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is that so easy to release a disk and what for?

Gilad Refael
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Posted : Mar 16, 2003 18:10
Everything has been already said.

Here are examples of things that are wrong in our small scene (in no order):
1. An artist's first release is a solo album (somthing that should be the PEAK of his "career")
2. Every "junior" artist can preform live.
3. Anyone can get a version of Fruity Loops and automaticly become an artist.
4. (some) People buy whatever the record shop brings them.
5. Anyone with a relativly small budget can open his own label and flood the scene with #1, #3 or any other lame releases.

Of course not all labels, artists and buyers are one of these options.           REHAB is for quitters
Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Mar 16, 2003 18:47
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On 2003-03-16 18:10, Gilad Refael wrote:
1. An artist's first release is a solo album (somthing that should be the PEAK of his "career")


not every artist's first release is a solo album. look at astrix, atomic pulse, sub6, blanka etc.
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2. Every "junior" artist can preform live.


performing live isn't as simple as you think...
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3. Anyone can get a version of Fruity Loops and automaticly become an artist.


by your premise, anyone who buys a sports car automatically becomes micheal shumacher...
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4. (some) People buy whatever the record shop brings them.


debateable, since not all people buy from record shop and those that do don't allways buy everything. it's subjectable.
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5. Anyone with a relativly small budget can open his own label and flood the scene with #1, #3 or any other lame releases.


ask yossi and andres how small their budget is. a lable is not all what you people are cutting it out to be           "We Do Not Allways See Things As They Are. We See Things As We Are" -Ancient Chinese Proverb

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Weirdo Beardo

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Posted : Mar 16, 2003 18:56
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An artist's first release is a solo album (somthing that should be the PEAK of his "career")



I don't know about that.. Guess that since there are less and less 12" released now a days, it's harder to reach out to people in the form of a single.
Compilations is possibly the most spread medium today, and not every compilation seems to be decently worked out....

There is less opportunity for the artists to live out their minds to the maximum, and therefore have to settle with contributing on a compilation...

But I agree with you that some artists release a album way to early... totally before they are the least ready for it..

I have been active since mid ninety's, and haven't releasd a album yet, simply because I've never been able to fill a CD with material that I'm 110% satisfied with.

Well, I hope to get my debut-album out this year, but right now things seems pretty dark here (never get time to work in the studio anymore =(
Gilad Refael
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Posted : Mar 17, 2003 00:17
Hehe Yossi you should read my post and understand it fully.

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not every artist's first release is a solo album. look at astrix, atomic pulse, sub6, blanka etc.



I never said EVERY artist (see the last sentence), but I said that when a new artist's first release is a solo album something is fucked up.


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performing live isn't as simple as you think...



Again, I meant that a "live" prefomence is tough and requires lots of expirience. Even some big acts don't preform real live. So when new artists do preform live I say something is fucked up.


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by your premise, anyone who buys a sports car automatically becomes micheal shumacher...



Once again...
If this was true, something was fucked up in the racing world. But its not, and the trance scene IS fucked up (or going in that direction).


I was trying to be as general as I could be so no one would get hurt personally by me mentioning names.

gilad.

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Posted : Mar 17, 2003 00:26
I must w0rd with Mike A here:

Labels control only the quality of the sound! There is no control over the music quality.

and there are Labels which control both - and you could see how we the listeners choose them with opened hands. I think you know which labels I'm talking about so I won't mention them.

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yossi
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Posted : Mar 17, 2003 11:33
this thread is becoming poitless when u start talking about this artist and that label.

few things on my mind...
about the "tons of crap", again... its a taste thingy. so dont say that there r tons of crap, coz in the few last months i found lots of great albums/compilation/12" that was worth buying.

the best thing and most effective one to do is just to make your own statment in the music store.

if u realy wanna save whats left from this whole thing do your efforts and save alittle money to the thing u love most... this music.

i belive that when we`ll get to a point where ppl will buy only the music they like... most things will be solved.

and about our little label, i dont wanna make here a promotional post. but if u realy wanna know/ask/suggeste... we r more then open, but its not the place.

plur

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Zombi
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Posted : Mar 17, 2003 11:42
well, i cant judge whole trance industry coze i even dont try to know all the releases or even 30% of it but i have to say that my favorite labels make extremaly good work in last year, i happy with stuff i buy and see the future very rose. also find alot of new and refreshing labels and artists that make it interesting, so friends, my opinion is that music is very good now, just learn where to find it.
and soon alot of great releases come as well, so save your money, festival continue !!
i think the problem of alot of ppl is that they get (dl mostly) too much music, then its started to be boring of course. make a variety by yourself, by creative shopping:)
north europe progressive music has a wonderful year, uk bros do incredible things and some crossover acts show what is progress about.
just search in places u never was, its always will bring u to something never heard before...
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nobody_3
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Posted : Mar 17, 2003 11:52
No yossi it is not pointless to talk about the labels and the artists when it come to quality and a good production releases.
It's very easy to see that no one BUT the labels are the ones responsible when they release a new artist that should have stayed in the studio a few more years.

When people pay as much money as they do for a CD they have the right to expect that the music is of the ebst quality possible. I am not talking about the style or the way the music is composed as it is a matter of taste but about the production quality.

In my opinion way too many labels release music that should never have left the "home studio" because it simply is of a too poor production quality.

Of course there are bands that intentionally want a rough distorted sound and their fans know that but when a person decide that he or she want to make money from releasing music then he or she have a responsability to make the best production as possible. And this is where the labels come in.

If it's too easy to get a record deal then the quality also go down. And you know very well that it's way too easy to get your music released in our scene. The labels just don't have the money and patience to grow woth their artists. Today it's all about releasing compilation no. 100 within one year. That does not help the situation one bit...

So you see the labels and of course artists do have a responsability to release quality production and to "educate" people to listen to music made in the best way possible.
yossi
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Posted : Mar 17, 2003 12:49
well... i do think that listing artists and label names in this thread wond do any good.

and dear elysium (sorry.. forgot your name), 2day`s most labels r individual, and with all the respect... u cant and wont tell labels what to release or not to release.

whats "crap" to u can be gold to others.

sure... labels have alot of responsiblety when coming to releasing music, but imho... the costumers have way much more responsiblety to keep this scene alive and to give it its direction...

no matter how much labels will pop up, the cround/costumers must show their way of thinking and their way of excepting this disrespecting treatment that they get from the most labels nowdays. (yes... releasing tons of music without any selction and expecting that ppl will buy it is disrespectful to the listiners).

so i think that all we have to do... again, make our statment in the music stores.

btw: dont get me wrong, we think alike... and talking about the same thing man

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Yanniv Gold (Onyx)
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Posted : Mar 17, 2003 15:32
A chain reaction solution for the chain reaction problem:

1- Artists:
Work harder on your production, don't try to release everything. Do you really think your product is worth releasing? Put more time on creating your music, get the highest level you can. Try to sell it when you are sure about it. You just want to finish it quickly and make some bucks? Not on our backs!

2- Labels:
Do you really like your releases? Tracks that have been made by your neighbor's son maybe sounded very cool on last week's forest party where your DJs played it, but is it good enough for a CD product? Don't buy tracks from artists that didn't do their job as mentioned on paragraph 1. Be professional. invest more in your products. What about concepts? Good graphics? Printing and pressing? Mastering?

3- Distributors:
Don't take any release to your catalog just to make it bigger. Even if you don't have to pay for products that haven't been sold it doesn't mean that it has to be there. Limit it, add an underground section or something. Don't take products from labels that didn't do their job as mentioned on paragraph 2.

4- Shops:
watch your orders. If you sell Trance music make sure you have the right man to choose carefully the products you sell. Get promos from distributors/ labels, order only what you think is good for your costumers. What is the point to order products and return them later on? Don't order all new products from your distributor's catalog, make sure that your distributor do it's job as mentioned on paragraph 3.

5- Consumers:
Listen to the products before you buy it and BUY BUY BUY. I know that for a lot of people that are involved in the scene it is pointless to buy new CDs all the time if you are professional DJs/ amateur DJs/ labels managers/ Party promoters or WHAT EVER related direct to the scene. You get the music for free so why should you buy it for yourself? I'm in the same situation but I found a personal solution. I'm going to buy Trance music as presents. When my brother will have his next birthday I will get him a good Trance CD. Do the same! No more smelly candles or aftershaves. Trance CD will do great for the Bar Mitzvah of your cousin

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We are all guilty in this situation. We all did some mistakes. Let's leave it and find the solution. Almost each and every one of us did something wrong, it's easier to find what others did- but we all did! Let's move on, forget about the past, try to survive and keep the rules from now on (Not that I'm saying that these rules are the right ones- It's a start, you can fix it, you can add some but I really think it's the basic).

Last thing is "Underground Trance music":

If we all keep the high rules, what will happen with the underground music? music that no one in the Trance scene will want to release but it really has something new and fresh? A solution and a right place should be created for it. I'm not that smart to find solutions for all but the underground music shouldn't die. Maybe this is the right music for downloading from the net. Maybe someone should open up a website with a place for music that no one want to release but the artists really believe that this is the next thing. We cannot play god and tell the people what is the right music. Our rules are about quality control for the mainstream Trance, not for killing the freedom of creation.

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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Mar 17, 2003 17:18
well said yaniv.
i agree           REHAB is for quitters
nobody_3
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Posted : Mar 17, 2003 17:48
Could not agree more yaniv... my exact views

But is it ok also to buy it for Christmas here in Europe?
yossi
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Posted : Mar 17, 2003 17:59
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Yanniv Gold (Onyx)
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Posted : Mar 17, 2003 18:46
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On 2003-03-17 17:48, Elysium Project wrote:

But is it ok also to buy it for Christmas here in Europe?



hehe... We can swop christmas and Hanuka presents...           Express your digital emotions
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Zombi
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Posted : Mar 17, 2003 18:50
i think problematic part of all it its a already million times been descussed mp3 thing. u can make a great mastering, invite kool designers (that cost pretty much), make it as good as its possible but ppl will just dl it (in a good way it will be a real trak, in a bad it will be a fake so ppl will say its tottal shit) and enjoy it free. till most of the ppl dl their music nothing will help.
there is couple of labels that have great concepts in their cds, only high quality stuff, well designed and prety good distributed but they r also grow down in their sells, question why...
its a ideology behind the music, its a normal behavour of ppl that listen to it. till ppl will not understand the fun of original cd (that much bigger than the price its cost) things will go down and down..
but is the things go down ?? dunno, not sure.
and its not only trance music but every music i know about a bit.
but sure Yaniv words is a Gold !!           Believe your soul !
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