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Stregone
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Posted : Oct 20, 2006 15:45
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We need a quality support for the internet music
and just one support not 100 standards
We need the possibility to buy every single track going out for 1 dollar
Then it would be good and artist would get paid for what they do and fucking the fucking major. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 22, 2006 23:11
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 22, 2006 23:30
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TrippyJohnny - lots of people get ripped of in all kinds of labours...
i dont see why artists are so divine..
they communicate and/or express their feelings/visions with sounds, color, fabric, clay. ect ect..
now music might be the artform that suffers the most from stealing.
everybody can claim money for their work, most of the time people dont get what they deserve, and most of the time its the people that dont deserve anything that gets the most...
you can talk all you want about the rights artists has.
if you choose a tricky business its your choice.. pirates are not only in the music business, they are everywhere that money exist..
i think we should be happy that people want to hear the music...
and if they somehow choose to pay, lets call it that their moral is maturing and they want to do what feels right. or they got a steady income or some money left to support what they like...
its not just artists that has to starve sometimes.
everybody has, if they are not born with a golden spoon in their mouth.
i think if you want to be a true artits.. Give some music away for free... and review your own moral values... and dont judge others like they were thiefs just cause they want to listen to music! i speak of "normal" person with PC and internet, not piracy.
i know this statement is old and not so fun to read..
but i think there is a sensemoral in what i write
I know of artists that use cracked Sequencers and VST and audio editors, which they have released music with and have used to play gigs with....
they get some money from their music, if not much its still more than a cd costs...
sometimes they dont give a damn about the hard work it takes to code all the stuff they use...
one day maybe they grow in the music business, and get enough money to pay for their tools(some people never pay up but still demand money for their own creations)...
but they should never forget what they had to do to come to that point... just like any human being, and you can make that a analogy to buying cds versus downloading...
in the end some people do pay for it..
Now Of course there are alot of artits that has never used cracked software or stolen hardware for that matter...
and if you like something you should buy it, and if you feel that you dont want to support someone that use cracked software you should investigate in the matter and show that you dont condole with that kind of thing.
yeah its tricky,,, but most things that mean something is tricky!
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Tundra
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Posted : Oct 22, 2006 23:52
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Yea it's about time that somebody paid hommage to P2P networks! I've been saying it for years. Most of us artists are cunts anyway. We don't deserve the cash. If we had too much money we'd probably all overdose on coke. You're actually doing us a favour by downloading our stuff. In fact, I encourage you to download our stuff. You can probably find it on Limewire. If I wasn't too busy shagging my groupies in my Ferarri I'd post a link to a torrent where you could download all our stuff.
It's true what they say about P2P being good for promotion. I'd much rather have people know my name than have money for food, because let's face it, being famous is so much cooler than being well nourished. And besides, I make a small fortune from playing live, so I'm too busy getting fucked up on designer drugs and bathing in champagne to worry about.
I also competely agree with the argument that you should pay for the music you can afford and download the rest, because it's not hurting anyone... you wouldn't have bought the music anyway, so they're not losing out. I do the same, just not with music. When I go shopping I pay for the stuff I can afford and steal the rest. Besides, the owner of the shop is probably also a cunt like me, doing coke in his back office and knobbing his secretary.
Long Live Piracy!!!
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Pavel
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 01:06
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On 2006-10-22 23:52, Tundra wrote:
Yea it's about time that somebody paid hommage to P2P networks! I've been saying it for years. Most of us artists are cunts anyway. We don't deserve the cash. If we had too much money we'd probably all overdose on coke. You're actually doing us a favour by downloading our stuff. In fact, I encourage you to download our stuff. You can probably find it on Limewire. If I wasn't too busy shagging my groupies in my Ferarri I'd post a link to a torrent where you could download all our stuff.
It's true what they say about P2P being good for promotion. I'd much rather have people know my name than have money for food, because let's face it, being famous is so much cooler than being well nourished. And besides, I make a small fortune from playing live, so I'm too busy getting fucked up on designer drugs and bathing in champagne to worry about.
I also competely agree with the argument that you should pay for the music you can afford and download the rest, because it's not hurting anyone... you wouldn't have bought the music anyway, so they're not losing out. I do the same, just not with music. When I go shopping I pay for the stuff I can afford and steal the rest. Besides, the owner of the shop is probably also a cunt like me, doing coke in his back office and knobbing his secretary.
Long Live Piracy!!!
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I get some cynical vibes from your post but i am not entirely sure.
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***Sideffect***
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 01:29
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On 2006-10-20 13:40, Pavel wrote:
I am with you Rina, in all the cases. Without Internet i'd never buy 90% of my collection.
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voila as it is for everybody,
nothing more to say, statement says it all 
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 03:44
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On 2006-10-20 15:45, Stregone wrote:
We need the possibility to buy every single track going out for 1 dollar
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I think the market should be free, if you want more money for one track its good...
you should set your own value on the track.
A good track is a huge thing
A good album is Mega huge thing...
A good compilation is also a huge thing..
its even better that all this is subjective, which makes it such a wide business
I also must say i have a huge respect for all the music makers out there. you have given me great moments and will probably give me more, and im speaking of
every kind of music maker on this planet, dead or alive(even if all you dead artists cant read this and, but you have inspired others to create new moments for us so you live for ever in a sense)
Great music comes in many forms and shapes, i just want to encourage all artists to work hard and to trust your feelings and learn about life, it will probably reflect in your music.. and dont forget to try new stuff, music is like a endless rabbit hole..
be true to your self and no one can cross your path and claim the opposite.
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koalakube
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 07:28
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On 2006-10-20 14:00, Drunken Monk wrote:
Oh you greedy artists. All of you make tons of money via gigs. U should get a real job and let the music free for all!
Besides, you would not be known if it was not for p2p.
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Greedy but with a reason:our BMWs costs lots to maintain. |
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koalakube
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 07:31
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I think there are other bigger problems than P2P to be worried about in relation of the music scene.
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 13:18
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On 2006-10-20 13:51, TrippyJohnny wrote:
Did all the endless debates here and on other forums the last 4 years or so change anything? nope.
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well, I'll have to disagree... how many on line shops (such as beatport, not psyshop for example) we have today? how many did we have 4 yrs ago?
the endless discussions and more than that, the reality that they reflect, did change the way people buy their music (true, WHEN they buy it...).
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 14:07
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On 2006-10-23 13:18, snowflake wrote:
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On 2006-10-20 13:51, TrippyJohnny wrote:
Did all the endless debates here and on other forums the last 4 years or so change anything? nope.
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well, I'll have to disagree... how many on line shops (such as beatport, not psyshop for example) we have today? how many did we have 4 yrs ago?
the endless discussions and more than that, the reality that they reflect, did change the way people buy their music (true, WHEN they buy it...).
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I was more thinking about the psytrance scene seperated from other music genres simply because it seem that the psytrance community has more illegal downloaders than most other "underground" scenes. Beatport has very little to do with the psytrance. The first real download shop for psy was just recently opened. I like to see their sale numbers. Probably nothing to shout "huraaa" at 
The fact remain that this has been debated over and over again here and illegal downloads and copying has never been higer.
I am the first to applause education to the many downloaders of the effect and reality behind their doings. But sorry if you did a poll here 4 years ago and one today I bet that the poll would look quite similar when it come to how many that download without paying for the downloads.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 14:48
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Basilisk
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 16:21
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On 2006-10-23 14:07, TrippyJohnny wrote:
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I was more thinking about the psytrance scene seperated from other music genres simply because it seem that the psytrance community has more illegal downloaders than most other "underground" scenes. |
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Are you basing that on anything concrete?
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Probably so Beatport and all the other digital download shops have not yet discovered the "long tail" of psytrance... from the perspective of a casual listener, compare the infinite selection of P2P to the very limited offerings of the online retailers... and then throw down the cost of MP3s from the major suppliers. The pricing policy and selection (mostly new releases) may be suitable for the DJs and forum fanatics, but the present situation is not a "better offer" for most psytrance listeners.
The other side of the coin: the psytrance market is not big enough to support everyone who wants to make a living composing psytrance. |
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Freeflow
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Posted : Oct 23, 2006 17:19
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"The other side of the coin: the psytrance market is not big enough to support everyone who wants to make a living composing psytrance."
the amount of psytrance music has been like a explosion.
i dont know how anyone think that they will survive on making one kind of music...
the market is pretty full, but its alot of crap to sort out, the good shit is not that much compared to the bad shit... parten my language, i know taste is divided(subjective) and that nobody wants a quality police...
but as we dont want quality police and want a pouring stream of music we have to live with the crap that goes through the same pipe as the good stuff...
if you do something you believe in im sure there will be other people that share your vision...
i mean people do like crap, just see how good business macdonalds is. just cause its crap dont mean people wont buy it...
some music is not made for the time it lives in. but it will probably get discoverd someday and someone will appreciate it, while other tracks is made in the right moment and will get appreciated straight away...even though i believe that music is timeless, it still has its time in some sort of way..
and this is why internet is so good, cause your music can be there and mature, and someday someone will stumble up on your music and appreciate it and get interested in the creators ideas and search for more..
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Tris
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Posted : Oct 26, 2006 20:36
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I'm wondering....
Some say with the download increasing all the time, there would be more and more labels/company going bankrupt... Less and less artists making music... And so on...
But look at the fact : there are still more than 20/25 releases a week (to much to buy or even listen everything if you don't do that full time...) and new labels all the time.
Who are this people who know full well they won't make money making tracks or selling Cds ?
They can't be all of them stupid ?
Or do they like the music and the trance scene so much they don't care about making profit ? What a bunch of commies...
Or maybe they are just giving the music to the scene, knowing full well there would be more download than real sale ?
Maybe they love to make music and the most important thing for them is to have people listening to them ? And to be known from the scene and have people listening (and maybe get get some gigs on their agenda), they have to release under the form of a CDs ?
Are they around here to answer me ?
Let's face it, people don't want and don't need to buy anymore since they don't need anymore to own a cd (or any other physical support)...
Are they stealing ? Because the copyright system and the music industry say so ?...
(Remember the System also says you have the right to pollute the earth because you paid the big companies for your petrol... But is it true ?)
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