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Is a large festival possible in the U.S???
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Satlanny
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Posted : Jan 25, 2004 15:46
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spliffnik...
i don't know what you think i mean. but i mean that the U.S people as a whole. obviously there are exceptions. are people totally controled by social standards.
i have lived in both israel and the US and am a son to both an american and israeli. i have american and israeli friends.
in israel the mindset is very open-minded in alot aspects. espesially what you do in life, how you dress, the music you listen to and so on...
in the US, it's like you said. every group has a wall around it. they have their music, dress code, way they act, etc... it's as if a guy who likes rap, isn't aloud by "group" rules to like rock as well...
another way americans are totally narrow minded is that an american has his entire life planned ahead of time. at 18 they go streight to college. at 22 they have to find a job and thats pretty much it, life as a grown-up beggins. you'll never hear an american guy say at 22 after college, "i think i'll work for a while at a low end job, make abit of money and go relax in india until i feel it's time for me to become serious about my life or find what it is that really interest's me". that would be a sin in the US. and this after i was visiting a friend who is a senior in college a few weeks ago and talked to plenty of college kids. they all say to me that i'm so lucky that i can live this way, but they'll never do the same, although i have had some success convincing some guy's not to rush into life...
so spliffnik...thats what i mean by closed minded, socialy controled americans. i was the same once too, then i meet the right people and they changed my mindset. |
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Satlanny
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Posted : Jan 25, 2004 16:15
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nokeyaah...
the post wasn't just about a festival. it is about discussing the idea of such a festival and about the american trance scene as a whole... |
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jan 25, 2004 16:16
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yes, we are all sheep. We all do the same thing, listen to the same music, dress the same way, and vote for George W. Bush. Amen.
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Posted : Jan 25, 2004 18:04
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On 2004-01-25 15:48, NoKeyAah wrote:
gosh from having festival to??????
wonder what the mods here are upto
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mods are here. i personally like this discussion, it is interesting whether its on topic or not.
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spliffnik
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Posted : Jan 25, 2004 18:42
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I agree, many people do have this way of thinking that at certain ages you must do this, and that.... I see it, and was told that too. But I did not follow that path, I got out of school and I work a job that is certainly not going to be my career, and I came to Japan to have fun and live. I had my reasons to go to Japan as you had yours to go to India.
But this is the same everywhere in the world, there are always social pressures to live a certain way, even in Israel. I can't decide if that is more ''closed minded'' or just ''unconscious'', which I define as two different things. Close minded is not allowing your mind to open to new things, and unconscious means sleepwalking thru life, not really thinking about why we do the things we do.
But anyway I was noticing a lot of disturbing comments so I commented on it myself. I know you do not think ALL Americans are whatever, but man sentences like that should be articulated, or people will stop listening to what you say.
But enough of that, I am more interested in discussing the possibilities of the psychedlic cultures fusing together. What do you guys think? WHY are we so afriad to share our culture and tear down these walls we have created to separate us from people who we really should be open to?
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furthur
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Posted : Jan 25, 2004 19:10
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Maybe I am wrong, but if there was a festival that was drawing 10000 people, I would think very long before attending it, it would have to have all my favorite artists to finally attract me. I agrre we should knock the "walls" down and we should get more people involved, but smaller festivals are just so much warmer, more intimate and fun. My 2 pfennings worth.
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bluespectralmonkey
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Posted : Jan 25, 2004 20:53
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Harmonicconvergencefest.com had its 2nd year here in North Carolina... there were nearly 2000 in attendance and the headlining act was Sound Tribe Sector 9. now if there was ever a fan base ready to slip right into some shpongle.... i dont know what to do with them tho.
KRI and i Played this festival the past 2 years and this year we had a long timeslot on the 2nd stage, friday night at 4am... when we started there were 600 people and from what i could see with the stage lights in my eyes, the hippies were dancing. by 8am though, there were maybe 20 of em left and that was probably 10 of our friends and 10 random stragglers. its hard for me to think of having a huge psy crowd... i bet if you put all the trancers in the country together you could have a monster party. but since the damn land is too big, thats just not feasible.
we here in nc drive 9+ hrs to get to gaian mind festival. its 12 hrs to NYC. so you get an idea of how far we must travel.... pretty much anywhere you put it is going to require people who arent in the immediate area to travel this far at least. east coast people just dont up and go over to the west coast without much planning..... so its pretty much one or the other. the only problem with the east coast is that there arent as many trancers... theres NYC, boston, NC, philly, and small* families in pittsburgh, DC/baltimore, Atlanta, but those places are all so far apart!!!!
now i dont know if america will ever catch on and psy becoming mainstream? im not sure i want that.
a big psy fest in USA would be 2000 people. that limits what you can spend on live acts, sound, etc. talk to gaian mind, they have lost money both years.
i think it would be great to do a psy fest with all US djs and live acts. to support the us psy movement !
attendance facts: AS ONE fest in Oregon (with talamasca headlining, also psychoid, ocelot etc.) had 700.
Gaian Mind (hux flux, magnetrixx) - 700
you could shoot for that and still have what american trancers might call a big party!
good luck and get in touch to get us samadhi boys on the lineup!!!!! deco too! |
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Demi
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Posted : Jan 26, 2004 07:11
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ZeRo
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Posted : Jan 26, 2004 08:15
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agreed mr spectralmonkey.
if we build it they will come
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Satlanny
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Posted : Jan 26, 2004 09:39
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i just want to thank everyone for giving such elaborate responce's.
i'm getting a very good idea of every aspect i asked about...
spliffnik...i think what you are talking about is interesting and should be explored deeper... |
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spliffnik
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Posted : Jan 26, 2004 12:18
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Yes Satlanny I think the grreatest potential lies in fusing with the other psychedelic cultures in the US. There are som many peeople in the US, and so many looking for something more. And financially it's a huge market too.
I want to tell you what I have heard sabout others exploring the US. TIP world had a huge plan to throw festivals a few years ago. Brahma was going to paint huge tents circus style, and throw big trance parties along with Phish. Phish all night, everyone spun out, and then in the morning GMS comes on. If the kids are willing to open to it, they would fall in love with it and from there everything would take off. But the promoters were not sure about it, and thier plan didnt take off.
So it will be difficult. But I think this is not only possible, but this is what is going to happen. What is necessary is communication, and people from both sides opening their hearts to each other. If we can connect and see that we really are together, this is going to happen, and what will happen is bigger than anything we can imagine. I believe that WE are here to do something big, and the whole trance story is a part of a BIG movement in human spirituality and compassion. The music and the people will change the world. The more I think about this, the more I believe it.
The potential that lies in uniting the psychedilc world is unimaginable. A festival like this would be something bigger than just trying to throw a good party. It will go down as one of the most significant events that started the greatest psychedlic revolution humans have ever seen. It is coming, I have no doubt about it.
Let me know if you need help! I am in Japan, but I would come help you do this and drop everything in an instant.
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Krod20
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Posted : Jan 26, 2004 20:28
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Large Festival in the US hmmmmm? it would take collectives from all over the country to make it happened and a prime location.
I dont see it working out. the scene in Cali has taking a dive down I mean it still has alot parties but the vibe is not the same what it used to be. and this is the mecca for psy in the US well I dont know if still is. |
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bluespectralmonkey
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Posted : Jan 29, 2004 19:06
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a secret ( we might have goa gil in the summer here in NC at a 900 acre private land ??! )
with that i dont care if its a big festival, as long as its happening.
will keep posted on this .... |
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Posted : Jan 29, 2004 19:51
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do we need a large festival? i think its a question that should be asked... we are living in a culture that pushes down our throat things we dont neccesairly need...
if it takes such a huge effort to make a festival that no organizer is sure they can economically survive... shouldnt alram signals go off to anyone who is trying to throw such a thing?
again, my question is: do we need this in the first place?
what bluespectralmonkey just hinted sounds alot more sensible to me.
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