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Keno Diktuo/ The reasons that we canceled our event in 20jan.

Void Network
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Posted : Jan 20, 2007 18:42
Keno Diktuo
Void Network(Theory,Outopia,Synesthesia,Ephemeral Arts)
http://voidnetwork.blogspot.com

Dear Friends
the stupidity of the television this last days is making as realy angry for all those things that they say about the university asylum, the private universities and our parties in the university campus (and everywhere else)...One of all the stupid things that they said is also that our party will not happen cause we don't have "permission" from the president of the Polutechnic School.
Void Network established in 1990 as a cultural collective of students from the school of Architecture (Polytechnic), the school of Arts (Kalon Texnon)and the school of Anthropology (Panteios).As a student's collective Void Network has the right to organize cultural and political situations in the universities.After 1997 none of our events had any permission cause we don't ask for it.We take the responsibility of our actions, the responsibility for the safety and the beautifull atmosphere among the people, we clean and we protect the area of the event, we offer all our activity without any private money income and we don't ask any permission in order to be Free.
Unfortunately we have to cancel this special event cause we don't want the media and the police brutality to play games with all this thousands of people that they will come in this event...We believe that this special conditions of the last days produce very dangerous conditions as the police is ready to express all its brutality to all the people and the media to express their propaganda and their stupidity in our name...So, we don't fall in their trap...We play when we like it...not when they set up a trap for us....Very soon we will make parties in the university and we will be sure that we will not have any troubles
We prepare also a rave on
street parade in the streets of Athens in the next 2-3 weeks for to express openly in the streets of Athens our Freedom to Exist....Are you gonna come? Are you gonna take part ? Are you ready to dance in the streets of your city?....We will meet very soon...................................
Thank you very much,
People from Void Network

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Shamanix


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Posted : Jan 20, 2007 19:11
<quote> We prepare also a rave on
street parade in the streets of Athens in the next 2-3 weeks for to express openly in the streets of Athens our Freedom to Exist....</quote>


we are not berlin sorry...

do you really think that the town is ready for something like that ? i mean police are trying to bust a move even at the campus even with asylum and shit... what do you think would happen if they meet us at open ground ? I dont like to be pesimistic but some things are hard to change...
d1m1tr1
Dark Elf

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Posted : Jan 20, 2007 19:18
yeah but if u dont try u will never change things... especially if u dont protest...

this move is risky, but would be a good start.

I'm IN           http://darkelf.gr
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trunksan


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Posted : Jan 20, 2007 19:41
I'm coming even if we 3 and the Cuckoo bird!!!

3 kai o koukos!
DETOX
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Posted : Jan 20, 2007 20:21
Very sad that this event got cancelled but every coin has two sides in my humble opinion and i would like to share my thoughts with you.

Yes indeed television and not only is acting as stupid as possible in the last weeks concerning the educational system and the asylum in universities but this situation takes place for years in Greece where the reporters ands news anchormen are saying what their bosses tell them to say and what they think will sell to people and bring them bigger number in the AGB machines.Its like when a robbery takes place and somehow the reporters that dont have a clue about what happened always mention the famous quote "the robber didnt seem to speak the greek language correctly" directly implying ofcourse that the guy was an Albanian or a Romanian or whatever.

So this is the situation in our country and we know it BUT i got couple of questions and couple of statements that i would like to make.

Void Network already said that they dont ask for permission for organising their events,because i am not a university student (not a public greek one at least) i dont know how the greek universities operate in this section of cultural events so i would like to ask Void Network if according to the rules of the university a permission is needed by the headmaster or pritanis or whoever for organising any kind of event inside the university area.If a permission is not needed then i suggest to send a nice letter and protest to the channel that said this bullshit in public,if a permission is needed though then i would like to ask you why dont you ask for permission from the pritanis?You think he will refuse you a permission and if yes why is that?Since we all know how Void Network operates and that their events are secure and they even clean the place after their parties end then i cant see a reason why the pritanis would refuse you a permission,any ideas from your side?I mean if you need a permission why dont you try to get one and avoid all these stupidities from the television people?

Very correctly Void Network decided to cancel this event as they feel that it could create negative effects and problems to them,the people,the university and many other people and ideas including the asylum of the universities in our country to which i am mostly against the way it exists and treated in our days but this is another discussion tottally irrelevant with our topic here.My objection though is that Void Network and the students community in the universities didnt protect the area of the universities all around our city properly in ways i am going to explain to you.From last summer till the weather was good up to October if i remember correctly there was a party taking place almost on a weekend basis in various universities all around our city,thats not bad some people might say and i mostly aggree with them BUT when some of these events were organised by people that had absolutely no connection with the universities and just did these events in order to have fun and promote themselves just by using their friends who are part of some political parties inside the universities or even BRIBING YES BRIBING the guards of the universities to open the doors for them and even help them find electricity and other things then something not healthy at all is taking place here which is bad for everyone and mostly for the image of the universities in our city.I would like then to see Void Network or other cultural or political or whatever collectives to protect the area of the universities and try to stop these events and inform the people about whats going on,this never happened as far as i can remember (please correct me if i am wrong) and we ended up in a situation where people were announcing parties every week in universities like the universities of our city were Luv Club or Venue or Motel or whatever.

Some might say that Void Network didnt want or didnt feel that it was their business to intervene but i feel that they should do something about it because today they face problems with their events also because of this situation if you ask me.Plus if you ask me just like cultural collectives like Void Network (sorry for mentioning them all the time but i dont know any other names,i have nothing against them and i even have good relationship with couple people of them) have the right to organise whatever events they want into the universities they also have the obligation to protect the universities from any outsiders who take advantage of the universities area and the asylum they offer to satisfy their own needs and purposes.

This is all i wanted to share with you and i wish good luck to Void Network with their future plans and efforts.

P.S Without doubt the people are ready to dance around their city but i am not sure that the city itself and the people that run it are ready or willing to accept such a situation.The way i see it such a move could cause various serious problems and must be treated with extra care and precaution and speaking about such an event taking place or being announced in 2-3 weeks i think its not wise at all.Just my opinion ofcourse.           Toodaloo Motherfuckers!!!!!
psy-vibe
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Posted : Jan 20, 2007 20:21
after the large anti-war protest last year we were dancing outside "Vouli"(its the place were politicians and other criminals gather) and we went at Exarchia square having a small streed parade...i hope this time will be LARGE....see you there           For me there is only the traveling on the paths that have a heart, on any path that may have a heart. There I travel, and the only worthwhile challenge for me is to traverse its full length. And there I travel--looking, looking, breathlessly...
trunksan


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Posted : Jan 20, 2007 21:42
As much as I would have like the party to take place I agree that this was the right choice from the organisers.. It would give an excuse for the same shit to happen like at 30th of December... the media and the police are ready to destroy asylum...

If you've noticed the past years the TV was not so much against the anarchists. However, now they are tottaly against the asylum and the problems it causes...... I'm quite convinced that the government is putting a lot of pressure on TV channels to keep that stance, after all we know that all channel owners (Baridongiannis, Mpompolas, Idruma lamprakh.Kokkalis (radio and TV magic) etc) have close connections with the goverment and the rest of the parties (except the left, but who the fuck gives a shit about what Papariga and tha rich Bastard alavanos that pretends to be working class, think).

Or simply Nea Dimokratia has so much influence over the channes that they were able to have them keep a positive stance for the students when PASOK was in power and now that it's reversed they can have them take a negative stance.....

SO MUCH SHIT
TOO MUCH SHIT!
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trunksan


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Posted : Jan 20, 2007 21:44
Quote:

On 2007-01-20 20:21, psy-vibe wrote:
after the large anti-war protest last year we were dancing outside "Vouli"(its the place were politicians and other criminals gather) and we went at Exarchia square having a small streed parade...i hope this time will be LARGE....see you there




Wherw and when this year?
pantelhs

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Posted : Jan 20, 2007 23:59
So, that was? We lost the only and final ground where we could have a party or other social and cultural activities?
My opinion that the party had to take place tonight and to protect the asylo ourselves (not only the organisers but all the people) but i know this is difficult.
And about the rave party in the streets, look what is happening every year (the last years) in indyfree at Pedio tou Areos) where the gathering is 100 people and all the others in police stations for identification. So, what make you think that this event would not be like that and even worse?

We got to do something drastically all of us if we still want to make/have good parties and social contacts in general away from police, clubs, securities and exploitation from the organisers.
dreamowner


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Posted : Jan 21, 2007 00:46
i hadnt read it that the party canceled and i went there and some guys were in the entrance and they
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trunksan


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Posted : Jan 21, 2007 00:47
Standing up for what you believe and falling into a trap is a tottaly different thing.

This would have been a perfect opportunity for the police to cause some more havoc... even if there weren't any so-called-anarchists in the party I'm certain the police would have found an excuse (drugs?) to intervene in some way. The channels and politicians are dying to destroy the asylum.

I think the wisest step for both the students and the sugklitos would be to organise a huge musical event (well organised and well secured) and proove that us students are capable of protecting our own premises. There's no need for confrontation... 2 can play the game.

We call the channels and show that there are students that care (although the majority doesn't give a fuck and just goes to drink frappe and plan the next holiday while there's the katalipsi)
Void Network
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Posted : Jan 21, 2007 01:39
Void Network
(Theory,Outopia,Synesthesia,Ephemeral Arts)

Many people will wonder after the post of Detox about what is our opinion about the questions he puts to us...We have to know that is very difficult to make all this conversation here...For the permission we can say that we believe that the university is a public space and everybody has the right to use the public space to express ideas, music, arts, political theory, celebrations, demonstrations e.t.c. e.t.c.Especialy the asylum is created for to protect all this people that they can not find "asylum" in all other society that is outside the doors of this asylum...If you are "normal" you don't need asylum, if you believe what the television speaking you don't need asylum, if you are voting one of the parliament political parties you don't need asylum...if you like buzuki music you don't need asylum...The asylum protects all the people and the ideas and the dreams that they don't find place in the society ( of course also it protects the academic freedom of research).So...it is a very complicated story for everybody in the university in the past years and in the years will come how the academic society will protect this two parts of the asylum...Some periods they don't allow anyone to make anything...But this is not asylum...eee?? So when this happening some collectives decide to break this mistake.And they put all effort to organize assemblies, movie shows, parties or political gatherings...It depends in many many things if you expect a permission to allow you to exist. We don't expect anyone to give us a permission in order to be free...The Void Network believes that everybody has the right to make a situation in the university as long as he can protect and clean the area and there are not money payments for the "workers" and the "organizers"(cause asylum is not for business)...You have to come in contact with the president, to express your intention, to fix the details about the date, the hour, the place and to make clear why you want to do this thing and who you are and what is it this that you want to do...Is a great opportunity for companies of friends to fight against capitalistic companies cause is an opportunity for some friends together to make something realy nice...You can name your collective "The Pink Elephant" and start your cultural revolution now!!!...So...Void Network felt very nice when it started happening parties every week in the university...And it was nice, and became bigger and bigger and then started the troubles...Can we face the troubles? Can we find solutions? Can we protect our dream? Can we make the outopia appear? Are we stupid bullshit ravers or we are the best psychedelic revolution ever happened? All of us we have to find the way together...
As also for the street parade>>>We will make assemblies...All the collectives of the underground together...And we will prepare it good...and it has to be great...Otherwise we will not make it now...But we will make it...Maybe now, maybe in some months or in some years...But the wave is coming...And it will be huge...If we use our critical mind and we activate our dream...it will shine on...it will be one of the best moments of our life...
Drunken Monk


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Posted : Jan 21, 2007 12:04
Quote:

On 2007-01-20 19:18, d1m1tr1 wrote:
yeah but if u dont try u will never change things... especially if u dont protest...

this move is risky, but would be a good start.

I'm IN




Exactly.. if you dont risk you dont earn a damn thing. Stop be negative and afraid. Yes our country is astynomokratoumenh. But because we know that This is the situation doesnt mean that we have to accept and live with it. Raise your fuckin voice damn it. Stop being a sheep.
I Am in too.
...
This is not a place for such conversations but anyway.. All these things are happening cause N.D. is goverment. I am for sure dont saying that pasok is better. Just that ND wants it more. They want to create a pure controlled society (see what is happening with the cameras on streets for example). They want to recreate (or enlarge cause it never dissapeared) the taxikes diafores. They want to have a system where the rich will get richer and the poor, poorest. And is not something that they plan for the future.. it is something that has already started.
Be awaken.
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Void Network wrote...

If we use our critical mind and we activate our dream...it will shine on...it will be one of the best moments of our life...


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trunksan


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Posted : Jan 21, 2007 14:26
Quote:

On 2007-01-21 01:39, Void Network wrote:
As also for the street parade>>>We will make assemblies...All the collectives of the underground together...And we will prepare it good...and it has to be great...Otherwise we will not make it now...But we will make it...Maybe now, maybe in some months or in some years...But the wave is coming...And it will be huge...If we use our critical mind and we activate our dream...it will shine on...it will be one of the best moments of our life...



On a practical issue... I'm in it 100% even I have to do like the KNitakia do and surround the parade for protection. I even suggest working with the police for security.... it must be shown to everyoe that there is a movement, there are people that do the things they enjoy, we have nothing against the police or even the anarchists, but we are PRO peace PRO freedom PRO indviduality.

Maria Teresa used to say that she would only join a PRO peace rally not an ANTI- war rally.... think about it!

I've got connections with a lot of vouleutes through my father (PASOK though) and some legal consultants at the city of Athens, so we've got the means to get some permissions!
psy-vibe
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Posted : Jan 21, 2007 21:17
i have to say i am a bit confused. The subject of this conversation is a bit wide...
Regarding the asylum i think is too much harsh for no reason. What i mean is i donąt think that we have to be afraid that the asylum will stop to exist, and i believe that because the academic community will not allow it. Even the politicians after all that yelling the only thing they try to prove is that they are doing something good for the masses. But i am sure that they havenąt forget the revolution that happened at polytechnic not many years ago. I hope they havenąt...It will be the stupidest thing to do to destroy one of the last fortresses of freedom...
Detox is very right to ask about permission issues but Void network has the right attitude in the subject...Donąt need permissions for things that some ppl have already earned...and to earn some thing there are various ways...the diplomatic and the fighting way..both have cons and prons..we need to be peaceful and we need do be violent...but have some sence at both, too peaceful and they think we are weak..too violent and them answering with violence. Are this so called psychedelic movement in greece to take serious responsibilities? To start the revolution and earn freedoms for next generations.Make others see the bad things that happen around us?.Even if that is true i am still afraid because i havenąt seen responsibilities at the masses..the fire must start from within. Be the change we want to see...          For me there is only the traveling on the paths that have a heart, on any path that may have a heart. There I travel, and the only worthwhile challenge for me is to traverse its full length. And there I travel--looking, looking, breathlessly...
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