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is that so easy to release a disk and what for?
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ShivaS
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Posted : Mar 11, 2003 21:48
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well, that question risen up couple of days ago.
Suddenly i thought about that cause of the huge ammount of different labels nowadays
Even despite the fact the big ones are closing, it became easier to release staff
we always talk that no quality stuff is released, big labels are closing and so on
but from another point of view it became much easier to execute music nowadays, if it's bad or good
look at the releases of the monsters, it took years to release anything but even nowadays their own releases being executed more frequently then awaited
for us, as listeners, a release from the promising new talents is a festival, but is there another side of a coin?
i still think that keeping that music being released only under quality supervision would save some kind of sideeffects, like a little "degradation", which is felt these days...
and as result more support, more money and more interest in a little bit limited number of artists but still very heavy and wide indistry.
ah yes and that download thingy
may be make it legal for download?
allow listeners to judge before disc is released
that way they can know its cost to succeed
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Mar 11, 2003 22:12
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genrally you are right, but i can't think of a way to solve this.
labels should have their own quality control (maybe more strict than nowdays) and we, as buyers should show the label we will only buy the quality stuff.
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Dovla
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Posted : Mar 12, 2003 01:56
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On 2003-03-11 22:12, Gilad Refael wrote:
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that's just the point...someone wants to release a track....most labels don't like it....and he opens his own label with his friends...that's how it goes...so now we have hundreds of labels...
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Blind Mind
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Posted : Mar 12, 2003 03:59
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On 2003-03-12 01:56, Dovla wrote:
...so now we have hundreds of labels...
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For me, as a pure listener with the need for search regulary for new Music/Releases,
that sounds great !
I have choice, you know ?
I just must define my taste, focus on my favourite Labels/Artists, be open minded for what's going around, explore new "fields" once in a while and...that's it !
And, from my point of view, that's good !
About the Labels problems & stuff (the other side of a coin) well, that's a fact but i guess it always happened, happen and always will happen !
There would be the ones who survive and there would be the ones who don't !
That's Life.
So, the only thing i can do in my position, is trying to support my favourites Artists/Labels buying their material, showing it to friends, speaking about it with interested ppl etc, to give a humble contribution in order to keep them
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shahar
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Posted : Mar 12, 2003 09:27
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Well, later this week we will publish an article by DJ Yaniv Tal (Hadshot Haheizar), about the subject, and about the whole problem with the trance releasing music industry. I advise all to read it.
Indeed the problem is quality control. This is basically one of the main functions labels/distributions should hold.
They don't nowadays. It's all about names/money in many cases. The outcome is a bad situation.
Read more about it in that article. I'll write more about my thought on the subject in response to it.
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BrainStorm
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Posted : Mar 12, 2003 14:24
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I think record label's opinion is incorrect in many cases, although the people who "controlling" the releasing issues in record labels often are trully experienced and "know" what music should catch the listener.. still, i think the only ones who really may judge is the listeners and not those who distributes the discs
2-3-5 people cant judge someones music objectively... 1000 can!
and about the legal downloading... well i think streaming\listening of the songs is really enough to understand if one likes it or not - there's no need for download.
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shahar
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Posted : Mar 16, 2003 10:20
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Well, Yaniv's article is online on the site.
I suggest that all that are interested in this subject read it. You can laso comment there.
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pSyVibez
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Posted : Mar 16, 2003 10:42
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Well
i find it strange all this talking .
lets think of the artist .
you sit at home , starting to put money and
time on your dream - to release a track / cd .
imagne a world with 3 big comapny which
you can go and publish your music .
you go there .
they look at you , hear your track ,
and say - ok man - now take your staff ,
fix here and there and come back in 2-3 mounths
time .... 
im pretty happy with the situation today .
when you can take your track ,
and actually find some 1 which will be happy
with it !!!
i see production as the spirit of my life ,
and i thank god been born in israel ,
heaven for trance music !!!
sYnthrOid -
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yossi
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Posted : Mar 16, 2003 11:45
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very nice article from our friend Yaniv...
after all these years in the business he sure knows what he`s talking about.
so, these r my 2 cents on the topic:
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sooo true!!!
imho this is the main reason for the scene being where it is today. and this fact has also huge effect/impact on newer artists. ppl got to understand that we r stending in a situation where its very very hard for labels/artists to live from music. its almost imposible!!!
like every business, its an investment. and no matter how good the music is, it not sales enough to cover the extrimely high upfront payments that labels pay to the artists. (relatively small market, illegal downlads etc etc.)... plus, u need to include the printings, shipings, promotion etc etc.
its still hard 4 me to belive that we got to a point where a totaly new artist can ask for 300-500USD for a track (and maybe today it sounds legitimate... but its totaly not!) artists/labels/distributeds got to realize that its hard nowdays, and lower the incomes expectations from the music.
get real!
boom
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KosMos
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Posted : Mar 16, 2003 14:10
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4 days ago, a very close friend of mine said to me:
"be very happy if a label releases your music with no payment. give it free. releasing it, will be your payment"
although he is right about the last one.. just the thought that i should be thankfull to find someone to release my music "so easily" and not ask anything more, really ruins my psychology..
i think it's the same for most of the new artists..
(i know i didn't stick very much to the main subject but it was a good excuse for me to express my thought..)
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full_on
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Posted : Mar 16, 2003 14:56
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On 2003-03-12 09:27, shahar wrote:
Indeed the problem is quality control.
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Agree. Cd's with one or two good or excelent tracks don't interest me. I buy only if I find out that must tracks on the CD are good (my taste).
Artists should pay attention to this. You will release a great track? That's amazing, but your's will be the only good track on the disk? For we, the buyers, that's kinda disappointing...
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Mike A
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Posted : Mar 16, 2003 15:06
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Thing is, quality control in Labels only checks the sound.
If something has good sound, no one cares about the music inside..
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nobody_3
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Posted : Mar 16, 2003 15:37
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An artist is not obligated to make music that satisfy all people !!!
First and foremost the artist only have to make music that he/she like. If an artist start to speculate in people's taste and make music according to that taste then the music isn't honest anymore....
I would never make music just for the sake of pleasing people. I make music for my own pleasure and according to my own taste and are happy if some people like it. I am not responsible for people's taste !
So when you say that you are not interested in a CD with only one or two good tracks on it you can only speak for yourself. Another person might think that all tracks are very good. It's all about taste and no one should ever dictate what an artist should release or not ! |
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Kaz
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Posted : Mar 16, 2003 16:02
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Basically, I think the problem is on many different levels. Everyone involved is to blame. Let's look at this part by part:
1. Listeners: Album sales today don't differ that much between one compilation and another. That means that the people who buy music are either not selective, or that people don't buy albums that are special to them. This has been debated in many threads here, with comments given from record labels, artists, and listeners.
2. Labels: Quality control, or rather, lack of it, is all around. When the big labels need to worry about money and release only stuff they know will succeed, they select certain music from certain names, instead of just picking something special. This is a necessity for the big labels nowadays. The small labels want to be noticed, so they quickly sign up new artists from all around and aren't very selective about the music they get from the more famous acts.
3. The Artists: well, a lot of artists have released premature creations. Some of the music released today is released only because the artist wants recognition, something to make his status "official". This happens a lot more with the newer artists, as the more famous artists have their own need to improve on their previous creations which made them famous in the first place. And of course, certain artists make music that will be popular and rock the dancefloor instead of trying to really express themselves. The Bigwigs have shown a great trait here(aside from their subtle cynicism and gentle humor), patience. We didn't hear a lot of releases from these guys so far, but what they do release is very interesting and well made (and their live was more than good at Samothraki).
In short - if people buy the releases they find special, the problem is solved. If the labels release only things that they think are truely worthy of any trance fan's money, the problem is solved. If the artists release only music that's ready for a release of the highest quality they can make, solved again. So, everyone here is guilty to an extent, because all of us are trance fans (who give the labels money for releasing amazing things), a lot are musicians (or aspiring ones), and the label employees.
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nobody_3
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Posted : Mar 16, 2003 16:17
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I agree to an extend to what you're saying kaz.
Yes labels should learn to be far more selective and release quality instead of quantity. The problem with many underground labels is that they are owned by amatures (no offense) that just want to release as much music as possible. Instead of looking for the right artists for the label and evolve with those artists they decide release compilation after compilation. This way we end up with a lot of "supermarket" music and releases aimed to sell now and die fast.
When it come to the artists I feel that way too many people think they are an "artist" just because they have a computer and Fruity loops (god damn it's a shitty peace of software) and can program a beat and some sounds.
It's simply too easy to get a record deal in our scene (again thanks to the amatourish labels)... Not all people can be a painter or a doctor and it's the same when it come to music... There's simply too much "crap" (notice that's it's my opinion) getting released all the time.... And here I also think about production quality !
So yes it is a mixed problem but in the end the responsible part(s) in my eyes are the labels and the distributors because they release whatever they get their hands on... and also people buying the "crap".. If the don't buy it there would not be so many "crappy" releases.....You can't blaim a kid for releasing a "bad" track when a lable flash money in front of his eyes! |
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