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Keep the volume at a constant...

Alone


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Posted : Nov 27, 2009 13:30:09
Hello, maybe you can help me.
im recording my set, and i have a problem...
i can see that when the 2 channels are open, the volume is higher than when one music is playing only...
so, in the file i can see ( and hear ) the volume increasing when i start mixing, and going back to "normal" when i finish mixing.
and this cause my mix not to be perfect...
what can i do ?
Colin OOOD
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Posted : Nov 27, 2009 17:44
1) Be more careful with your EQ (or start using EQ if you don't already use it).

2) Stop worrying about it, everyone's mixes are like that.
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Nov 27, 2009 17:52
use you eq, turn one down a bit (not full) before you raise the other.. Keep your eyes on the meters, make sure the gain is alright.
Alone


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Posted : Nov 27, 2009 19:11
really thanks guys...
Colin , its really nice to hear something like "stop worring about" bcuz i was already thinking that this is a little difficult to achieve, and that´s normal to have this "phenomenom" ..
but tell me dennis, when you say "turn one down a bit" you refer to the gain ? to low? mid? or high?

i always mix this way:

1 beatmatch it
2 match the volume
3 turn bass off(from the one that will raise)
4 raise it
5 slowly ( or rapdly) change the basses
6 decrease the first one slowly

well, that´s it, and i am feeling (maybe an useless worry) that there´s something between the 3 and the 4 step that i can do to avoid that inconstant volume...

thanks guys
supergroover
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Posted : Nov 28, 2009 00:42
also dont forget to eq the mids. Maybe not as drastical as the lows. But it is often best to also cut at least one a bit and sometimes the same goes for the highs. If that is done you should indeed not worry about it.
Dennis the menace
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Posted : Nov 28, 2009 19:54
low and mid
polly
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 21:25
Check out the levels all the time.
i was lucky when i started mixing i had omnitronic mixer wich had really good volume meters so it was really easy to check out from levels when your volume was rising.
Pioneers level meter sux's bad time, its peak meter wich shows peak not the live situation. u can live with it but its not that precise.

but anyhow mis is like dance between all knobs and faders

this is how i could do it in one case.

beats matched
channel 1 playing out
take mids and lows out from channell 2 and hit it up on first beat...
turn ch2 mids slowly to 0 and lower ch1 mids by 25 %
then slowly raise ch2 lows 50 % and lower ch1 lows 25 % then fix mids little bit and play with lows and then raise ch2 lows to 0 and lower ch 1 lows

all number even channel numbers are theoretical every mixer and every track is case of their own

like how the cut out curve is on mixer is really different between mixers.

example (just a feeling)
pioneer 600 / 800
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polly
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 21:26
what i was trying to say u can keep you mix on +/- 2 db easily with only little practise           http://www.myspace.com/polly_potb
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Pointless
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 21:58
db?
Becktrank
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Posted : Nov 30, 2009 22:02
i never let two lows open. I mean, when one is open the other is all closed. Never open one a bit to let it run with the other bass, most of the times I swap the basses (fast) at a drop.           ``We shall not cease from exploration - And the end of all our exploring - Will be to arrive where we started - And know the place for the first time.``

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polly
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Posted : Dec 1, 2009 12:15
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On 2009-11-30 21:58, Pointless wrote:
db?


sorry my bad.
dB = decibel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel

usually 0 dB is peak point where distortion starts like in mixers when you go to red you go over 0 dB

usually when recording dj mix u should keep levels at -4 dB to give little room for your mixes if -4 dB is not enuff you should practise more

and in mixer knobs u see -12dB -6dB 0dB +6dB +12 dB wich is how this know effects to that frequency range that its adjusting.
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Becktrank
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Posted : Dec 2, 2009 01:37
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On 2009-12-01 12:15, polly wrote:
Quote:

On 2009-11-30 21:58, Pointless wrote:
db?


sorry my bad.
dB = decibel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decibel

usually 0 dB is peak point where distortion starts like in mixers when you go to red you go over 0 dB

usually when recording dj mix u should keep levels at -4 dB to give little room for your mixes if -4 dB is not enuff you should practise more

and in mixer knobs u see -12dB -6dB 0dB +6dB +12 dB wich is how this know effects to that frequency range that its adjusting.





hey mate, my i ask you a tought

i m thinkin in record a dj set, never recorded one before, so you are saying i should leave all the knobs of both tracks (lowmidhi) at -4db so when i m mixing i have room to turn some element that i wish up without having to go above 0db?

Just want to know if i got it right..           ``We shall not cease from exploration - And the end of all our exploring - Will be to arrive where we started - And know the place for the first time.``

bahia
polly
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Posted : Dec 2, 2009 09:23
Quote:

On 2009-12-02 01:37, becktrank wrote:

i m thinkin in record a dj set, never recorded one before, so you are saying i should leave all the knobs of both tracks (lowmidhi) at -4db so when i m mixing i have room to turn some element that i wish up without having to go above 0db?

Just want to know if i got it right..




no.

when u record mix you use some program to record it. and in that program you have peak meter wich shows when you are clipping. in that meter you see that it starts ? -72 dB ? and at the way top of that meter is 0 (zero) dB so in this meter when your track is hitting really hard like beats and everything going on, you check out that peak meter wont go upper than -4 dB so you have 4 dB's headroom to make your mixes as in mixing you tend to raise a volume littlebit so you have that 4 dB to keep it out of cliping and cliping always means that you are getting distortion and distortion means trouble           http://www.myspace.com/polly_potb
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polly
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Posted : Dec 2, 2009 09:25
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On 2009-12-02 01:52, ~Q9~ wrote:

dB on its own means nothing.



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polly
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Posted : Dec 2, 2009 13:06
damn man

and this helps a lot.

The unit dB (SPL) is often abbreviated to just "dB", which can give the erroneous impression that a dB is an absolute unit by itself.

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