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How much you get (or pay) for play at the chill area???
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Sep 14, 2005 00:16
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well you are completely right about most of the audience just wanting to be entertained by good music, unreleased or not... just good, well mixed and in an interesting flow...
i can only speak for myself... I am mainly inspired by what i am hearing now... and a good chunk of it has not yet been released...
personally when i hear someone play i want to be inspired/ suprised and while a well placed classic is often great, <<for the most part >> i would rather be exposed to music i do not already know...
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John
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Posted : Sep 14, 2005 00:58
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But how many people in a chillout room/area are involved with a chillout lable or even buy chillout CDs on a regular basis?
I'm not saying everyone should be playing the same tunes from the last few big chillout releases - but DJs shouldnt get hung up on having to play tunes just becuase no one else has them either...
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Rui Ferreira
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Posted : Sep 14, 2005 13:49
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...yes many dj's outhere are very egocentrics and thinks they are the best just because they have unreleased tunes in their cases, and doesn't realised that most of the people in the party just wants to have good moments, and listen to good music, and i don't think they will stop to think wich tune is this the dj is playing...maybe a few people like us will pay attention to the tunes, but not most of the party people for shure. and It's funny when a dj want's to be sholder to sholder with someone wich is actually spending so much time in his life inside a studio producing the music wich the dj's will use in the next parties...please try to be humble and give credits to the artists ok. as much artist we can book to a party more good and quality the scene will be in the future! And i also like to spine my records and share good music with the others, but when i am doing it, i'll try to pleased the crowd and don't really think if the tune i am playing is the latest tune from the most rare compilation/Artist out there...i will try for shure to find a context and will have much more fun with that  |
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PKS
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One of the best things with chill out/ambient music is that a lot of it sounds timeless, compared to for example trance, which sounds outdated faster... In my sets, I spin mostly released music. I have no wish to only play unreleased music. I play music that I think is good quality, and I don't care if it's released or old... I like to give the audience good variety, and can mix in everything from 70´s ambient, jazz, ethnic chill, chilled psychedelic rock, lounge chill, dub etc. There is no limit when playing in the chill out area, as long as it is chilled... Offcourse it depends a little on the crowd and time of day/night too... That's why I enjoy it so much!! Almost every time I play, people asks me about what I have played etc. Then it's great to tell them that it is actually released, and available for them to buy if they like it! If I wanted, I could try to play mostly unreleased, but then the quality of my set wouldn't be very good... So to you dj's out there, don't be afraid of playing released music. There are so many old, "hidden", good chilled releases out there, so just dig after it, and you will get a lot of positive surprises that you can share with the audience... Personally I buy more old music than new music these days...
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CTRCD01 QUALITY RELAXATION
CTRCD02 RELAXED JOURNEYS
CTRCD03 EAR PLEASURE
CTRCD04 WOMBATMUSIC - Shameful Silence
CTRCD05 POLYPLOID - Grow Your Own
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Michael H
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Posted : Sep 14, 2005 17:17
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On 2005-09-13 23:08, andrew interchill wrote:
Ii think, in comparison to the artists, people shouldn't get too precious about being dj's...
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how inspiring!
and the answer is;because we actually love doing it and feel we deserve to be treated respectfully like everyone else,that's why
the ironic thing (Andrew) is you've put that remark on a thread written by a d.j.who happens to represent your record label,a person who busts her arse to help make the chill scene evolve in all the ways that you've mentioned.
lets face,right or wrong,the scene now revolves around record companies and their artists,that's what it's all about...
whether people prefer live acts or dj's they will predominantly get live acts or live acts doing d.j.sets..
the others are just there to make up the numbers or,as Andrew put it "to pad the live acts out"
we are just not worthy
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babag
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On 2005-09-13 23:08, andrew interchill wrote:
Ii think, in comparison to the artists, people shouldn't get too precious about being dj's...
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how inspiring!
and the answer is;because we actually love doing it and feel we deserve to be treated respectfully like everyone else,that's why
the ironic thing (Andrew) is you've put that remark on a thread written by a d.j.who happens to represent your record label,a person who busts her arse to help make the chill scene evolve in all the ways that you've mentioned.
lets face,right or wrong,the scene now revolves around record companies and their artists,that's what it's all about...
whether people prefer live acts or dj's they will predominantly get live acts or live acts doing d.j.sets..
the others are just there to make up the numbers or,as Andrew put it "to pad the live acts out"
we are just not worthy
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both fantastic and true posts. a very interesting and inspiring forum this is.
i play ambient tunes in my restaurant and people really loves it and is asking a lot about the album or track names.
as an ambient dj a get a lot of amused smiles here in switzerland when referring to it and i played at the fullmoon festival chillout this year - without getting paid anything, not even the food - or drinkcoupons they told me i will get - fish did a great job though. ...but i still loved it..it is all about the love with music and the vibe that it creates..and this is sometimes a big difference with so called big djs playing at the mainstages.
but let's all continue diving into that big ocean of ambient.
again a fantastic forum
i love you people outthere and all of you go on with the brillant work you're doing.
xxxx
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droozi
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Posted : Sep 14, 2005 19:18
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Uh live sets and unreleased music is good and all but a dj is not someone who just sits there and presses play on a cd player - a dj is and always will be the wizard that controls the crowds moods and thoughts. I thought the whole concept of pystrance revolved arround the concentration on the journey - so then why is that such an importance is being given to live and unreleased. I think live is good when it is live instruments or if the music is really being made live (as in extra special tweaks and turns that you dont hear on the cd) - otherwise in electronic music live is a sham. The effect is much better with dj'in - which unlike most live sets has continuity. True i like to listen to music that i have not heard before - but I like even more for the music to get me in a place that evokes passionate emotion (wether it be anger, happiness, sadness etc etc etc). So please lets not give so much attention to unreleased. I could play the sound of me farting which is an unreleased sound (well maybe somewhat released) but that doesnt make it good to listen to. |
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Sep 14, 2005 19:28
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"the ironic thing (Andrew) is you've put that remark on a thread written by a d.j.who happens to represent your record label,a person who busts her arse to help make the chill scene evolve in all the ways that you've mentioned. "
.... i don't think there's irony - there's certainly no criticism or disrespect of anyone implied...my comment applies to me too... and to the other label dj's...
it doesn't change the fact that we are selectors and mixers of other people's music...
that is fine for me... enough to be inspired... but i wouldn't dream of comparing a dj mix of mine to original work by an artist... in comparison it is just not worthy... i'll stand by that ...
earlier i made the point that chill areas at festivals could perhaps be better if more live acts were booked...
and ideally the acts booked would be the ones who would play live...
this thread is in the context of budgets and approaches at festival chill zones ...
ideally the people who control the budgets should be convinced to book the best that the world can offer, rather than offer no fee to dj's and end up with whoever is happy to play on those terms...
it may well be that the people who chose to play on those crap terms will play an amazing set... there is no correlation between people who ask for proper fees and treatment also being the best....
but... i'd rather see a line-up of live acts and dj's from around the world i know to be excellent - and often this requires more of a budget than people are used to offering...
i think "doing it for the love of it" is a pre-requisite too... i'm kind of assuming that is the case for everyone who bothers to visit here...
if i refuse to encourage dodgy practices [having no budget for the chill] then it does not mean that i somehow don't love the music and the vibe it creates...
we all benefit if we can drive the production/booking standards and crowd expectations upwards
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babag
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Posted : Sep 14, 2005 19:35
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one thing i forgot to write: ambient djs should get a proper treatement by festivals, get money for their sets and a good care. we all work hard on our sets.
if a festival can't do it, they should not put up and chill stage or better - pay less to the 'superstars'
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andrew interchill
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Posted : Sep 14, 2005 19:38
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i guess i'd like to add that things are fluid...
i.e. - we all have to make judgements about what we want to do... and sometime those involve taking more into consideration than just the fee being offered...
the cynicism [or shrewdness] of those who offer the crap terms and low fees rests upon their belief that people cannot afford not to be involved...
sometimes they are right...
the ideal is when dj's and artists are not forced to make that choice... |
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djdrenan
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Posted : Sep 14, 2005 21:49
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just few words about this very interesting subject
first i totallly understand Nanda..................
speaking about money when u play chill/lounge music in trance parties is quiet hard
cause you're always playing on the "small sound system"
the second or third one!!but 99 per cent the smaller
i had a work and i cant leave only with the money from the giggs
and here in Pâris there is maybe 5 trance parties with chill out, a year!!so hard for the chill djs!
and many times organizers propose only travel fee + food and accomodations and prefer to book local djs for their chill stage cause the travel fee is cheaper....
but it changes step by step
and much more ambient/chill cd are distributed over the world....
this music should organize events ""by herself""
and maybe had to became ""independent"" movement..i mean organize chill parties
héhé it could be an idea..
anyway...
we will continue to play louge and chill stuff---i hope---
we will get out of the choice we often have to do:
to play for nothing(or travel fee)
or don t play
cause we love music
thx for your nice set@OV,silence festival Nanda
keep the groove
and hope to speak with u soon!!
drenan
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brij
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On 2005-09-14 19:35, babag wrote:
ambient djs should get a proper treatement by festivals, get money for their sets and a good care. we all work hard on our sets.
if a festival can't do it, they should not put up and chill stage or better - pay less to the 'superstars'
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While it may seem understandable for a small party not to pay a chillout DJ (or trance DJs), I would say that travel expenses are the minimum. It seems bizarre to me that an event as large as the Voov cannot. It has been going for a long time and has a very large number of people buying tickets. This festival does not publish its line-up, so it is not a question of using big names to market the festival. If the promoters are making money then there is no excuse to ask an artist to pay. Given the low ticket price, and the long standing reputation of the festival, surely a small price increase would at least pay travel costs and would not affect the attendance.
Personally I am happy to play for some promoters whom I trust for no fee, but my minimum is always travel costs and a smile. If that smile is not there, then I wouldn't say yes again.
Recently, this chill section of isratrance has been very stimulating, so thanks to all for that.
On the debate on live acts vs. DJs, released vs unreleased, I think that belongs in a new thread.
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nanda
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Time to say some words..
First of all THANX to everybody who have been reading and answering to this post..
There/here it's not a standard for the "down beat" regarding bookings and what is the minimum fee... blah blah. for trance parties...
Its clear that trance parties have been the ones who have created the necessity even when now most of the organizers doesn’t have clue what that means.
And please understand that I am talking about chill areas and not about music. Its clear for me that you can play what ever you like and nothing have to do with play unreleased or old tunes.. more or less bpms
Play (as OTT say somewhere in this forum) what you love.
The scene have been increasing in BPMs and decreasing in quality indeed... possible bcz organizers want to gather more people; make more money for cover the very expensive "issues" and not taking care.. in nothing except the "dance floor"...
I share some things that Andrew (interchill) say here that it could be fantastic to see that in the chill areas have been investing some $ for make it better.. inviting more live acts (with instruments.. all the band, etc. e.g. as Gaudi), and yes.. possible less DJs... better/new Deko. i dont kow. Personally I will Love to hear/listen to those ones you, I can buy a CD or vinyl from and yes.. that it will be Another stage where possible are people who really don’t want to missed the "artist".. That there it’s some kind of interest, not just super over tired /sleepy people.. so in the end --- nothing to do with trance.
This days you only can see that in big festivals like the BigChill, Glastonbury, Glade.. (just for say some ones)
and why???
bcz the scene its totally different my friend.. starting from the organizers to the one who have paid the entrance-- which one possible bought it long time b4--- then there is a interest from the beginning. The whole festival its interesting! Surely it is. And there is Loads of people involve and of course money for invest and pay to professional stuff... Advertising in the different kind of media and yah.. money for pay the complete Band (in this case).
Obviously the ONE who have the vision has to be open mind.. very informed and yes..... in other words AWARE what is going on with music. indeed.
Trance parties in this days are a big paradox.. bcz right now are so many offering the same things as well as Chill areas that normally doesn’t have more than 4 live acts.. which ones some times can’t bring all the technical stuff with the them (or the technical rider never was there) bcz of budget and so they end playing with their laptops kind of improvising--- and yah.. It could look a bit “unreal” -- also same kind of:. deko/low profile music DJ stuff (means same tunes over and over)... And yah.. Nothing really new that can make it a bit far of all expectations.. Or more professional.. I guess money here its not the point. Its about visions and energy to spend in something for make it beautiful and of course with love.
Regarding the Chill @ Voov-Experience I should say that I am aware about all what you are saying but it have been difficult to make it work out as is today.
For them, b4 I came to organize that, it was just as a simple stage where all their friends could play -obviously for free- and yes.. For fun.
Nobody was in charge or clearly for organize the “line up”. Yes.. It was a very experimental one.. But slowly slowly the organizers start to see around, in other fests, that the Chill area was a very important part for festivals.. So then.. They thought to make it better..
Already 2002 and me coming from far a way to help them to manage the stage; Line up already done.. Oh!.. There wasn’t really a chill area.. It was far.. And basically very pour in Deko, just a simple tent for make a shade and yah.. Many people playing whatsoever. no body knew that the "chil" was that far so not many people show up.. and yah. That it was... (...)
Next year after spoke to the voov “heads” we moved the chill a bit closer but.. When I came to check just few days b4 the fest. started, the chill (already a big circus tent) it was to close to the alternative floor but with a nice deko team.... But till the sound system of the other two stages did their sound check... Oh my god!!! .. We didn’t know that we were in the middle of everything. Big mess of sound for us. Very annoying - that sure.. No body could handle.. Oh ya.. Only putting very high the volume. So again nothing to do with Chill the scene and me getting a bit lost with the mission.. I spoke again to the “heads”, this time regarding the position of the Chill tent and if there it was a possibility to pay, at last, the transportation to the Chill artists who ware coming from far out ..
“we will think about it”...
So already 2004 the Chill tent was in very good position comparing the 2 times b4 ; beautifull Deko and yah.. Again no money or budget for pay to the artists which ones are always so happy to play.. that yes.. Sure, Seems the voov-organizers got used to that.
Me again and many times asking to them about the payment for the Chill artist that it could make such a difference and yes.. Very hard already for me when as I have said early in this post.. I do survive as DJ in this part of the globe. So basically no face to say, to many of those “good” DJs have requested to play at Voov.. “sorry you must be aware that voov-Exp. Doesn’t pay any fee or transportation.. Just simple things like food, drinks during the fest and a nice place where you can put your tent”.. Difficult but again it worked out this year.
I have to be very honest and say that I have seen loads of changes since I am working for the Chill @ Voov, I mean that possible we still not paying to any of the artists in the chill area and you must understand that also in big stages are NO Stars.. All the artists DJs and Live acts get same amount of money. So basically there its no one more important than other.. So.. What I can say?... The Chill will still as a mission but yes.. Next year, and its already a fact, they will rise the price of the entrance in 5€ for be able to pay to some DJ/Artists at the Chill area the transportation and I hope to the ones who live closer some money for their work.. even when most of them play for fun or passion..
Yes.. We are aware that we have to change some things and ofcourse Voov-Exp. Its not the kind festival to compare.. Like someone said “This festival does not publish its line-up, so it is not a question of using big names to market the festival”. Indeed.. Its a family party and yes.. We -in this case I .. are Trying always to make it better.. So when the day come.. Sure we will love to be able to pay the whole band / live act and ofcourse interesting stuff ... Different for sure.. And I hope... When that happen You could be there.
In tune
Nanda
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John
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Posted : Sep 15, 2005 01:55
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On 2005-09-15 01:40, nanda wrote:
And please understand that I am talking about chill areas and not about music.
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Apologies if the thread got hi-jacked a little ...but its been a really interesting read.
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kukan-dub-lagan/ItaiTaiko
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so...what can we say? 
we like the music-we love it-this style is in our vibe...
bpm-high/low-whatever you want to call it-it is no matter as chill can be chill from all genre it got for itself...the love to it is the thing that make us keep on with it ,i sure in that.
andrew got a great label-their music is one of the best for my opinion....
many people here say true words on organize and stuff like that.
the question is :what now?
the past was---the future is on his way...but what now?
in this days---when we speak -we speak on the time now.we want to get the same treatment as other artist get.
i love music-no matter what style .
i make psy dub-and i haft to say that i love it more than i love my trance-and i also make trance.
when i play outside or in bar or other place or live of kukan---for me,i want to get the same attitude as all other famous or regular artist(for me all the same ofcorse-the music is matter of taste)get.
if this what i am making for living ,so of corse i want to get paid for that.no matter what i play.i don't need to play for free or to pay my own flight for play.if somebody want to book me so it is up to him to arrange the professional way to arrange it.there is no reason that in the dance floor you will get this treatment and in the chill other treatment.
for example-if i will play as kukan in the chill so i will get low budget and bad conditions.but i can play in the same festival as itaitaiko and get good conditions and good payment and on & on...
for me it is not fare---i think that i put my best to make people smile , or to give them one moment even,when they listen to the music,that they can forget their problems even and relax and smile..that is all i want.
again,i love the music,i play for 8 years.but i dont need to do it for free if i dont want to of corse.if there is a festival far away from israel,and the ticket is high price-so that say that i need to pay 500-1300$ to play there? so not enough that we need to play for free,we also need to pay for it?!?
i dont think it is the way-sorry-love the music or not-professional or not-release or un release tracks...
we need to get all the respect we deserve for the time we put in it ...because maybe you will play for free,but the organize will charge money on it.
after-if the organize will make the good deco and sound system and all that-is up to him...you come to play and give people the best you can ,this is the way and the vibe.but as well-from the organize side-they need to make their best as same as we...that you will want and will give another good time and vibes to the people.
it is not funn to play when you know that maybe you dont have how to get to your flight,or where to sleep or i dont know what more...i think we know enough bad situation that artist been thru, or other dj ofcorse.
as much as we will rise our condations that we want and ready to play for-the same we will get and slow slow the messege will be sperd all around.
so again :the question is :what now?
the past was---the future is on his way...but what now?
we decide for our way...we choose it.we can low our terms,give a really low price even(that what i make -for me it is to be the most open to the organize)or we can just be us and get what we think we deserve for our play...time will tell
i wish only good vibe to all the ones in it,that wait that the wave will grow as it really need 2...
feel life
itay
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