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How do tracks leak to the net

Hodi
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Posted : Feb 16, 2003 14:17
i don't understand that.
ok:
an artist make a track, but somehow it gets to the net even before the promo got released!

why can't the artists save on their tracks and keep them in their computer only?
is that so hard?
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traveller
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Posted : Feb 16, 2003 14:30
do they lick their way to the net? hehe..
man the word you are looking for is "leak"..
anyways.. I think it's the artist's fault since they trust their friends and send the tracks to them..           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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Hodi
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Posted : Feb 16, 2003 14:32
oh yes oops.
it's LEAK.

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pr0fane
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Posted : Feb 16, 2003 14:42
Because there is a lot of trading going on, and that's been the situation for a lot of years.

Let's say that artist "xxx" have made a new track, and he wan't to know how well it works on the dancefloor. He knows a few DJ's, and he decides to give it to them, so they can spin it at some parties and give him some feedback.

Then perhaps they trade it with some other DJ's and/or friends, and one day somebody encode it to mp3/ogg or whatever format, and publish it on the net.

As said - Trading has been a part of the scene for many years, but "the last link" with publishing the songs for xxx users on the internet is probably not something the artists appreciate.           DJ pr0fane (Iboga Records) | Multiphase
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Kaz
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Posted : Feb 16, 2003 14:53
Because people who get tracks from their friends who are friends of the artist don't give a shit about it and trade it with all the people they know. You guys know who I'm talking about. I have never given out a track that was given to me by an artist, if everyone was like this, there'd be no case of stolen tracks (before the promo CD is out, or someone steals a case, robs the laptop... in any case). Unfortunately, most people who trade music on the internet just don't respect the artists enough to wait.

After a CD is out already, there's no use in stopping it, there's nothing that can be done. Everyone can get it. Before that is when people break trust on a personal level. When you trade an unreleased track, what you're doing is not only stealing. You're stating a big "FUCK YOU" to the artist who made them.

The problem is, that appearantly people think that it's perfectly ok.           http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
Hodi
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Posted : Feb 16, 2003 14:56
i think the problem is with the artists, if they want to save on their tracks, they shouldn't give it to ANYONE!
and if they want to test it on the dancefloor they can test it buy themselves, why do they need other DJ'S to do that?           u can find "Anything U Want" using the search...
nahimoff
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Posted : Feb 16, 2003 14:57
nowadays the situation is lika that: artists (especially new ones) want their music to be released,so they send it to numerous labels for inspection. Some of the labels hear the music and,without keeping the integrity towards the artist spread the music between their djs/artists. That causes usually a backfire on the tracks, from one side it gets the exposure on the dancefloor but on the other hand there are wnough djs and Label A&Rs!! who personally put the tracks on the internet! why beats the hell out of me its just like shooting your own legs the way I see it.

For example our first compilation "travelocity" was on the net a month!! before it was in the shops and I know exactly who did it (a&r of one of the most famous labels around). It is up to the artists and their labels (if they have) to know that they should present the tracks to reliable people. Who are the reliable people? thats a different thread altogether.
Hodi
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Posted : Feb 16, 2003 15:42
i think Nadi is right, it's up to that artists and their labels.

and what's funny later the artists complain that people don't buy cd's. ofcourse they won't if they got it before the cd was released.           u can find "Anything U Want" using the search...
BrainStorm
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Posted : Feb 16, 2003 16:25
im agree with traveller
artists cant handle their own productions and protect it from getting on the net before they release this music

nobody can "leak" anything, if an artist doesnt give the tracks away to nobody

but.. does it really matters WHEN the music will be "leaked" to the net? i mean.. if it happens after release or before.. whats the real difference?
Kaz
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Posted : Feb 16, 2003 16:32
If a good friend comes and asks to get that track so he can play it, and then, gives it to a friend good of his and asks him "don't give this to anyone else, ok?", and that guy says "fuck it, I can trade that one for a lot of new unreleased tracks!", then as I understand it from you Hod - the artist was the one at fault here?

It's not the artist's fault. If you think an artist shouldn't trust his good friends, then something is wrong with YOU, not the artists. The problem is that trust is broken. That's how unreleased tracks get to the net - people LIE, people CHEAT, people STEAL. Don't blame the artist for trusting people, blame the people he can't trust.           http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222
BrainStorm
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Posted : Feb 16, 2003 16:37
i still think its an artists fault.. if you dont trust 100% to the human, why to get him the chance to steal your music>?

what kind of friend would do that to you???

kaz, i wish i could hear a few words from you about my new release.. check the topic in "new tracks"... you are a serious trancer, i rely on your opinion very much
nobody_3
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Posted : Feb 16, 2003 16:41
You people just dont really know what you're talking about...sorry but you are way off line here !

Most artists today do NOT give out their tracks but unfortinently there are many labels that go out and test the music before they release it and they give it out to Dj's that unfortinently do not care if they agreed to not trading the tracks. They trade music so they can get more unreleased music themselves...sad but true..so stop blaiming all the artists and tell them it's their fault..in the end it's the people that trade download music that are guilty..not the artists !!!
Hodi
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Posted : Feb 16, 2003 17:01
artists - simply don't give the music to the labels ;-)           u can find "Anything U Want" using the search...
BrainStorm
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Posted : Feb 16, 2003 17:15
Elisium: i dont think any serious label would do this... its under the law and its easy to get catched with this.

thats what promo versions is used for..
so if the artist will give the label only promo versions, no dj will have it


full_on
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Posted : Feb 16, 2003 20:12
It seems nobody can trust even his shadow when its about unreleased tracks and trade addicts...

Anyway, I have a question: whats the damage if unreleased tracks find their way into the Net, because people can only buy it when its released, and everybody knows that if its released itll be on the Net on the same day...
Whats the difference of released and unreleased tracks on the Net?
Im not an artist, and I want to know...
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