us to.
Thomi


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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 15:53
yeep i think we r ready to "dance"!!
the time haz come..and freedom,equality,peace and respect for this planet r the only things left worth fight for..
          Have u ever dreamed of a vacation in the bottom of the ocean...?;?;?
macdeath
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 21:00
OK...Void NEtwork

If you read more carefully my thread you will understand that I don't forget the problems that ruin our lifes...

I could fight them more (yes I admit it, and I am not happy about my state) but you can't call me mind burning my love for dancing WITH THE INFLUENCE OF SOME GOOD TUNES!!! So if you want to "fight" do it, but I don't think that psy-trance events is a way...

After all most of the people I saw at one of your events that I attended were absolutely non-political minded. Of course, maybe, I went to the excpeptional event and in other events, you have people who talk about Karl Marx alongside with dancing with the sounds of Seroxat, Fungus Funk, Para halu etc...

so in conclusion, I admire a lot the people who refuse and restist (someone has told that again I think...) but I don't want to see the scene (if it still exists) tio get more embarassed by the media and from our society. Also, I believe that in a country that the speech and the writen words have absolutely no power, the vandalism is maybe a way to change some things. Is like fighting fire with fire, but under various circumstances this thing works...

So, I think that the "Mayro Block" guys are doing the right thing (in their own way).

PS: I don't think that the first big raves @ Hacienda, Tresor and other outdoors @ Israel had a "political" vibe...As one friend said above: Love Peace Unity and Respect

Anyway good luck with your decissions

AND sorry for anyt mistakes I make in the English language
DETOX
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Posted : Jan 24, 2007 22:30
Quote:

On 2007-01-24 13:48, Void Network wrote:
We have the right to demonstrate like all the people...Nobody "will send" the "gnosti-agnosti" for to destroy "our party"...The "gnosti-agnosti" are people like us that they fight for the same causes (Liberty and Equality) with a different way from ours



Demonstrating is one thing and destroying the city and the properties of innocent people is another no matter what the reasons behind it.

Anyway its a big issue and i wouldnt like to talk about it in public on an internet forum because after all i drive a Mercedes and got no right to speak about "anarchism" because who knows i might receive a bomb or something from the ones fighting for "liberty" and "equality"....

I suggest to everyone though in this place to read some Bakunin and Malatesta and figure out on his own whether these gnostoi-agnostoi fit in the anarchism collective and if their methods are approved or not by the real anarchists.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
other_reality
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Posted : Jan 25, 2007 19:34
The stupidity of TV ...anarchists, leftists, cops and hooligans.

We've made a big bowl, put everything inside and made a mix that tastes so good, that makes us forget about the truth behind all of this.

TV is not stupid. It is everything but that. They know exactly what they are doing, and they do this as accurately as they can.

The "anarchists" that mix with the protests and other activities, are not exactly idealists, at least not all of them, but some hired machos from the mountains, who enjoy a nice payroll and do some high ranked guys a nice service. (Just a thought)

Just keep your eyes open, leave the elitism aside, and concentrate on what's important. My thoughts are that people need to participate and be influenced by a massive-revolutionary anti-lie (or pro-truth) collective. I feel sad that up to now, all I can see is a handful of people with some ideas, and thousands who just want to party and drug themselves. And this is not strange. The messages have to be clear, pristine and accurate. If freedom of thought and behaviour was an atom bomb, we need an Einstein to design it. Hand grenades wont work, neither unclear concepts that fade with personal needs, and complexions.

I intentionally wrote the above stuff in an awkward way, not wanting to insult or critisize anyone. I just shared my thoughts, and hope that some agree. I'd love to see a big protest, a big party in Athens. But i would like it to be pure. And, if everything goes well in the future, I'm sure that this place will gather all the energy it can take, to give a strong,vibrant message to the whole world.

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DETOX
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Posted : Jan 25, 2007 20:07
Quote:

On 2007-01-25 19:34, other_reality wrote:
The "anarchists" that mix with the protests and other activities, are not exactly idealists, at least not all of them, but some hired machos from the mountains, who enjoy a nice payroll and do some high ranked guys a nice service. (Just a thought)



Yeah like that 15 years old kid who was throwing stones and molotov bombs at the cops before a month or so or like that Panathinaikos fan who was arrested this weekend at the volleyball game against Olympiakos because he got caught with a full armory including molotov bombs and was later recognised based on some videos as one of the people who created the problems this week in Politexnio.I guess all these people are being payed by the police to create problems and serve some high ranking officers right?I got more and much more important examples to mention but then this forum will be transformed into a war zone and after all politics are not allowed in this place so lets stop it here.

I will conclude with something that i read today in a newspaper and tottally reflects my thoughts and beliefs.

"The university asylum was created to protect the freedom of thought and NOT the freedom of action.The asylum was created by the state itself when the state recognised the need of protection of the freedom of thought on matters such as religion and politics which in other times and years could be used to accuse someone of being a blasphemer or someone who wanted to hurt the government and this could lead to his imprisonment,exile or even execution.In a university someone can come up with a theory that Jesus never existed or that he is a puzzle or something BUT he cant pass from the theory to action and decide to smash the statue of Jesus into pieces because then he can be prosecuted according to the laws of the state as a blasphemer.This is the difference between the asylum of thought and the asylum of action,now if someone wants to think of universities as some kind of small independent countries like Andora or San Marino then he really has missed the whole point of the university asylum".           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
macdeath
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Posted : Jan 25, 2007 21:56
I think that the boy was 13 years old...
I don't know why some people don't like the entertaiment, without any political aspects...

I think that some of the Void Network will agree, that even the people who go to Vandi (cool artist heh?) have the right to put their problems in one side and enjoy the music (aisxos) they want.

But I have the opinion that if the Void Network will organise a parade, the crowd will be (the most of them) without any sense of political activity (or without any other sense).
Sorry a lot if I am rude or wrong.

Detox posted above some very nice words. ..
But despite of these words, I would like to write something that reflects my opinion:

"Wherever the speech doesn't have any effects, then the hardcore action has to take place (se eleytheri metafrash)
Opou de isxyei o logos piptei rabdos!!!
DETOX
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Posted : Jan 25, 2007 23:33
Quote:

On 2007-01-25 21:56, macdeath wrote:
"Wherever the speech doesn't have any effects, then the hardcore action has to take place (se eleytheri metafrash)
Opou de isxyei o logos piptei rabdos!!!



So i guess that the 200 people that claim that there should be a government and a voting system in this country will have to beat the 10 anarchists that dont aggree with this and not willing to understand it by words?I mean 200 are more people than 10 right?

Thankfully my friend Macdeath not only majority is not always right but your statement opou den piptei logos piptei ravdos mostly applies to little kids that their parents have the right to spank them when really needed when they dont understand that they have to read their homework rather play all the time.

Everybody has the right to be heard,democrats,communists,anarchists,capitalists,fascists,socialists,christians,muslims,atheists whoever and the people of each country have also the right to vote and choose their form of government or no government at all if they wish.

Whether the people know what they are voting is another story because unfortunately our society today knows very little about politics and its various forms BUT just like the current government in our country which is supported by the majority has the obligation to hear and respect the opinions and positions of different parties vice versa (both ways) these different parties no matter how small have the right not only to express themselves but also the obligation to respect the current government which is the desire of the majority,after all we dont live in Nazi Germany or in Pinochet's Chile or in the coup d'etat of 1967 where things were extreme for everyone that had a different opinion about the government,we live in a more or less democratic country where everyone has the right and opportunity to express his ideas freely as long as he doesnt cover his head with a fullface mask and throw molotov bombs around the city because thats terrorism and not politics,i mean with all the respect who told these 500,1000,2000 or i dont know how many people that create problems all around the city in the past years that we support their thesis and statements?I mean the majority of this country doesnt approve their ideas and methods,cant they just live with that?           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
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