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I don't get it !!!!!! labels artstis..... where are the simple people who really love trance ?
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Namhaj
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Posted : May 23, 2003 05:21
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The facts are from what i can see (maybe im not totally right but correct me where i am wong) are the following...
We are in this boat called trance, there is a leak and its sinking. Everyone is in the boat, artists, labels, listeners, everyone involved. Most people are just pointing the finger at someone else in the boat, and that its there fault there is a leak. This is not stopping the boat from sinking, its just letting it continue to make its way to the sea bed. Now instead of blaming each other, lets try and make the reality of the problem understood and then we can all make a change for the better.
Firstly, mp3 trading on p2p is definitely a big part of the problem, but... this is not a simple as it seems. You cant just run around chasing ftp and p2p owners, your just running around in circles. The problem is that many people just download and dont buy, its not so much the fact that people are trading mp3's, but the majority who use these p2p programs for their musical collection and dont buy a thing. Noone expects anyone to buy everything, but atleast buy what you like, i mean your getting it in better quality, whats the problem?
Secondly, labels have to pick up some of the responsibilty too, stop releasing shit just cos its your friend or whatever, keep the quality high and you'll sell no doubt, but if you put any joe blow on your label regardless of the quality, you wont sell... seems pretty simple to me.
Thirdly, the industry needs to change, before p2p programs became popular, the regular way of how tracks get released and distributed to the public was slow, but worked ok, but now people can get the music they want fast, thanks to the internet, which is great IMO. Maybe this is why unreleased is so sort after, cos its fresh. In a nutshell, the industry needs to be streamlined, not only for speedy releases, but decent prices also.
Dont make excuses, make changes. We all have a part to play in the solution... we adapt, we survive.
Money, like it or not, makes the world go around, the sooner you accept this fact, the better off you will be. Im no supporter of capitalism believe me, but this is how it is, if you have an alternative to the monetary systems we use today, let me know, im interested.
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Pak-Man
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Posted : May 23, 2003 05:57
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Well said Namhaj, this is all of our problem and it will take all of us working together to solve it 
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error604
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Posted : May 23, 2003 08:10
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this thread has gone far too long now....and i guess i'm the only one who kinda understands what Slomi is trying to say.....it seems to be that he agrees that MP3 downloads are bad....but raising that topic again and again on this forum throws up comments by various members in which others can get more information pertaining to trading sites/ download clients etc....which then gives rise to an increase in downloads/trades etc......for example - i would never have gone to teh trance.co.il site cos i never really searched the net for a trading site, but Ultrafox's comments could drive me there....in turn i could then join the growing tribe of traders etc....this is Slomi's point.
I think he seems to ask of all of us - reduce bullshitting about downloads, cos we are all not very righteous, everyone has done it at some time or the other, many continue to do it, talking about it again and again only gives more information to new members (isratrance is a growing site i guess).
Finally, Elysium Project is the only artist who has commented on this thread. Can someone give us an idea as to what an artist like GMS sells worldwide. I am asking about GMS cos I've seen cassettes here in India of their No Rules album and presume they are about as commercial as one can get in the psy scene.
Will downloads by hardcore pys lovers who aer after the unreleased tracks etc affect the global sales of No Rules now.
Less talk about downloads on these fora will at least ensure that new kids on the block have less information on sites/clients etc, which will then drive them to buy, thereby increase sales for the artists.
Take it easy everyone. too much negative energy here.
Slomi's question was - where are the true lovers of trance?
Ans : Isratrance has a very large corss-section of these true lovers. A growing tribe also has money and power mixing into it as a natural course of action. Love alone cannot keep the world running.
Here's a suggestion - to avoid Power Trips - how about a new rule on the Top 10 (Shahar?) -
No unreleased tracks in you list unless you are the artist making the track. This will remove Power Trips (Ego Trips)!!!
Sorry if I offended anyone.
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Gilad Refael
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Posted : May 23, 2003 12:03
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his point makes more sense now... but still, i can't think of any other way we can act, other than educating.
i said before, i would have never thought of 'wasting' my money on original cd's before those discussions here, followed by the death of some major labels.
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timsensient
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Posted : May 23, 2003 13:29
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sorry wrong topic |
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digVS.mushrooms
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Posted : May 23, 2003 13:29
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thats is funny, no comments from any lable!!
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nova
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Posted : May 23, 2003 15:08
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well, i cant say that you didnt get me...
i cant say that your commants didnt make me see it a little bit different...
i agree with you about that mp3 tarding and all that is wrong...
but im trying to show you that its not all black and white...
error604... very good commant... you are right about lots of things here... you have some good points. liked it very much. |
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Kaz
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Posted : May 23, 2003 16:32
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snowflake
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Posted : May 25, 2003 17:23
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lables, lables, lables.... c'mon the only reason we have so many labels is 'cos people like all of you guys, that are sooo against dl's. so you don't dl it you just exchange with other ppl from other lables.... it's fucked up i bet dj's spend as much money on music as the typical joe that uses soul seek, kazaa, whatever!!!! the only difference between ppl that dl and ppl who don't is who they know!!!
and to all of you artists out there one question:
is the programs you use to make music are registered? or you use kazaa, slsk whatever but not to dl music?????
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yossi
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Posted : May 25, 2003 17:33
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On 2003-05-25 17:23, snowflake wrote:
the only reason we have so many labels is 'cos people like all of you guys, that are sooo against dl's. so you don't dl it you just exchange with other ppl from other lables....
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realy?... thanks for clearing this up.
btw: this is one of the most stupid things i`ve read in this thread... another highlight.
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sad... but true.
but this is one more form of the "everybody does is so i do the same" lame excuse.
again... a little quote:
"Be the change you want to see in the world!"
M.K. Ghandi
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traveller
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Posted : May 25, 2003 17:51
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why should the downloaders have any excuse?
if you see 20€ bill on the ground you take it..
 "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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yossi
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Posted : May 25, 2003 18:09
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why should the downloaders have any excuse?
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dunno... but as i see, all the so called "downloaders" are trying to justify themselves...
nobody asked them.
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we both know its not the same.
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snowflake
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Posted : May 25, 2003 18:32
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no not realy dear yossi, i'm not using it as an excuse, i have all the deepest respect to all those good ppl who make this music that i love so much. but like you (i guess) i'm just sick of all the hypocrisy around it!
it's ok to dl music which is not trance but it's wrong to dl trance
it's ok to sample parts from movies amd other songs but it's wrong to dl trance
it's ok to dl the programs which you make the music with but it's wrong to dl trance
and on and on and on....
and you're wrong i'm not as stupid as you think.... maybe i didn't explain myself proparly, i wasn't trying to discover anything, just trying to say that it's a part of the problem. nothin new, nothin that haven't been said b4 (like most of this thread!!!).
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after your cd case get stolen you do think twice b4 you buy a new one....
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Shanti Alien
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Posted : May 26, 2003 00:25
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The way I see it the human nature is very greedy psychologically .So if one sees something he likes he grabs. Furthermore if it's free he will like it even more and will even fight back if you will try to take it from him.It's like a mania of some sort. I'm almost sure that at least 80% of the ppl downloading music don't even get a fuck about the future of the trance scene. They don't think that ppl will not spend their energies to make music and organize events
for free.Especially in today's ovecommercialised society.
2Snowflake: I think that sampling from movies or other songs isn't wrong! It's taking something from one stage to a higher one, like... making it better, remixing it.
I mean movie clichaes sound much better in tracks 
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snowflake
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Posted : May 26, 2003 01:18
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oops |
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