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Is the pursuit of new party locations destroying our planet ?
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Ellon
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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 17:03
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Why not stick to the places we are already "using" and renew every year the energies gathered in these events, building up a sense of sacred, of union to the place,the people and the event itself...this fever for the constant new thing is way to destructive for the planet and for ourselves. The earth also needs her (mother wise) sacred places free from the rush of our needs to perform her rituals, so important to the survival of us all...
This has nothing to do with picking trash in a party or feeding the dog you just found sniffing your tent.
 
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 19:15
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I think it's useless thinking that we are that way and beleive in it so much that is its happening all the time...I mean people are ruining a certain part of nature when there is a festival but for sure it can change and this can be done only by making the people concious of what they are doing and giving them the right options and possibilities not to do so. This has to come from the party organisers i mean it's there resposability to make the right envoirnment and not to touch the nature or try not to as much as possible. In the Future more things will be possible and then we will have advanced and solved some problems if you know what i mean. We need to constantly think positive and make these positive toughts become true more than the negative ones isn't it! I know there are organisers who are really taking care of this situation and others who aren't but by time it's inevitable that we become more concious as to how much we need to take care of mother earth! She is our salvation, our happiness, our loving existence! Let's do our best to be with her without damaging her. |
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coSmiIic r080t0n3
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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 20:55
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heres one solution
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Ellon
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Posted : Jan 10, 2008 22:03
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On 2008-01-10 19:15, Soul Kontakt wrote:
I think it's useless thinking that we are that way and beleive in it so much that is its happening all the time...I mean people are ruining a certain part of nature when there is a festival but for sure it can change and this can be done only by making the people concious of what they are doing and giving them the right options and possibilities not to do so. This has to come from the party organisers i mean it's there resposability to make the right envoirnment and not to touch the nature or try not to as much as possible. In the Future more things will be possible and then we will have advanced and solved some problems if you know what i mean. We need to constantly think positive and make these positive toughts become true more than the negative ones isn't it! I know there are organisers who are really taking care of this situation and others who aren't but by time it's inevitable that we become more concious as to how much we need to take care of mother earth! She is our salvation, our happiness, our loving existence! Let's do our best to be with her without damaging her.
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I agree that the festivals and parties should be a great starting point to change mentalities and also people should be given the reponsability to change. But i still say that certain places should be left alone...at least for now. Not everything is a valid party-ground or even suitable for our presence. No matter how "friendly" you are to nature, our presence alone can be very damaging to a certain site. If only because of the attention we can call upon certain part of the earth.....dont keep it underground, keep it secret...mother earth will for sure appreciate!!!!
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NIKTHEQUICK
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Posted : Jan 11, 2008 13:23
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Is the pursuit of new party locations destroying our planet ?......yep....for sure.....but what doesnt today?
Ellon has a point...better leave some places alone...our sole presence can negatively affect it....BUT:
the world is globalizing and purely relating the issue to tourism there are a few issue we should think about before saying that new party location destroy the planet....
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...is it our fault goa-india is being destroyed by rubbish????.......i think the same would have happened even if no hippies started partying hard in the 60s.....actually i would extend the argument and say that ive seen more hippies teaching-educating in india people on the issues of dirtying, burning etc rubbish than any other normal tourist.....and for sure indians dont have an issue with rubbish!!...no culture de-naturalisation here...actually a cultural evolution...imho
and this bring me to the second point: is "our" (hippie, psy, or your personal...relate to it as you wish...but at the end your actions make the real difference) tourism better or worst?....assuming that sooner or later all the world will be discovered.....no more explorers like the 1900th century exist....discovering ancient temples etc
i think "ours" is better....
as we all share similar beliefs towards non materialism, nature, good karma etc.....this provides us with great centres of cultural exchanges....goa, byron bay, san pedro etc...special places where the positive energy substitute the negative ones.....definately should need more of these.......are they worst than they used to be...yes....but its from here we have to learn not to make the same mistakes....!!!???
if we then compare whats close by these places we can see a different picture....
people talk of goa like anjuna vagator etc....but look south where all the resorts big high hotels...dont they spoil the scenery more than hilltop, curlies etc...? i think so....and even if no party happened...would they still be there.....i think so....also in anjuna and vagator and morjim.....!!
an even more drastic example is surfers paradise very close to byron bay.....
the former with skyscrapers high as the twin towers and cement all round...nice paradise!!!...or byron where no mc donald exist, free food everyday, concerts everywhere....low buildings....and yes i agree....imagine how much more beautiful it was back in the day...still we have to spot the difference!
thailand issue???...please.....in thailand there is the worst type of tourism.....not because of parties...but because of 14% of GDP is prostitution....
then answer...... phuket or ko phangan?.....
look at laos and cambodia (little or no parties)....turning like thailand...because an influx of tourist bring a disproportionate amount of money which in turn changes the landscape...the first major impact on nature!......
imho...we should have parties all around to show....and not only in new third world locations but at home also...that we know better...!!....we should guide the tourism giving importance to cultural exchanges and evolution rather than nature destruction!!!
please join in a constructive discussion....
please organizers make more environmentally conscious parties....and freaks....respect the nature always!
aum namah shivaya
PS looking at boom 2008 these guys took the environmental issue seriously....
do you think the festival will/has pollute more than the agriculture around it...the use of pesticides etc?....i suppose we will see the effects this year...? |
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Posted : Jan 12, 2008 17:31
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On 2008-01-11 13:23, NIKTHEQUICK wrote:
....yep....for sure.....but what doesnt today?"
*so keep looking for new locations and help destroy it even more????!!!!
THIS is exaclty the attitude that is destroying planet earth- an attitude tat is that there is so much thats already wreckin it how can my 'lil party make it any worse. But it is!!
"thailand issue???...please.....in thailand there is the worst type of tourism.....not because of parties...but because of 14% of GDP is prostitution...."
* SEE there is a chain which ur obviously missing my friend. search for party locations= parties= more tourists = rise in prostitutions , rise in hotels/resorts = destruction of nature and culture of a place.
*ur looking at this issue for some reason as a party being this huge cultural experience that is providing the locals of a city(evn those not attending) a big educational experince.- I DONT THINK SO.
and were not really talking abt the pros and cons of a party.
the issue on hand is if searching constantly for new party locations destroying the planet and it is slowly but steadly. yes ofcourse there are other reasons too that are contributing to the destruction but the issue at hand is new party locations so lets just stick to that for now na. 
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...is it our fault goa-india is being ..and for sure indians dont have an issue with rubbish!!...no culture de-naturalisation here...actually a cultural evolution...imho"
thanks but no thanks.. i dont want this kind of cultural evolution ur talking about.-this is my opinion and im just one indian
the whole boom shanti karma plur aum nama shivaya is not helping my country look any cleaner or become any more cultural.
phewwwwwwwwww
now back to the topic
i definately think that searching for new locations is destroying the places and that is the wrath of tourism and the greed of a man to constantly look for something better.
i agree with alot of what "journey man project" and ellon have said.The solution as Ellon suggested is be happy with what we have and not spoil anymore places.
whether that will happen is another debate.
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Psy_mystic
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Posted : Jan 12, 2008 20:03
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On 2007-10-28 19:11, Alias wrote:
in the end we are all hypocrites
we using cars, paperswoods, and other products that destroying the planet and wildlife!
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but some of us choose not to. Some of us choose to make out lifes harder so that we will not affect the planet in a bad way .. be the change u wanna see man and stop saying: oh but we all do this and that " Well STOP doing it ... do sth about it other than complaining
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Ellon
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Posted : Jan 13, 2008 12:24
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On 2008-01-12 20:03, Psy_mystic wrote:
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On 2007-10-28 19:11, Alias wrote:
in the end we are all hypocrites
we using cars, paperswoods, and other products that destroying the planet and wildlife!
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but some of us choose not to. Some of us choose to make out lifes harder so that we will not affect the planet in a bad way .. be the change u wanna see man and stop saying: oh but we all do this and that " Well STOP doing it ... do sth about it other than complaining
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+1....i also choose not to!!!!
Psymistic said it....stop doing it, change the way you live.....people who only proclaim thet everybody s is doing it and its not possible to do it in a different way, are part of the problem....quit and became not part of the solution but the solution itself.
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Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Jan 13, 2008 13:42
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Yeah man the change has to start from somewere so let's all be part of it! Let's take more care about planet earth cause it's our only home for now! I totally agree and also do it already...
Boom :)
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NIKTHEQUICK
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Posted : Jan 14, 2008 12:45
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@ lovenlight
sorry but you missed my point even if we clearly disagree on the issue.....
i was just pointing out personal observations to justify, because sooner or later we, as man, will consume and "invade" everything and everywhere, that it is better environmentally conscious people, like the psy crowd generally is, to arrive at these places first......and use the knowledge we bring to improve them.......i know we are actually not improving (but quite the opposite) but at least not at the same pace as the high class, environmentally unresponsible, money oriented tourism....
This was reason for comparing north (guesthouse-family owned) and south goa (resorts- company owned), surfers paradise (skyscrapers) with byron (low (often wooden) buildings)......can you SEE the difference?
i can perfectly SEE the relationship between more tourist - more hotels+resort - less nature- less culture but cant relate
party locations=parties= resorts= prostitution???......what do "our" crowd have to do with prostitution?....never saw anything...maybe im wrong!?
and last but not least......
as an indian you dont show to be very concerned with the issue of rubbish...i think the biggest concern for a new party location and with regards to your country......maybe instead of criticizing my views on evolution, (and sorry it wasnt put that well....could have used a better term) you should think how to educate your population to reduce this terrible problem. I didnt want to improve your culture...just wanted to show how ive seen more "psy" people trying to keep india clean, than indians....
(i can see you did not understand my post....
the whole boom shanti shankar shiva chambu aum namah etc....is MY personal cultural evolution and makes ME cleaner.....not india....!
phhhhhheeeeewwwww))
anyways let the discussion continue....sorry for my sarcasm...
now some more constructive points:
best easy ways to pollute less at parties???any suggestions??....
we had already the film canisters for sigarettes...very important!, what about the cost of plates and glasses made of leaves???....too expensive or a good idea?....
busses from main centres to save petrol on cars...ex boom bus?....
anymore..?
aum namah shivaya
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Posted : Jan 14, 2008 20:47
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^dear nick
thank u for trying to clarify but i do still disagree and i think its now with ur view that the psy crowd is some how different from general tourists!!
somehow u think we are above the general tourists that visit a town.i dont understand this differentiation much and dont agree with it.
and i can go on arguing with you but will not as this thread is not about our differences but on how to protect our land
and i still stand by my opinion of just reusing the places we have and not spoiling more untouched territory.
i think "my population" as u put it has many other much serious issues to deal with than rubbish created by the psy parties you attend
cheers!
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