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Hommage to P2P sharing

Nobita
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Posted : Oct 19, 2006 01:47
Without p2ps, I would know nothing of psytrance, or of any non-mainstream music for that matter. Extreme metal, psy/goa, chillout, ambient, IDM, jazz, I've been exposed to those genres thanks to them being so readily available over the net, and I'm gratefull for that.

I generally only buy the albums that have truely marked me, in sign of support and respect for that artist. But I can't afford to pay for every single bit of music I've listened to, and I have no desire to do so.

I don't think there's psy-trance producers starving in the gutters, just alot of ones wishing they didn't have to have a day job

Right now, if people want to support the artists by buying their album, then they can.

If they don't want to support that artist, then they don't; the fact that they still get to listen to the music is irrelevant.

Personally, I don't think that's a very fucked up situation.
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 19, 2006 02:42
you can´t pay for everything in life

internet has been a bless for music interested people and gotten lots of artists recognized.







Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 19, 2006 03:08
Agreed. However you also can't deny that people won't tend to buy something if they can get it for free.           Mastering - http://mastering.OOOD.net :: www.is.gd/mastering
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Basilisk
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Posted : Oct 19, 2006 05:01
Sure, but MP3s and a cover scan are a pale shade of the real thing. You artists need to give tribute to all of us collector maniacs
Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 19, 2006 05:53
Colin - no i cant deny that.
its a very complicated question of ethics. or maybe not... i dunno maybe just as simple as, pay up or get lost.

we are surrounded by bad ethics..
still there are people out there supporting one another...
and lots of people giving things for free!

we should support what we like, and we should embrace quality! as we see it.

what i think is most important is that people hear the music..
though artists must survive, i think people will always be willing to give to a talanted and true musician/artist, play the strings that makes them give and if this means that YOU have to give from your hearth, soul and body.. Do it! even then its not a guarantee that people will give something back.

if a guy comes to you with a guitar and just plays for you... you can decide if you want to give him something for the preformance or not..

i can admit that there are music that i downloaded that really touched me and which i enjoy alot..
of course i should show my gratitude in someway.. money is one way, but i believe there are other ways aswell.

its not easy to survive on art - even if art is all about surviving..

im digging my self deeper and deeper in this moral circus..
i could staple question after question..

its really something to ponder.. getting something for free, for example... i have been given things for free, and somethings i have taken, all is free of cost, but not equal anyway.. to be given and to take is very different. if i download a track that is supposed to cost money i am stealing it.. but to steal donsent necessary make a bad person.. maybe karma regulates it all

i ask any artist.. if there was 10 persons that wanted to hear your track, but only one willing to pay for it.. all enjoyed it. lets say you had the power to make them not hear the music, would you do it? that is, make them not hear the music cause they wont pay you for it.. so instead you see 1 person smile/cry/groove to you track instead of 10..

im lost right now.. laters
HaKa
HaKa

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Posted : Oct 19, 2006 17:20
Mp3 are not for traders only, or stolen music, why beatport sell mp3?????????

so you can buy mp3 also

nothing can happen if have mp3 because i can buy it thoug...           Searching for new Sounds

www.myspace.com/hakastyle
floatyhippyflower


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Posted : Oct 20, 2006 12:05
I have to say my experience was similar to Nobita's and it kind of upsets me when I read all the harsh comments about people who download, as if they're all under the same bracket of "thieves and piss-takers" - though I do understand why.

When I first got my PC it was during my pre-psy days, when Napster was fairly new. I downloaded everything I could find, mainly stuff that I'd lost during a burglary several years earlier and had never been able to replace (for financial reasons.) I also discovered new music I'd never heard before, including Scientist, a lot of world music, and a number of other dub/chill artists I now love and have the CD's for.

When I was eventually introduced to psy it was by somebody who loved trance, and with whom I discovered that a lot of my favourite chill tracks came from psy artists, so once again, I went on a mission to find stuff on P2P networks because at that point I hadn't come across the forums or psy-specific sites that I now know of...I even wrote a piece about it for my music course at the time in favour of it because of how much it had opened up my world!

UNTIL two things happened. The first was when I started writing my own stuff and it occurred to me that for all P2P offers an opportunity for small artists to get heard, downloading from smaller labels would actually have an impact financially in a way that it does not for bigger, mainstream artists, so for the most part I stopped doing it, restricting it to albums I knew I was interested in but couldn't sample anywhere else. The second thing was joining a number of forums, which only served to cement this decision, when I saw for real just how it DOES affect such people, and having places like Saiko now at my disposal was another new world that opened up...

The fact remains however that for four years I had to go looking for the music I like because it isn't in places like HMV, Virgin etc. To try-before-buying P2P was my only option, and I bought a lot of Twisted and Dragonfly stuff on the strength of it. I remember once having a debate with Ott last year, who is vehemently against P2P, and I had to say that without it I wouldn't have bought either of his albums! I know I am not alone.

It's a tough one. I realise people do take the piss and as Colin says if people can get it for free then they will. There are still albums on my hard drive that I haven't been able to buy yet that I downloaded a long time ago, but I have slowly been working my way through them over the years.

I think there is a line to be drawn here. Not everybody has/does take the piss. I respect the fact that on the whole the psy scene does not condone sharing, so I hardly ever do it now and never for artists who I know hands-down disagree with it (Ott being one ) and stick with Saiko and sometimes Amazon to get a feeling for the music. I also have a number of online friends who's opinions/tastes I have come to trust and/or will post stuff to me on CDR if they think I will like it so I can have a listen first - and again, I have bought a number of albums on the back of it. Obviously the stuff I don't like doesn't get played again, the stuff I do like goes on my long list to buy - and I do whenever I can.

If I had to quantify it, I'd estimate that to date approximately 60% of my psy CD's (which isn't actually a whole lot but still a fair bit in monetary terms) have been purchased due to downloading habits of old (Audiogalaxy was where I got most of it, so that should tell you how long ago we're talking) and/or CDR swapping. The rest has been down to samples on the websites I now regularly check in with and places like Psystream, which have daily shows/mixes that you can tune into.

*waits for barrage*

TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 20, 2006 12:20
Why is it that one "I want to justify" topic after another topic pop up created by traders who have their hands deep down the cookie jar?

Do your thing but stop the endless topics that frankly is an insult to many artists on this board.

Some of us artists will never agree with you traders so just leave it be.           http://www.peopleagainstpeace.net/
floatyhippyflower


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Posted : Oct 20, 2006 12:26
With respect, I am not a trader. I am not trying to justify anything at all. I am reporting my own personal experience of P2P as it was for me in a topic about P2P. I have only ever posted on one thread prior to this (last year I think) on this same subject so my knowledge of "endless topics" is somewhat different to yours. To be fair, it may well have been done a hundred times before, but it's still worthy of debate because it still goes on, and there are new members joining all the time. Like I did last year. Had I not stumbled into a similar discussion when I first joined I may well still be downloading now, but I don't. It is healthy to discuss things that are controversial and imapct on the scene. You never know, some people's views may change because of it, hopefully those that DO have respect for the artists and the scene, and wish to support it in an appropriate manner. I suspect those who don't and are just looking for a free ride/tune/CD will carry on regardless, but that doesn't mean to say we shouldn't talk about it.
TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 20, 2006 12:28
In 5 mins the first kiddo will enter this topic and start the :

"you greedy artists"
"all artists make tons of money via gigs"
"music should be free"
"artists should get a real job"
"you would not be known if it was not for p2p"

etc etc etc.

Endless excuses and no solutions to give the artists what's their right. payment for their work.

The war is lost. The pirates has won. simple as that.
          http://www.peopleagainstpeace.net/
floatyhippyflower


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Posted : Oct 20, 2006 12:30
Quote:

On 2006-10-20 12:28, TrippyJohnny wrote:
In 5 mins the first kiddo will enter this topic and start the :

"you greedy artists"
"all artists make tons of money via gigs"
"music should be free"
"artists should get a real job"
"you would not be know if it was not for p2p"

etc etc etc.



That may well be the case but...

Quote:
endless excuses and no solutions. The war is lost. The pirates has won. simple as that.



...you think by not discussing it we will come up with solutions?



Pavel
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Posted : Oct 20, 2006 13:40
I am with you Rina, in all the cases. Without Internet i'd never buy 90% of my collection.
If there's any crisis in the current Music industry it's probably because it sucks. I donno why but everytime i enter Psyshop or Saikosound i usually find myself browsing away to Amazon to find something more interesting.          Everyone in the world is doing something without me
TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 20, 2006 13:51
Quote:

On 2006-10-20 12:30, floatyhippyflower wrote:

...you think by not discussing it we will come up with solutions?



Did all the endless debates here and on other forums the last 4 years or so change anything? nope.           http://www.peopleagainstpeace.net/
Drunken Monk


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Posted : Oct 20, 2006 14:00
Oh you greedy artists. All of you make tons of money via gigs. U should get a real job and let the music free for all!
Besides, you would not be known if it was not for p2p.
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floatyhippyflower


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Posted : Oct 20, 2006 14:00
Quote:

On 2006-10-20 13:51, TrippyJohnny wrote:

Did all the endless debates here and on other forums the last 4 years or so change anything? nope.



It changed me and my habits.
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