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Is minimal dead?

Goblim
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Posted : Dec 21, 2003 18:37
Hello!
I wonder if minimal is dead? I'm no expert at this style... but I never hear it at parties, and see no releases with this...

Shiva Chandras latest album was pretty minimal, but not at all as much as Auricular and Gecko imo.

Well is it still being made any minimal? Btw I also want to know some some similar artists like Shiva Chandra. plz write if you want.
thx           Ut ameris, amabilis esto.
timsensient
Sensient

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Posted : Dec 22, 2003 01:02
Check Zenon Records "Eyes Rolling"...my new label, first release is all dark, weird minimal...no cheese. I am writing some minimal trax still...even though i know it has such a slim chance of actually being released, i dont care...i want to write the style i love! One or two trax from my album are maybe similar to shiva chandra minimal also. Sorry for blatant promotion but im passionate about this style

Luiz Paulo
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Posted : Dec 22, 2003 01:26
minimal was soooo big back in 2001, but it kinda bored most of the scene (not because it is inherently bad - nothing is actually) because there was too much of it (kinda like israeli full on today).

eventually even Iboga (the grandaddy's of the style) moved on to lighter sounds (check their last comp 'FX').

the progressive scene got less dark, a little more melodic, and the influences of house and tribalistic sounds (Son Kite and Ticon being the main forces behind that) were too strong to fight

so eventually minimal appeared less and less in releases. nowadays i associate the style mostly with the swiss guys (the knives as zombi calls them)

well at least that's how i see it hehehe           the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist....
Noise Poison Records
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Posted : Dec 22, 2003 07:44
mostly agree with Luiz....
my personal opinion to this is, that this sound is much easier to create than a psychedelic full on monster....it depends on equipement and for sure musical skills......I just allege that real psychedelic music belongs to the real musicians.....minimal stuff nearly everybody could create has a computer at home !.......so my opinion is...there was a big hype and it takes off.......cause its transient.....

to make it short....

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JimmyThomsen_(Jin)


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Posted : Dec 22, 2003 08:19
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On 2003-12-22 07:44, ILSE wrote:
minimal stuff nearly everybody could create has a computer at home !.......



hehe
so true man!

I think it that style became too much minimal
therefor it become very boring with no colors.

I think the "full on" style has developed hardly with wonderfull quality and wonderfull melodies.
as sound engineer I find lots of great psytrance (full on...whatever you call this style) artists who make real quality music with lots of lines and this is so great for the psytrance genre!

lots of new audience will like this genre soon!
lets hope psytrance will get huger favor than rap (in my dreams hehe)
can you imagine this happened?!
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timsensient
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Posted : Dec 22, 2003 10:53
i beleive good minimal could be harder to write than full on. To be able to keep the listeners interest with only a handful of sounds takes great skill. More skill than layer after layer after layer of synth and sound fx. I also find minimal to be very psychadelic. I love to be able to analyze each sound to a minute degree - made so much easier by the space seperating each sound. Dark minimal such as shiva chandra i personally find extremely challenging and hmmm (im sick of the word "psychadelic").....um...i find it psychologically challenging. Not much dark minimal around these days though, which really sux for me but we had this discussion before i think...

As for full on psy being the sole domain of the real musician...not true. ONe example is Praecox - probably the most musically intricate psy ive ever heard, but still in quite minimal style
Kaz
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Posted : Dec 22, 2003 14:35
Stop living in the past! Full-on is better than old music! Old music was nice then but it sucks now! Goa is dead, psytrance is dead, minimal is dead, let's hope progressive dies too!!!!!!!! HOORAY FOR FULL-ON!!!!

... now seriously - a good minimal track is not easy to make, that's why out of all the 2001 minimal wave, only 3-4 albums are still considered classics. If anyone thinks that making an album like Shiva Chandra's Gecko is easy, then how come no one other than Shiva Chandra did a minimal album that deep? If it's so easy, why do we have a zillion new acts sounding so much like Astrix and GMS while barely anyone is making droning minimal? Is the style really worse? Or is it that maybe making a minimal track sound GOOD is a hard thing after all?

The 2001 fassion has passed, yes. But minimal is more than making a groovy bassline and a slick set of percussion. It's easy to make something basic in the style but near-impossible to make something that people will give more than one listen to - just as in full-on the amounts of tracks that sound like 'same shit, different producer' are the vast majority.

Back to the topic - minimal is not fassionable at the moment, so less people are making it. The 'big' artists of 2001 have moved to brighter, happier realms (Shiva Chandra, XV Killist, Son Kite and the such), and no one has stepped up to replace them.          http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
traveller
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Posted : Dec 22, 2003 14:46
i'm hearing the hallucinogen vs eat static thingy might bring minimal back..

i hope it's a rumour..           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
- Larry Niven
Drope


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Posted : Dec 22, 2003 15:02
haha Traveller, me too...

I think we should stop killing the music... Thatīs all, minimal is not my cup of tea... ok. But itīs not 'dead'... as isnīt goa...

Long live every music style and subgenre!!!

ps: plur isnīt dead either
black_dew
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Posted : Dec 22, 2003 15:51
Minimal is dead ?!
oh man !
its about time !!!
i hope its true !!!

[imo]


really didnt like the minimal genre, its so empty and simple, so unmusical and uninteresting. [imo again ]
slomi
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Posted : Dec 22, 2003 16:31

this topic is so evil

i bet the minimal artists feel bad when they read this.           " You were born original... Don't die a copy.. "
- Some dude with a beard
Always remember:
Half of the cup is full...And the other half is on its way up...
Zombi
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Posted : Dec 22, 2003 16:50
xv kilist, sonic cube, native radio and sensient just few names that released minimal albums in last months.
          Believe your soul !
D1SCO
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Posted : Dec 22, 2003 17:07
It's for sure not dead...... and it will never die!

and guys stop bugging on other styles...


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PLUR
aje
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Posted : Dec 22, 2003 17:21
Zombi, those albums you mention are progressive i think, not the typical 2000-2001 dry minimal.

As others have mentioned above, most minimal artists became more tribal and added more atmosphere and they went housey, which is fine with me:-)

Another thing, if you listen to old minimal releases, most of them have more 'soul' than all those clinically dead full-on releases one is being bombarded with these days.           Check out my album: http://www.ektoplazm.com/free-music/gay-satanic-hippie-tiefenrausch
Zombi
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Posted : Dec 22, 2003 17:33
well aje, its sure not 2001 sound, but who want to hear 2001 in 2004 ??:)'
minimal dont have to be dry or boring, lets progress:)           Believe your soul !
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