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Is a large festival possible in the U.S???
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Localsky
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Posted : Jan 24, 2004 03:15
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There is not way you are drawing 10,000 people to a party/festival on the east coast. Even if you sold out the party with many top international djs (like Paul van Dyk, Paul Oakenfold) you still would not draw that many people. And if the festival is going to be strictly psytrance I would agree with someone's earlier guess of 1,000-2,000 people. The US doesn't have the disposition for electronic music and I don't think that will ever change.
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Satlanny
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Posted : Jan 24, 2004 03:15
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hey guy's lay of him...
he simply answered my question...
he's right too by the way, thats a pretty good idea if one wants to try and draw non-trance fan's into the scene for the first time...
i'm not saying i'm gonna do it...but if you were looking to educate people, to have them exposed to trance for the first time, thats an interesting way to do it... |
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Localsky
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Posted : Jan 24, 2004 03:27
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On 2004-01-24 03:15, Satlanny wrote:
hey guy's lay of him...
he simply answered my question...
he's right too by the way, thats a pretty good idea if one wants to try and draw non-trance fan's into the scene for the first time...
i'm not saying i'm gonna do it...but if you were looking to educate people, to have them exposed to trance for the first time, thats an interesting way to do it...
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You should be on a jam band forum then because at most only two thousand of the people at the festival will be there for psytrance. It would be a jam band festival but we all could pretend it was a trance festival.
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Satlanny
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Posted : Jan 24, 2004 04:08
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dude, calm down...
all i said is that i agree with what zero said about drawing a non-trance crowd and having them hear trance for the first time aswell...
obviously your right. a festival with rock bands that the mejority of people there aren't there for the trance isn't a trance festival... |
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dopey576
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Posted : Jan 24, 2004 06:38
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ive been living in the US for over 2 years in a college environment and have tried SOOO hard to get these jam band hippsters into the trance. i think that they would HATE to hear trance at a rock show. however on going for a jam band show i hear that there is also alot of energy and i dont see why this can't happen with trance. as for the festival i think its a great idea. at burning man last year all i heard was electronic music EVERYWHERE. from d'n'b - prog - psy... i didnt see a single band. i just dont understand why these freaks wouldnt get together for a big festival.
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ZeRo
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Posted : Jan 24, 2004 12:46
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Hey localsky. i was not suggesting a jamband festival with some trance i was suggesting a trance festival with a few electronically leaning jambands, maybe some downtempo techno as well.
maybe that wouldnt draw 10000 but if advertised correctly i think it would draw ppl interested in seeing something new. creative, artistic, mind expansive ppl. music will be central but it will also serve as a hub for exhibiting art and an oasis of self expression.
this is my ideal festival.
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spliffnik
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Posted : Jan 24, 2004 14:16
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Yes if you want BIG festival you will need some mainstream acts, sort of like Coachella (I stress the SORT OF part). You will NEVER get 10000 people for a psy trance event, not that many trancers and also American trancers dont like to pay large amount of money for trance parties....
The bottom line is that the trance market is not mature enough. Believe me if 10000 people would come to a large party TIP.World would have done it already.. they go around the world throwing massive trance 'concerts' and without doubt they have explored the US market...
Sometime or another, trance will become more mainstream in the US too. It is already that way in many parts of the world... doesnt really matter if you agree with it or not, this is reality... if there is demand, someone will suplly it. When you get to that level, it becomes business...
Right now there is not that demand in the US. SO you will need to team up with other genres who can at least harmonize with the trance ppl, like String Cheese Incident... who recently put out an album with Youth from Dragonfly, and have been really exploring the trance sound....(and have a HUGE following!
And I agree many of these followers share the same or similar outlook as trancers, many go to both! )
Big festivals equals business. That is the reality. It is about money, cuz no one is going to organize a huge party for free when they have to fly out artists, rent a big venue and sound system and visuals and deco. Many people are in denial about this in the US, but this is how it is in many parts of the world.
So dont expect this large festival (if it happens) to be underground, carrying great vibes with not a single bad element....
This is not the way I like it either! I am only sharing what I see with my eyes.
I try to continue doing things the way I believe, but I cant stop whats happening already.
But I think it is good to throw a huge festival, and introduce some people who are open to it.
For me, trance is like sunlight- it is free and open to all who want to recieve it. Sure small parties are good, but it is also important to share the message with as many people as possible- that is how we change the communities we live in! Lets not turn this into some secretive elitist society people..... or else you would have never found it either!!!
I dont think it is such a big tragedy to share a stage with other genres of music. Burning Man is not all trance, but it is still the greatest festival on earth and if you go there for the trance you can certainly get your share of it!
Bole! spliffnik
Im sure I touched a lot of nerves, and I used to think that way too, until I saw what I saw. The US trance scene is like a small fishbowl, unpolluted and pure. In many ways that is wonderful, but I dont think that will last forever....
Change is always for the better. It is going to happen whether we like it or not, so when it comes, let us embrace it with joy and acceptance.......
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spliffnik
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Posted : Jan 24, 2004 14:17
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But California is definitely the place to do it! |
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Localsky
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Posted : Jan 25, 2004 01:51
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Hi Zero. Let me explain myself, I hope I did not come off the wrong way. I just get frustrated when people make the connection between the trance scene and the jam band scene. People sometimes say how much they are alike and how much the people have in common with one another. But what do they really have in common? That they both like psychedelic drugs? Maybe a couple other parellels? I don’t think jam band music and trance music could be more different. If you look at the people as a whole, I don’t think they could be more different either. I don’t know maybe it is just the way that I look at the trance scene; very progressive and open minded. While the people I have talked to that are into jam band music claim to be opened minded and progressive, they are actually doing nothing new and seem really closed minded. They are just following the steps of people 40 years ago. Well, this is just my opinion and I do not mean to offend anyone. But I hope this explains why I would never want to see the two scenes together.
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ZeRo
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Posted : Jan 25, 2004 02:45
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good pts man. . .i would have to agree with you on that. jam band music in general is not very good and the ppl are even worse(for the most part).
earlier i was just answering his question as to hosuch a festival could be possible at this pt in time.
but the more i think about it the more i realize i dont really want to be associated with the jam band scene. and no i dont want to be in a jamband forum  if that ever happens it means i took a little too much. . .
peace man.
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jan 25, 2004 04:02
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people do shell out $200 and more to go to Burningman for a week. And that's without food, water, shelter, or druqks. And a -LOT- of burners like trance, though they might not pay to go to a proper trance-only party for three days.
Perhaps a more artsy-type festival with some other attractions, like maybe art installations, a weird circus or SRL show would attract a lot of psychedelic ppls who might not otherwise come to a trance party. But that's a West Coast thing, purely. 
personally, I'd love to see that happen... a psychedelic circus..  |
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Satlanny
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Posted : Jan 25, 2004 11:38
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Localsky...
i couldn't agree more about the differences in the type of people we are from the others.
i guess that is pretty much trance's problem with the US... trance is for open-minded people who just go with the flow. americans know nothing about flowing with life. having just come from israel where every 21 year old gets out of the army and just flow's with life, i get alot of comments from americans about how can i say that i don't know when and if i'm going to college. that a person should do what makes him happy and all that stuff. all american's believe in college at 18 and then the minute your out, run and get a job. they have no open mind and i guess that goes over to the music aswell... |
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spliffnik
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Posted : Jan 25, 2004 13:18
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Wow the stuff you guys are saying really blow me away!
Let me first point out what I saw here..
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While the people I have talked to that are into jam band music claim to be opened minded and progressive, they are actually doing nothing new and seem really closed minded. They are just following the steps of people 40 years ago.
Wow. Let me tell you the most obvious thing we have in common. We are CONSCIOUS PEOPLE. We are fed up with the bullshit that the American machine feeds us. Most of us don't give a shit what really happens in government, and none of us care what they try to tell us. We are searching for something more than the world of material goods that we are told is the way to live life. So we go out, find our own channels to release these frustrations, and free our spirits by listening to music, dancing, and connecting with like- minded people.
Do you know why it is impossible to have a big trance festival? Because WE- the population that is fed up with the bullshit- are not united. There was a time in the 60s when America had it right- when all people came together- regardless of who we were. People did not care what clothing fashion people subsribed to, what music they liked best, or any other details. Woodstock was a huge festival attended by lots of normal, regular people, and that was maybe the last timed WE all came together.
Now there are these 'groups'- ravers, tweakers, gangsters, trancers, hippies, rockers, punks- on and on. We have an obsession with building a wall around us, then judging all other groups to be inferior, and cease to communicate with them without some preconcieved schemas or just not communicate at all. WHAT is the big fucking crime in breaking these walls and interacting with 'other' genres? Aren't most of us just seeking the same thing anyway? How we choose our channel (trance, raggae, etc.) to release these energies depend on our past experiences and our social context. But we are no different from any other souls seeking what we strive to seek.
If there was ever a day when we could all just see through the outer shells and see, truly see each other's souls and our dreams- that is when a revolution begins. Unless we stop insisting we are the only ones in the world who see the Light and not give anybody a chance, this will never happen.
Some of us claim to be open minded and progressive, then in the next sentence we label an ENTIRE group of people as 'close minded' and implying they are somehow inferior.
Man, we have missed the point. But this is how our society has conditioned us to think. Unless we REALLY open our eyesthe change we seek will never come and the psychedelic culture will never progress.
The truth is that there are MANY MANY conscious minds in the jam band scene, as well as many other scenes. Even rap/hip hop, which some of us abhorr, has an incredible amount of conscious people. I would even go as far as saying that some hip hop out there is some of the most conscious music I have heard. The potential that the fusion of trance and jam bands offer is beyond our imagination. If we as 'groups', as we are forced to identify, can come together, I don't think any of us can imagine what will happen next.
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'While the people I have talked to that are into jam band music claim to be opened minded and progressive, they are actually doing nothing new and seem really closed minded. They are just following the steps of people 40 years ago. '
- let me remind you they are following in the footsteps and helping continue the most prolific and conscious culture the world has ever witnessed. That was truly a psychedelic revolution that changed the world, and if we weren't so divided this could be the path we walk, or shall I say dance to.
So to the promoter who was thinking about doing this festival- I say do it. And bring as many people as you can that are open to recieve it. Join with Phish, join with String Cheese. Join with everyone! If you really want to do something different, and make change in a country so opressed by their government that many of us are literally squirming to become freed of it- then throw this festival. If people decide to close themselves off to this, that is their loss. They will have to wait , and with time they too will see the Light. But WE- the ones iwth our eyes open- will be there. Hell give me an email, I will come to help!!!
Boom! to the entire psychedlic world- may we come together and take the revolution to the Next Level.
-Spliffnik
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spliffnik
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Posted : Jan 25, 2004 13:23
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and the quote-
''americans know nothing about flowing with life.''
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We must be careful about what we say, people. Words can be very powerful, and many people can interpret what you say in the wrong way. I know this is not what you mean, Satlanny, but I cannot help notice the outrageousness of this comment. |
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