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Identity & amalgamation of the Indian Psytrance sound...
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Zman
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Posted : Dec 20, 2007 01:15
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Ok so this is a topic that is somewhat a sequence to the "Producers Guild" thread opened sometime back.
The Hungarians have done it...So have the Russians...and the Isreali...the Danish...and the Swedes & the Greek and practically every other country that has a decently recognizable psytrance community & culture (even though its a bit scarce in India).
To enable myself to express my point clearly i will relate specifically to the Night time psytrance genre...so if you are a full-on producer/lover etc. you can draw up parallels.
A lot of the country's i mentioned above seem to have their own sense of unique identity (even though it has slowly started changing) that seems to be coming from the vibe, sound & style being churned out of that country...Denmark is known for its late morning sunlight scorchers  & Sweden is known for its forest fairytales.. The Israeli's are known for the cheese (IMO) & Greek & Hungarians are known for their night time oriented sound...
So what is the Indian psytrance sound collective characterized by (apart from the infamous India section hehe)? There is no doubt that there is some raw talent in this country, but is there a lack of communication bridges between producers just for the sake of free exchange of ideas and thoughts? Why doesn't India have a characteristic "sound" that gives us a unique audio anatomy of our own?
For example we have artists such as:
Silent Horror
Detonatik
The Vipers
White Wizard
Spiral
Adi
Phrike
etc etc.
What if you guys got into a chain of communication, and began to create a trademark India sound - something like the budding Hungarian scene has done... Diversity WITHIN Unity is power.. and would certainly create a stronger image for this country's Psytrance scene in terms of global recognition.. and increased awareness & recognition would also mean those artists living of this scene could probably get more exposure & opportunities to play globally & outside their present milieu...
Thoughts are welcome.
Shoot 
BooM 
ps - by no means am i suggesting purely formula based music, it can be as limitless as the mind itself |
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Hex Osirus
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Posted : Dec 20, 2007 04:05
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Honestly i was just talking with some mates bout this the other day and the conclusion was that Indias current roster of artists are all boring,lifeless and un-original psy. There is currently noone that i know and have heard who is producing interesting, innovative and unique music. Ok maybe everyone is still kinda beginning but i dont even see any artistic direction that is not trying to be "dark" and KIlla" or trying to be like some other artist. Psychedelic music is supposed to be an expression of your own self. Unique to YOU and your own interpretations of what is "psychedelic", your own unique story. Right now all i see is artists trying to be like their idols. I mean obviously we are all influenced by the things we hear and like but then we should also try and innovate. Come on people dig a little deeper!!!! Lets spiral out into the unknown and unheard!!!!
Sorry to put down all the artists but this is honestly what I and many others feel.....
we can keep going down this direction and there will always be the fans saying ahhhhh full power!! Nice one!!! but then we will never be up there with the trance greats.
I prefer to make music for myself first and the crowd second.
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mk47
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Posted : Dec 20, 2007 07:18
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in india is only just starting .. i don't think there is an `indian` psysound just yet .. and i doubt ther`l ever be .. even globally , those boundaries started to dissolve couple years ago .. there is good prog in sweden (always has been?) , suomi style in israel , fullon/prog in russia .. etc
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aXis
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Posted : Dec 20, 2007 07:27
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hmmm i think i can clearly make out indian sounds ... it will take time but sure u will be able to as well 
But hmm , i think most of the other countries whn they clasify their own sound are riskin new talents , as the new talents wud rather try to do their own countries sound rather than doing something original . ... Well anyways , i hope in that case none of us sound like each other . Hehehe .
n more over , India is probably the only country where the musicians learnt on their own and seperately. They dont live on one street like other country's artists.
Anddd finally , If there is one indian sound , then there will be another indian sound and the forum will become a battle ground for - how is ur sound better than mine  ( on the lines of tumhari kameez meri kameez se safed kaise ) .
somewere i read abt india - unity in diversity . LOLOL . didnt know thy were tlakin abt psytrance . |
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squirm
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Posted : Dec 20, 2007 08:37
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havent really thought of an 'indian sound'. its a cool idea and definitely worth giving some thought to. id agree with hex oxiris in saying that we seem to lack a certain uniqueness to the music indian artists are putting up. in the sense that it does kind of sound like us trying to follow in the steps of our idols which is not a bad thing, and im sure things will change. i think its too early for an indian sound to truely take form. the artists who have reached the stage of releasing music, who basically represent the indian sound in a way, are so spread out that its kind of difficult to create a characteristic sound. like you need to find some common ground in influences or inspiration. maybe a few more years down the line with more acts coming to forefront we might see a unique sound for india.
b0m,
angad
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hoping to see some more twilight acts from home
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cacofonix
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Posted : Dec 20, 2007 08:45
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i guess we still have a fragmented mindset...its still in its initial stages and will take some more time to develop an identity. Especially this year has seen birth of several new artists....so first these minds have to find their own identity first and then develop a universal identity. More minds r gathering on the highway and soon they will all meet. Atleast we r heading the right way...tat is upwards. nice thread btw. 
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aXis
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Posted : Dec 20, 2007 10:08
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oh please no1 is trying to do ape out ' idols ' ... I guess thats wat thy do in other countries and end up haveing the ' common' sound.
I guess there is no common sound , but there are unique sounds to a project. Do not be sooooo judgemental prior hearing some1 play a set.
And none of us indians have had released like over 2 -3 years continuously to have such topics at the first place.
I dont know how many of u get this - but most indian artists are trully psychedelic... no cheese no fluff . music frm the fucking soul. I guess thats more than the SOUND i want 
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Yellow Warrior
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Posted : Dec 20, 2007 11:39
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Maybe not having an "Indian sound" is also a good thing? 
They way i look at it - The reason Israeli's (the same with any other nation) have their own sound is because of one or two artists who had great success with their sound. The rest, well most of them started to follow them and tried to achieve that success with the same sounds, same techniques, formulae etc.... so, in the end there was no innovation, just followers, albeit some amazing ones!
Anyway, we have some aweosome producers coming along in India. One guy i am really excited for is Erebus.
Lucky for me i get hear some of his tunes and i really hope he can get his stuff out to as many people as possible. He makes music for all the right reasons and i think its reflected in the music itself.
Alles Gute für die Zukunft bro..... (google ki Jai!)
Good Luck to all the other seasoned and up coming producers, Keep doing your thing guys and don't give up!! Remember, the scene survives because of you, if there were no musicicans, then no music, no dancing, no chillummin...sorry chilling no nothing.....
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*neon nymph*
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Posted : Dec 20, 2007 11:59
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On 2007-12-20 11:39, Yellow Warrior wrote:
One guy i am really excited for is Erebus.
Lucky for me i get hear some of his tunes and i really hope he can get his stuff out to as many people as possible. He makes music for all the right reasons and i think its reflected in the music itself.
Alles Gute für die Zukunft bro..... (google ki Jai!)
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Zman
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Posted : Dec 20, 2007 13:12
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On 2007-12-20 11:59, *neon nymph* wrote:
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On 2007-12-20 11:39, Yellow Warrior wrote:
One guy i am really excited for is Erebus.
Lucky for me i get hear some of his tunes and i really hope he can get his stuff out to as many people as possible. He makes music for all the right reasons and i think its reflected in the music itself.
Alles Gute für die Zukunft bro..... (google ki Jai!)
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Hehe B rules! yummy sounds & tight production  keep it up hommie
Also another such case is Jigar - Silent Horror; doing it purely out of his heart. And hes gone the furthest too =) |
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Cosmic Oneness
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Posted : Dec 21, 2007 00:15
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Amalgamation of the Indian psytrance sound and purely from the dark psy perspective ?  Sounds contradictory when you label the Israeli sound cheesy, yet talk of keeping the musical style limitless !
Why draw parallels and create more divisions of this already divided community ??? 
Cheesy Full On or 150+ BPM Dark Rubbish are mere interpretations of the closed minded ! It's all good ! Different styles, but sure does make you dance ! 
IT'S ALL PSYCHEDELIC MUSIC ! 
What about ChillOut ? 
" All is One "
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illusions
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Posted : Dec 21, 2007 13:15
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On 2007-12-20 11:39, Yellow Warrior wrote:
Maybe not having an "Indian sound" is also a good thing?
They way i look at it - The reason Israeli's (the same with any other nation) have their own sound is because of one or two artists who had great success with their sound. The rest, well most of them started to follow them and tried to achieve that success with the same sounds, same techniques, formulae etc.... so, in the end there was no innovation, just followers, albeit some amazing ones!
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I completely agree with you here Yellow Warrior. The so called 'Israeli Cheese' was started by some of the bigger artists there that were pioneers of fullon at that time (Astrix, Alien Project, etc.. etc..). The rest just followed suite.
I'm not sure having a 'unique identifty' for an entire country the size of india would still leave things unique. Isn't it bad enough that 98% of Indian producers are making really dark trance ?
Thanks to all the kind words from you guys, its what keeps things going |
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Braindrop
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Posted : Dec 21, 2007 15:48
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Well .. i have a yes and a no for this. Reason being the sound defines the identity. But if the situation just produces clones then maybe its not really good after all.
Just my cent.
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Cosmic Tandav
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Posted : Dec 24, 2007 11:55
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ok ,imo there are a couple of good things and bad happenin after i got to hear some of the new stuff that the new boys are making..
1- in a way it is good that there is no so called "Indian Sound" .One of the reasons for this as mentioned before is that most of indian producers are doin it completely by themselves (if i am not mistaken)...and not collabrating much with each other ..when artists start collobarating or workin together..they share knowledege with each other and thus come up with a smiliar sound if they choose to .
But this is not hapeeenin india ,and is good in one way coz i believe over the years the different sounds comin out of india will give way to more unique and original sounds in the future...
and really nice to see that we have producers in all styles from psygressive to twilight to dark to full on ...etc...
altough most of these sounds dont have much originality in them and are trying to sound like their idols..it is only a matter of time that all the guys will come out with their own unique style (or may be they already have but we just have nt realised it)
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dE.Tonatik
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