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Ellon
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Posted : May 30, 2008 21:31
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 30, 2008 22:28
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Maybe its varies geographically.......but here in UK, especially London, it is very mainstream.......and the parties are now pants as a result.
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Posted : May 31, 2008 00:00
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On 2008-05-30 20:18, Psytracked wrote:
psy never got mainstream? Come out of your cave dear friend.
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didn't you work in the RIAA?
check out the annual consumer Profile Chart bases on their consumer purchasing trend for 2007
http://76.74.24.142/44510E63-7B5E-5F42-DA74-349B51EDCE0F.pdf
we definitely have diferent opinions on what's maisntream, but one thing you might do is go here :
http://www.juno.co.uk/
choose best seller charts / all (meaning all genres) , strech your search to the limit, items per page - 500, titles sold - all
and let me know how many psy-trance music you find, please
you can even do more, put titles sold this week, or in six week, knock yourself out.
If you find any, come back to the cavewman with your info.
I dare you to find ANY psy-trance release, and i'm not mentioning,(and i still have my doubts that you could find) psy related like prog-house or tech/house minimal  |
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 31, 2008 00:08
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Did I actually say I worked for the RIAA? which incidentally covers the US.
Do your own dirty work thank you......and I have to say your choice in online record shops sucks.
But hey Psy is more underground than ever....lol.......and I have to ask.......are sales figures what determines whether the scene is underground or mainstream?
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Spasm
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Posted : May 31, 2008 00:55
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temper temper
didn't you jut say:
"at least with the mainstream I can actually check figures for myself."
so what are you wasting my time for? mister?
weren't you a freelancer for RIAA, like you so proudly said to the caveman here?
So because you go to some parties in the UK, and all your friends like and talk about psy, out of the blue it becomes mainstream??
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you tell me mr RIAA freelancer, you're the mainstream expert.
but caveman here will help you out, that's how nice of a caveman i am:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mainstream_(terminology)
Mainstream is, generally, the common current of thought of the majority. It is a term most often applied in the arts (i.e., music, literature, and performance). This includes:
* something that is ordinary or usual;
* something that is familiar to the masses;
* something that is available to the general public.
As such, the mainstream includes all popular culture, typically disseminated by mass media.
last time i checked psy-trance was NOT, ordinary or usual, was NOT familiar to the masses or available to the general public, and NOT typically disseminated by mass media, and its far from being a popular culture.
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 31, 2008 01:35
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Posted : May 31, 2008 01:45
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at last we agree on something |
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 31, 2008 01:48
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May I suggest you re-read my posts....and stop making shit up, about me......its pretty lame.
Just so you know in which context I use mainstream, after all context is everything my dear.....commercial........motivation....money.
Ordinary or usual? please..........psy-trance has become just that............and here in the UK it is available to the general public.!?!?
Come on man lets keep things in perspective.....is it black and white? ......did I say it was the new pop music? The UK has witnessed many underground dance scenes in the last 3 decades.........When the records (CDs now) make it into HMV (you might want to read up on "The Long Tail") then it is fair to say that some mainstream/commercial success has been gained.
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Posted : May 31, 2008 02:19
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i didn't say anything about you personally that you didn't said it yourself, but i agree that's not interesting, offtopic and was not my intention in the first place, but it bothers me when someone tells me to get out of my cave in order to explain an idea.
What i think, is that maybe you have an idea of the scene that is not correct, or in other words you think its greater then it actually is, globally thinking.
Sure there are some countries like Israel, were this particular style of music went mainstream (from the definition) for some years, but it doesn't make it mainstream when you look at the big picture.
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sure, but as for commercial success the best days are over.
It was much better until 2001, that was what i was trying to say, and not only on money, but also on music, parties and even the scene itself was more interesting imo.
And here is were probably we disagree, but this is honestly what i think.
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 31, 2008 02:32
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We all have a distorted view of reality....what makes you think yours is the correct one?
My view is from here in the UK and some of the festivals around europe.......2001........no psy CDs in HMV...........we can all come up with ways to measure the success but both yours and mine are based on assumptions....educated guesses at best.
do I really have to quote myself and then you to show where you have misrepresented me?
I do not question that the best days of commercial success are over.......though I don't like the word success as really it was more of a smash and grab....and the scene is in a bit of a mess now, as a result.
I think it is time to take stock and look to the future.
What do we as a community want.......how can we avoid the pitfalls of being pimped by a minority who wish to cash in on the creative output of the scene?
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Posted : May 31, 2008 17:43
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i personally think that labels and artists have that in mind always. It would be unwise not to have perspective. As for the music and artists i personally enjoy coming out of this scene, a lot has changed, and most of it i appreciate and support.
So i dont think there is a standstill in my choices in music, au contraire.
I find most projects that i respect and support exploring a line of music and an idea of party and reunion that i at this moment think of as the wisest.
Basically, making music that twists your pre-conveiced basic dance music formulae, and still be enjoyable by a majority of people, making it hard to put a tag on it, or on the people that enjoy it.
Imo fast night music cant do this, because its too specific, and i thing like most people say in here, "some people cant handle it", well ok that's true most people cant "handle" it, because imo its just targeted for certain number of peole, that happen to enjoy it, and want it to remain "their thing".
And please i dont want to go back to gerne discussion, this is just my opinion.
Going a couple of steps back on the mainstream issue, ok, night music seems to want to go deeper underground, to be accessible only to the hard-core psy comunitty, as the slower "more minimal" project thrive for bigger audiences and maybe for a wider public that doesn't even know much of the psychedelic movement.
this causes friction.
I think this is the core of the problem these days.
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 31, 2008 18:27
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I think we should just do away with the labels....technology means this is actually possible.....A new model for distribution is available............and for the Psy scene specifically.......party organisers only have DJs and Artists who play for love and not money...........and as party goers into the Psy scene we only go to those parties.
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Ellon
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Posted : May 31, 2008 19:36
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 31, 2008 20:16
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The digital age means we don't need distributors.........with the manufacturing of atomic formats then yes you need a distributer and possibly a record company who effectively act as a bank and handle PR. Production costs for digital (non atomic) only include mastering and maybe producer/mix engineer for certain artists.......But for psy, self produced and mixed and often self mastering (though I am not for this,mute point) then the real issue is PR.....you can hire someone for this or do it yourself.
As an artist you can give your music away or charge whatever you like.
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 31, 2008 20:22
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We may not be able to change the social/political systems of the world in one generation but we sure as hell can get our own house in order.
Step back for a moment, away from the scene.
There is a way.
It is time ladies and gentlemen.
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