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Posted : Aug 7, 2007 21:30
Sorry about the words play, btw - no back thoughts.
-- rewarp reality
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Posted : Aug 8, 2007 01:33
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On 2007-08-07 19:02, ocelot wrote:
to be honest the 70's stuff was more experimental...
at the point Phish became the heirs to the Grateful Dead legacy i would say the mix of bluegrass, jazz, and rock-n-roll had been played out already...
thousands of fans obviously disagree with me but i remember when YES and Captain Beefheart were the cutting edge of art rock so maybe im just jaded...
Woo Hoo!!! You mentioned YES and Capt. Beefheart!!!
There's sooo much groundbreaking music from the 70's back when prog-rock meant "progressing the state-of-art" of rock music. Bands like King Crimson and Henry Cow (real heady stuff). Miles Davis, in his electric period, could get far-out...he would have 2 or 3 keyboard players in his band, an incredible array of tone colors and harmonics. I actually quite like the 3-chord rock and have been listening to more of it these days.
Anyway I think's fun and still important to touch people emotionally with music. To create this kind of music no doubt requires the composer to have been emotionally touched in some way and ultimately transfers to the listener. Some form of empathic communications. Generally it seems that the more abstract musics which includes "darkpsy has limited strengths in this area. There might even be an unsaid dictum: "Eschew Sentimentality, Expand concepts of music". This is basically the same approach as many modern orchestral compositions.
It's hard to tell if there'll be a "next big step"...these days with so much mutual-influence it's all happening in baby-steps. I kind of feel the same way as Aaron though...there isn't much i've heard in the live music arena that I haven't really heard before...as a matter of fact most of what I hear today is obviously borrowed from projects of the past and are typically pale imitations of the original.
No doubt I'd work with in a live music project if the right musicians crossed paths.
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Posted : Aug 8, 2007 16:09
you said it bro......you think maybe no monno might take some baby giant steps out to colorado to visit and jam as soon as we've got a universities studio at our disposal?????.....we might could make for some interesting stuff......bring that drummer dude with the long curly hair tooo!!!!!!!......lovepeace
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Posted : Aug 8, 2007 23:16
drummer dude aka Cosmik Dancer aka Hanuman Das aka Dan Covan has shaved his hair off. Like Samson and Delilah, I don't know what that's done with has handsonic skills but last I heard him, he's really great.
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Posted : Aug 9, 2007 10:07
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rock-n-roll is too simple and stupid for a real musician it seems... (3 chord rehash of blues without the soul)
what a completely fucking ignorant statement that is, thats like saying all trance sounds like something oakenfold would put out and the "real" musicians make IDM electronic wise.
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Posted : Aug 9, 2007 18:18
Anyone familiar with Sinister Funk (don't know if that's the actually name) I stumbled upon it by accident and it's like psy-soul, I love it! I want more...
I'm pretty clue-less when it come to the jam genre though. Me and my co-worker were dubbed the "hippie-girls" at work. Dreads, bones necklaces, colorful clothes and disappearing for periods of time to attend festivals but I'm a trancer, she's a "phish-head". We tend to both hit a brick wall when trying to understand eachother's scenes.
Can anyone direct me toward some good jam-bands?..besides greatful dead. I know there are more out there.
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Posted : Aug 9, 2007 19:49
I think the Sinister Funk project went on ice a few years ago. Opher moved from NY to LA, still doing music I believe but I don't know what. Related is the "IndiaDrop" project.
Although it's not rock music per se, I would check out these Miles Davis albums: In a Silent Way, Bitches Brew, Agartha. Bill Laswell remixed a variety of Miles' electric music from the early 70's on an album called "Panthalassa"...highly recommended too! You might start here. This music was a cross-over between jazz and rock, it's pretty deep stuff, and with the jazz element, plenty of extended improvisation.
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Posted : Aug 9, 2007 20:57
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On 2007-08-09 19:49, mono mono wrote:
I think the Sinister Funk project went on ice a few years ago. Opher moved from NY to LA, still doing music I believe but I don't know what. Related is the "IndiaDrop" project.
Although it's not rock music per se, I would check out these Miles Davis albums: In a Silent Way, Bitches Brew, Agartha. Bill Laswell remixed a variety of Miles' electric music from the early 70's on an album called "Panthalassa"...highly recommended too! You might start here. This music was a cross-over between jazz and rock, it's pretty deep stuff, and with the jazz element, plenty of extended improvisation.
-dean
Bitches Brew is phenomenal... I love all of that Mingus, Parker, Davis era jazz sound... Very heady stuff...
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Posted : Aug 10, 2007 01:43
Another great psychedelic man with a vision of music beyond space was Thelonius Monk. He was doing " time in of time of " stuff that hard to describe. Kind of like the sound of falling down stairs but with trippy melodies. Brian Enos was good and so was Robert Fripp. The album " Let the power fall " is live recordings of two guitarists making sounds you wouldn't think would come out of a guitar. Psychic TV with Genesis P-Orridge was cool. Pink Floyd who supposedly didn't do drugs was way out there. The song " Heardy Geardy Man " redone by the Butthole Surfers is one hell of a trip. Donovan was on to something or should I say " on something ". And don't forget " The Legendary Pink Dots ", they played some wierd stuff too. Rush has some cool parts in some of their older stuff, Chimes and wind with wood blocks. Really cool. Everyone you all have mentioned are also close to my psychedelic heart too.
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Posted : Aug 10, 2007 03:46
Once being already a grown up I discovered how beautifully psychedelic were the Eagles with "Hotel California".
Not sure if worth mentioning 100th time, though.
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Donovan was on to something or should I say " on something ".
Hey, I was at a concert of Donovan quite recently, btw. He resembles Dylan in a way. The concert was great, there were like 5 or 7 musicians he brought with him from the UK. Like a little strings orchestra - alto, cello, violins, contrabase, etc. Not sure why he was "on to something". The guy is like 50 years old now, I think, or even more. Maybe at the time of writing his songs he was, who knows... But I doubt that.
But how gorgeous the concert was. A lot of things yet to discover.-- rewarp reality
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Posted : Aug 10, 2007 06:17
The problem though is beyond Hakim Bey's spoken word album, to me Laswell/axiom has always been doing stuff 10 years behind the times as far "progressive".
Every decade has alot of interesting stuff. I love YES, but not because they were doing something so out there, i like them because they were doing something somewhat different but still had great song writing.
With The Wire mag in this/last decade its not hard to find "out there" music, its hard to find "out there" music that isnt a huge pile of shit with no musicality.
Even more popular current stuff, Dream Theater kicks YES all over the map but the songs fucking blow.
I'm actually pretty pumped to see where Posford can take this idea of a jam band with vocals, if anyone can do something interesting in this context surely he can, he has the musicality obviously. I hate the dead, hate phish but i liked this song. I was shocked that the writting was actually pretty damn good. I hope he never looks back, if anyone has done everything they can possibly do in the psy context its Simon.
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Posted : Aug 10, 2007 06:27
also ocelot,
my response to what you said about rock was way too harsh, i think your last album was the most intense pystrance album i've ever heard but i think thats what pissed me off so much, knowing you said that.
the only more intense stuff i've heard than your last album is from the rock group Meshuggah, pyschedelic harsh machine ornette coleman stuff.
Or find Tool's 10,000 Days (Wings Pt 2) if you want to hear something that isnt bullshit blues influenced. Thats the most beautifully pyschedelic and emotionally intense song i've ever heard, by a "rock band" no less.
Or wait for Tool's singers side project album that comes out in october, hahahaha.
Puscifer is actually the lead singers electronic side project but this the best country song ever made, hahah.
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Posted : Aug 10, 2007 10:30
before Tool, there were The Swans.. not just visceral and psychedelic, but also very poetic and profound.. and very depressing too.
but that's off topic. ..it's just another party..
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Posted : Aug 13, 2007 17:14
@ Rewarpster; I take it you never heard the Butthole Surfers remix of Donovan's " Heardy Geardy Man ". It's so far out there, it will almost scare you while tripping.
