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Keep the volume at a constant...

Becktrank
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Posted : Dec 2, 2009 23:16
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On 2009-12-02 09:23, polly wrote:
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On 2009-12-02 01:37, becktrank wrote:

i m thinkin in record a dj set, never recorded one before, so you are saying i should leave all the knobs of both tracks (lowmidhi) at -4db so when i m mixing i have room to turn some element that i wish up without having to go above 0db?

Just want to know if i got it right..




no.

when u record mix you use some program to record it. and in that program you have peak meter wich shows when you are clipping. in that meter you see that it starts ? -72 dB ? and at the way top of that meter is 0 (zero) dB so in this meter when your track is hitting really hard like beats and everything going on, you check out that peak meter wont go upper than -4 dB so you have 4 dB's headroom to make your mixes as in mixing you tend to raise a volume littlebit so you have that 4 dB to keep it out of cliping and cliping always means that you are getting distortion and distortion means trouble




yeah man, i got your point

but how you do to dont let the volume of both tracks go above than -4dB? do u use a limiter in the recording software thats it ?

I first tought you did this with the mixer eq, but even when recording a dj set you leave all the eqs flat (0db) ?           ``We shall not cease from exploration - And the end of all our exploring - Will be to arrive where we started - And know the place for the first time.``

bahia
supergroover
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Posted : Dec 3, 2009 01:23
You make sure it doesnt go above -4db by setting the main volume at the right place when a track is playing on full power. Don't worry if it gets to -3 or is at -6. You can level that later. Dont use a limiter when recording.
Just mix as you normally do (with eq switching etc). Just don't set the incoming level in the recording pc/laptop/whatever too high so it will distort.
polly
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Posted : Dec 3, 2009 10:16
yes as soopergroover said, in recording program there is level meter how loud is your recording volume and in that level see that when your track is at peak point it wont go over -4 dB.

at mixer keep all on 0 dB or how ever you like it, but remember as our own hero says red means distortion, so what u have to look ut for in mixer is not to go on red.

hahahah

here is step by step quide to recording your dj set with computer to make it all clear

first plug your mixer to computer, take rca out from booth or if you cant use booth take it out from main and plug it on computer with 3,5 mm plug or if you have proper soundcard use rca or what ever , do not use rec output (this is only my option) since when u take it out from rec u cant adjust volume from mixer
so now we have conections done.

put one track in player 1 and adjust levels on mixer so that they are as you want them to be
(like at peak point of track hitting close to red)

now adjustments are made in mixer.

then open that program that u like to use to record your mix.
in some programs u see this peak meter when u have only signal coming in, in others you have start recording to see it, any how u need to see this level meter and adjust your record volume so that at peak point it goes -6 dB or -4 dB.
you can adjust your record volume from computers volume control but in many cases i find it to be really dificult to find good level, so here comes your mixer out put, if you took it from booth adjust booth level so that its good or if you took it from master....

now basicly eves ready and you can start to record your mix. after you are done save it as wav and now you can cut out all peaks and raise volume little bit with sound editing tool or just burn it and send to your local promoter

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Alone


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Posted : Dec 3, 2009 12:48
polly, this is the question, when you are playing for a crowd, you canŽt cut out the peaks, so if you mix and then edit before "sending to your promoter" this is not the work you do in the dancefloor... right?
my problem is just about it...
when i raise both tracks together even when eq is right, the volume at the recording software raise a little just in that part of the mixing...
and thanks for all for the attention


polly
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Posted : Dec 3, 2009 14:01
yes thats true, u got me wrong.
I wasnt talking about total make over, just to cut out those small peaks that u wont hear but they are there so you can get your volume as high as u want.
and usually its not even nesesary.

so but to make some point to this.
Yes its possible to make mix so that volume dont raise during your mix and its not that hard.
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Alone


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Posted : Dec 3, 2009 19:38
how?
polly
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Posted : Dec 3, 2009 19:40
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On 2009-12-03 19:38, Alone wrote:
how?



what how?
how to mix so that volume dont raise?

well man that is one that u have to figure out your self

there is lot of slides and knobs on mixer to help you           http://www.myspace.com/polly_potb
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Dec 3, 2009 22:09
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On 2009-12-03 19:40, polly wrote:

there is lot of slides and knobs on mixer to help you




Alone


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Posted : Dec 4, 2009 11:51
u didnŽt understand the question...
i know how to make a good mix...
im just trying to make it better...

ps: without your makeovers ; )
polly
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Posted : Dec 4, 2009 15:24
can u make one mix for reference so we could hear what u are talking about, is there any way to improve it?
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Becktrank
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Posted : Dec 4, 2009 17:16
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On 2009-12-03 10:16, polly wrote:
first plug your mixer to computer, take rca out from booth or if you cant use booth take it out from main and plug it on computer with 3,5 mm plug or if you have proper soundcard use rca or what ever , do not use rec output (this is only my option) since when u take it out from rec u cant adjust volume from mixer
so now we have conections done.

put one track in player 1 and adjust levels on mixer so that they are as you want them to be
(like at peak point of track hitting close to red)

now adjustments are made in mixer.

then open that program that u like to use to record your mix.
in some programs u see this peak meter when u have only signal coming in, in others you have start recording to see it, any how u need to see this level meter and adjust your record volume so that at peak point it goes -6 dB or -4 dB.
you can adjust your record volume from computers volume control but in many cases i find it to be really dificult to find good level, so here comes your mixer out put, if you took it from booth adjust booth level so that its good or if you took it from master....

now basicly eves ready and you can start to record your mix. after you are done save it as wav and now you can cut out all peaks and raise volume little bit with sound editing tool or just burn it and send to your local promoter






let me see if i get it right, when plugin the mixer into the computer(or soundcard) you use the main output on mixer instead of rec output?

like this...use one cable 2rcaX1(3.5), plug the rca on mixer main output, and the 3`5 into the soundcard. Ok, but, if u used the main output to plug the mixer into soundcard, which output you will use to plug the sound into the speakers ? understand?

and why when use rec, you cant adjust the levels on mixer? what you mean by this? that you cant adjust the main level of the set or also the track levels ? Cause if you cant use the track level faders ye its impossible for me to mix, but if its only a matter of main level, i will only need to adjust the main level on computer before start the set and after it i dont think i will need this anymore, just tracklevels and gain.

after i`ve made the cables connections, i just play a track and open the program, and while the track is playing adjust the level on the software, to make the sound dont go above -4dB on its meters. Do i got it right ?

Also what would be a Good program to record it(good i mean is good sound quality, easy to use and FREE)

anyway, thanks for the toughts and the description of the process polly, i will record a set soon and it helped a lot.

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polly
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Posted : Dec 4, 2009 17:48
well i'm talking about pioneer mixers and in those its impossible to adjust rec-output volume as i know.
if you use main output to record you can use rec-output to stereo or what ever soundsystem you have.
otherwise i think u got it right.
about free audioprograms audacity is one that i know, dunno if its the best but i think it will do the trick           http://www.myspace.com/polly_potb
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Alone


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Posted : Dec 4, 2009 17:53
ok good idea polly .. iŽll make it
Shiranui
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Posted : Dec 9, 2009 06:45
The main reason is because you are mixing two compressed signals and not compressing the output.

If you were to analyze your mix you would see that while the peak signal level is much higher with two tracks mixed, the RMS signal level is only slightly higher (if at all).

In other words: don't worry about the waveforms, Worry about whether it actually sounds louder
Becktrank
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Posted : Dec 14, 2009 07:04
can anyone give me a help here...

i was triying to record a dj set today but without sucess..

first what i did was, plug 2xRCA out from the tape outputs of my mixer, into 1x1'4 STEREO into the input 1 of my soundcard. In audacity i set it to record into two channels (stereo) but when i push record, it only recorded mono, like i could only hear the tracks of both cdj in mono, the left side. I also changed it to the amp output of the mixer but same results...

than i used 2xRCA to 2x1'4 MONO. I pluged the 2 mono into the 2 inputs of the soundcard. But again it only recorded one chanel (R), one of the cables just sended very little signal compared two the other mono cable, but when i used this cable from my computer output it just worked right, i dont know what is fuckin happen and what to do...           ``We shall not cease from exploration - And the end of all our exploring - Will be to arrive where we started - And know the place for the first time.``

bahia
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