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Is Psytrance completing a full circle ?

krisamadhi
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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 16:12
After seeing and hearing more and more fusions between
psychedelic trance and jam bands, where do you think that psychedelia is headed?







I for one am glad to see this happen, I think it is going to change minds (again)
around the world.

Onto the next level ?
          Kri
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maximjou
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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 18:53
beautiful move. simon knows whats up
thegooddale
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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 19:59
Quote:

On 2007-08-06 16:12, krisamadhi wrote:
After seeing and hearing more and more fusions between
psychedelic trance and jam bands, where do you think that psychedelia is headed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiyVE0PPSEs

I for one am glad to see this happen, I think it is going to change minds (again)
around the world.

Onto the next level ?




Did you hear the Shpongle/Alan Parsons track on the latest Alan Parsons Project"A Valid Path" cd? Some pretty grooving fusion stuff there.

As far as the direction in which psychedelia is heading... I would say psychedelia in music is going in pretty much every direction and is ever-present in many different types of music. I don't think that you could say it is headed in any one specific direction...

Check out this band... they are making some great psychedelic music...
Red Sparowes live @ The Paradiso in Amsterdam 05/27/07
http://www.fabchannel.com/red_sparowes
KaiserSoze
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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 20:34
Thanks for the link.. Definitely in on the epic "math rock" stuff..
Mogwai, Pelican, Russian Circles, Godspeed You Black Emperor, etc           AntiShanti/Sangoma
Chilluminati.org, T.O.U.C.H. Samadhi
krisamadhi
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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 20:44
My heading should have been :
Is psychedelia completing a full circle ?           Kri
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relezionizova


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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 21:04
nope           protect your soul, not your believe, neither your tribe!

reveal the forbidden mistery !
krisamadhi
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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 22:05
I guess what i am trying to get at is that the old farts of psy are going back to their roots.           Kri
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IcycoiL


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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 22:06
As far as I know Psytrance evolved out of Goa Trance, which was originally
affiliated with the hippie movement. Due to this I'd think in the past there was way more of an influence on jam band rock/jazz/fusion than there is within the psytrance genre now. Personally when I listen to trance I like the emphasis to be on the electronic, or "synthesized" part of the sounds, though I find it is nice when non-synthetic instruments are intertwined such as acoustic guitars, strings, and acoustic drums that are digitally recorded and manipulated! I have always been drawn to electronic sounds, but in a particular way, where it is the dominant factor of what is going on within the track. Not only that, but certain types of electronic sounds, such as the 303, 909, Akai, Roland, Korg, Novation, Virus, etc.
Don't get me wrong, it's nice to listen to music where band instruments are jamming out, maybe even with underlying synthetic instruments. However, I think psychedelic trance is it's own kind of "jam band". It's electronic jam band music, just with different instruments. Jam band psychedelic trance fusion has already been done with artists like Eat Static, Ozric Tentacles, Secret Vibes, Shpongle, Soundtribe Sector 9, AXIOM Ambient, etc.It has definitely been around awhile, and catches on with those who dig. However, psytrance completing a full circle? I don't think so. I think it is evolving into something else, and I'm always excited to see what it becomes, except when it is monotonous machine gun music (sorry had to slide that in there =P)
adrienne


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Posted : Aug 6, 2007 23:43
ooo.. vegetal and i saw pelican on saturday night. good show!
i also enjoy god speed you black emporor, expolsions in the sky.... red sparrows is my new favorite though... they have an epic list of members on their roster! mmm.
DanVapid
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Posted : Aug 7, 2007 08:26
pretty reminiscent of post-syd barrett pink floyd stuff....when they became less psycehedlic. is simon really singing now??? do younger brother sets still have beats?
spliffnik
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Posted : Aug 7, 2007 10:27
the singer in the video is obviously not simon, he is standing behind a booth in the center back of the stage...
as far as this collaboration it is interesting to hear but nothing new and I certainly dont see it as the start or end of anything...as far as a psytrance act playing at a bigger level event, its happened many times before, one example is GMS and skazi playing at fuji rock festival a couple of years back, didnt really change anything tho....but i guess that might be because its gms and skazi...
also ive talked about it before but many trance promoters have tried to get jam band festivals to do a fusion with trance...one example was spun rec trying to coproduce with some phish show organizers, having GMS play in the morning after a night of jam music.....but the promoters of the jam band side just never seem to show interest.....well at least that is what chicago told me...
hmmm i dont know exactly what kri was asking so the question is hard to answer but in my opinion this is nothing new....in any case the big-time producers cater to a huge crowd and thus make their music easy to understand for the masses, not a whole lot of psychedelia to be found in huge shows imo. i prefer the people reaching out to the music and discovering it than the other way around......
rewarpster


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Posted : Aug 7, 2007 17:32
Lots of core psy trance artists are releasing new albums nowadays. Maybe this is something Kri wanted to outline.

Kri - thanks for the awesome mix Galaxy, btw. I guess everyone should enjoy this beautiful full-on psy trance mix (download from www.touchsamadhi.com web site)           -- rewarp reality
krisamadhi
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Posted : Aug 7, 2007 18:11
Yeah I was trying to say that the people that have been into the psy scene for over 10 years seem to be branching out, which I think is a good thing cause it keeps them thinking of new ways in which to write music.

thanks for the Galaxy pump up!
It is one of my favorites ever.           Kri
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ocelot
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Posted : Aug 7, 2007 19:02
eh- its popular with the masses...
"real" music has always been more popular with the masses... thats why skazi plays the geeeetar. hee haw!
is this jam-band + worldmusic/"psy" chillout fusion really a revolutionary move?
ummm nope. been there. done that. about 15 years ago like it was pointed out...
to be honest the 70's stuff was more experimental...
at the point Phish became the heirs to the Grateful Dead legacy i would say the mix of bluegrass, jazz, and rock-n-roll had been played out already...
thousands of fans obviously disagree with me but i remember when YES and Captain Beefheart were the cutting edge of art rock so maybe im just jaded...

i think psytrance scenesters sometimes have moments when they realize our extreme isolation, then they go about trying to build bridges and make everyone feel fuzzy and nice...

i didnt get into this stuff (psytrance)for comfort music... i prefer abstract jazz to most rock and roll and all country... i guess i dont see anything futuristic about simon posford, shpongle, or jam bands...

but i respect "real" musicians... who can play what they hear in their head-
all the good ones end up in jazz-fusion or classical it seems... rock-n-roll is too simple and stupid for a real musician it seems... (3 chord rehash of blues without the soul)

this electronic dance music is something else...
and watering it down to make some "live action" for morons to stare at, well... not into it...

karmakanik
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Posted : Aug 7, 2007 19:15
honestly, whatever "we" think about this is irrelevant, i don't really think any of this is being aimed at *us*. i mean we are all already turned on to psytrance, i think this is a pitch at those who are "on the fence" so to speak.

Whether this is a legitimate attempt for YB to expand their musical vocabulary and audience or a cynical cash grab is up for debate. I for one tend to the former though. I mean Simon's been writing trance music for what, 15 years now, i can certainly understand him becoming bored with all the stylistic constraints present in the music in this scene.
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