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How much you get (or pay) for play at the chill area???
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John
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Posted : Sep 15, 2005 11:41
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Sounds like someone needs to set up a Chill Out Trade Union! |
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Michael H
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Posted : Sep 15, 2005 14:16
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If you are putting out a product then everyone involved should be treated fairly and accordingly...
musically,i like to be taken on journey
i don't really care if it's live,d.j. whatever...
just because they're a live act it doesn't meant they're going to be great or any better than a d.j.
There should be room for everyone and everyone should be treated fairly..
it seems,in this industry that it's more important to have big names,especially live acts because they're big names and live acts,
and their set times are generally warranted
by how 'big' they are,not irrespective of the time of music they play and how it fits in with the others or how it will all flow
together musically and energetically(i wonder how many promoters conciously think about all these things??).
to me this seems pretty false ...
and also these people expect us to support them by buying their music,not downloading it
but that's what the mainstream psy-trance/ambient scene is all about..
and that's where a majority of the budget goes(live acts,big names)
so i pick and choose where i go and play..
i'd rather go to smaller parties like Baraka
,Collective Futures and fstivals like The Voov because they're more about the party and not who's playing at them.
The Voov 2005;we did actually get fed all the time and well looked after and we got transportation to and from the airport(a long way from the party party site)which for me was a pretty good energy exchange.
Nanda;the chillout in the Voov was fantastic,
it was the perfect chill space |
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nanda
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Posted : Sep 15, 2005 14:34
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"Sounds like someone needs to set up a Chill Out Trade Union!"
hahaha!!!
well.. it could be nice if is not only "some-one" and instead we are all together more open and in contact to check and decide how we work in different parts of this very fractal and eclectic scene. Its good idea but I think start to talk about politics its not the topic here.. right?
I mean, its enough for me the "full-On" politics that the trance scene have become lately so.. better don't get like that..
We must keep open and as everything "dynamic" But all a bit more united.
this bcz all my questions in the beg. of this forum.. actually bcz I am curious about you.. you and you too..
Reading the post of "kukan-dub-lagan" I really understand his point of view but its exactly what I am trying to kind of pull off (in this case with words) from all of us... basically depends from us the "what now?" and yeah.. we can rule baby.
Then basically the question(s) could be::
how you will like to work?? what are your conditions??
I know its difficult to put all that in the same bag and make an standard fee/accommodation/technical specifications for DJs and/or for LIVE acts.. don't forget the deko guys!!!! then.. obviously already we are building up:: some walls but if we are united.. I guess the called "organizes" will not have many choices and yes.. they will have to deal with you (us) as a professionals bcz they possible already saw an attitude.
I don't know.. i will love to feel that money and how they treat us--- its not topic anymore...
Kukan i know all the nightmare that it was for you (and many others) in Portugal this year and basically I still feel sorry for all the ones that ware kind of dreaming in make a good set over there and even wasn’t possible... Next time you will be more aware.. that's for sure.
but why like this?
then for the same reason.. I don’t believe that we need to kind of suffer and learn from that to get tough. we can still be the fluffy and gentle human beings and yah.. possible bcz.. we know that our work are in the first place.. as love many people say.. keep it save.
Respect and combative LOVE!!!
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nanda
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Posted : Sep 15, 2005 14:38
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"Nanda;the chillout in the Voov was fantastic,
it was the perfect chill space"
thanx sweety but you must keep the topic .. its not about music its not about to do or not suport the scene buying or downloading.. its about us and yes.. how to make it better.
thanx for you always friendly support my friend
keep shinning and yes.. have a"killer" set on the Frogz birthday party 
one love
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Sep 15, 2005 22:13
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nanda... I wish they'd give you a decent budget to work with...
i also hope the glade will increase budget for the chill stages...
here in BC at Shambhala, the most interesting stage was the beach/chill zone -where there was a great variety of music and a good number of people hanging out, and dancing by the river... usually during the day...
Kind of like a Canadian burning man...
many people booked at the festival play more than one set... there's 5 different stages covering different sounds, not just psy...
fees for locals are ok and include food, entry, guest pass...
they booked ott this year... as well as many other interesting acts...
still - can't really compare it to the european festivals...
i guess the dj fee was between 300 and 500$ for non locals
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John
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Posted : Sep 15, 2005 22:26
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here in BC at Shambhala...
Kind of like a Canadian burning man...
still - can't really compare it to the european festivals...
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Goin way OFF TOPIC.. but i suppose you know about the Shambala festival in the UK on the same weekend? Struck me as a nice coincidence... (Ott played there as well a few years ago - theres no escaping him!)
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Sep 16, 2005 00:17
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nope... didn't hear of it before
we're flying ott out here for 3 shows in BC next month...
people loved his sets at shambhala... and he seemed to enjoy the canadian spaciousness... |
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furthur
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Posted : Sep 17, 2005 06:04
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On 2005-09-16 00:17, andrew interchill wrote:
nope... didn't hear of it before
we're flying ott out here for 3 shows in BC next month...
people loved his sets at shambhala... and he seemed to enjoy the canadian spaciousness...
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Sep 18, 2005 00:43
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re ott in bc...
vancouver show with ronin, shen and mythril - wed oct 12...
salt spring island show - interchill party
sat oct 15, with big bass theory [live], gordon field, daniel, ronin and andrew
nelson show - ott and adham shaikh sat oct 22
it's harvest time in bc... lots of happy folks
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Kyma
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Posted : Sep 18, 2005 21:58
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I like the idea of a Chilled Collective....we know it's hard to have "set" prices for djs or lives and things like that since the scenes are very different depending on where we are..definetely not playing for free tough...but it definetely would be great to be more organized...not falling into the waste of energy of "trance politics". Uniting our energies intending to give better conditions of work and artistical development.
It's a known fact that we are not the "main" artists for most promoters. But we have to find ways to show that we are essential for a good energetic balance. That some people go to parties when they know we will be playing and that a chill out is being offered.
We could start a database....with infos about artists, I mean, we that are being part of it, also from promoters, so we can know in advance with who we are dealing...and develop it from there...
well....i was talking to kukan and we thought a good way of starting this would be doing a tribe at tribe.net where we could keep these infos for now....maybe developing a web site if there is the need after sometime...
we decided making a private tribe so just the members can read whats there...the only issue with that is the need of invitations to join it....anybody interested on it, please pvt or email me at pedro@realityengine.org with your email and ill send you the invitation....
any ideas...please let us know......
namaste
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Sep 18, 2005 23:03
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Nice idea pedro... count me in !
I think that there are several booking agencies i am aware of... one in sweden... and one over here...
the point of going through an agent should be... more high quality gigs, taking care of payment of deposits, having someone else manage and negotiate the details... stronger leverage
i have learnt over time that with gigs there is very rarely a "most favoured nations" clause [which you sometime see in licensing contracts to ensure that everyone is on the same basis as far as advances and royalty rates are concerned]
quite a few times i have dj'd for just my costs because i have felt good about helping out,,, and then subsequently felt good yet a little stupid when other people - often friends - have got paid a full salary... [and maybe helped out in other ways]
ultimately you get what you or your agent negotiate... and you have to be prepared to state your terms, see the big picture and potentially walk away from bad deals...
to anyone with serious aspirations i reckon the collective bargaining route is a great idea...
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from the label perspective, i try and avoid getting involved in artists' gigs... it really is better to let people do what they want - when and how they want... not to create the impression of there being any expectation to play shows...
it is great if they want to - as it gives us more substantial material to promote with, and it [the music / the artist] reaches people directly... , but there are so many variables involved with touring - quite a few of which we cannot control, and many costs that can stack up...
also people often have different expectations and agendas...
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our parties here on salt spring island are in a microcosm... we usually get 150 - 180 people - paying 20 each
the talent budget is usually 1500 - most goes on a guest or guests, and the rest of us local dj's get a base fee of 120-200 and participate in a profit split with the other dj's/artists and the visuals people if all costs are met.
the venue is 300, the security 160, advertising / poster 120, sound 350 - 600, visuals 400
we've enjoyed sets from kaya project, bluetech, shulman, phuture primitive, shakatura, shen, adham shaikh, maer, nils, aris, ronin...
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John
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Posted : Sep 19, 2005 01:46
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Nanda
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Everything in life is political.. and I would suggest that workers (ie chillout DJs) not being paid their correct worth by employers (ie festival/party organisers) is a classic case of exploitation - with or without an ambient ethno-dub soundtrack!
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nanda
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Posted : Sep 19, 2005 14:37
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wow - wow!!
very good to see and feel that all this its going somewhere nice..
thank you Pedro!! I am already there and yes.. lets doit !
(andrew:: about the booking ag. here in sweden. yes.. we are doing the update of the company very soon, to inform which are the artists involve.. i will let you know in case.. and yes.. about Chillosophy Music i owe you a long email)...
love and ribbitz
Nanda |
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Michael H
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Posted : Sep 19, 2005 16:05
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Nanda
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Everything in life is political.. and I would suggest that workers (ie chillout DJs) not being paid their correct worth by employers (ie festival/party organisers) is a classic case of exploitation - with or without an ambient ethno-dub soundtrack!
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i think it's already been explained
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1.become a 'live act'
2.or a record company boss
3.be a crony/friend of either of the above
otherwise please don't too precious about being a d.j. |
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Sep 20, 2005 01:13
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i don't think anyone should be precious about their dj'ing... doesn't matter who you are...who your friends are... we're not talking about original work here.
[i guess as an exception i'd say that the likes of kid koala and the whole world of scratching is somewhat different...]
take yourself really seriously as a dj if you want. i don't think that the art of being a dj is on a qualitative level with the art of making original music.
instead of "becoming a live act", i would suggest making an album... if people like it, chances are you will get booked somewhere.
or you can try the oldest one in the book - the mutual backscratching principle: produce parties yourself, book other people who do likewise and suddenly find yourself with bookings...
i suppose being a record company boss could get me some well paid gigs... but it is kind of a hypothetical observation... gigging doesn't suit everyone, or their families.
unfortunately perhaps, everything is political, potentially exploitative and nepotistic...
once in a while something that meets our ideals comes along - i.e. where quality is not compromised, where the fees/terms are fair and where the producers/organisers are professional - AND where the people are happy, excited, well looked after etc etc
samothraki was one of those
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